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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 13:02:33 pm » |
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They're entitled to their opinion just like everybody else.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 19:50:21 pm » |
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So was Ron Atkinson
They both should be sacked and vilified exactly as he was. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2011, 20:02:24 pm » |
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Exactamundo. Sexism is probably as wrong as rasicsm and whats happened is exactly the same
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Ted
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 11:41:09 am » |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.Women have no place in football apart from accompanying their male relatives to the game, making the half time cuppa and cleaning the stadium toilets.It's where this country has gone wrong allowing the opposite sex to encroach into the opposite sex' space.I wouldn't be accepTED in my local women's institute, so I wouldn't expect women to be accepTED in male institutions, of which football is one.
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DrillingCobbler
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 12:44:16 pm » |
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Firstly, to compare this with the Big Ron 'N' word example is plain...ridiculous! Sexist they may be in the sense of sexist when it comes to football. And yeah, virtually all women don't understand the offside rule - even at Kids football (I run the line in one of 4 of our games) I have yet to see a lady official in the 5 years I've been involved in kids football. So in other words there are very very few (assuming this area is the 'norm' of course) women getting involved in football (mens game) at grass roots level.
That said, Wendy Toms (I think) refereed a conference game I went to see about 2 years ago and was excellent. And I have little doubt that players are perhaps less inclined to question a woman's decision or to give her abuse. Which to be fair can only be a good thing. Plus every time we've had a female referee assistant at our games they have been their male colleagues equal.
Their views were not made in an official capacity, it was off air and quite frankly they perhaps should be ridiculed but any further punishment should be made on the basis that their stock/popularity costs sky viewers. They both need to lick some arse because they have been made out to be rather prehistoric by holding these views!
I think people should just see this whole episode for what it really is and just laugh at them. Its no different to pub talk, Grays and Key's reputations will now be tarnished and rightly so. Let events take their natural cause on this one, I personally do not think they will be sky sports presenters in 12 months time.
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Power Football
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 13:20:45 pm » |
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Andy Gray's footballing opinions are so out dated it should come as no surprise that his views on women in football are of the same ilk.
As for Richard Keys, the word slimey doesn't begin to describe him, makes a living from just sitting in a studio licking arse. Rumour has it he has to shave the back of his hands to make him more photogenic....
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ArmchairCobbler81
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 14:53:47 pm » |
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I wouldn't call myself sexist, but anyone heard the annoyingly screechy female commentator on football league highlights show? I tend to turn the sound down. Then there's the muppet who reads out the e-mails, don't get me started on her......Grrrrrrrrr....  |
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DrillingCobbler
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 16:06:30 pm » |
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I wouldn't call myself sexist, but anyone heard the annoyingly screechy female commentator on football league highlights show? I tend to turn the sound down. Then there's the muppet who reads out the e-mails, don't get me started on her......Grrrrrrrrr.... You are right, she is a complete tw at!!  |
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Tyro
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 16:21:50 pm » |
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A fair pair of lungs on the aforementioned Lizzie Greenwood Hughes  |
Do you know what "Nemesis" means?
A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent personified in this case by a sex starved voyeur that is Tyro.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 16:25:02 pm » |
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I've been of the opinion that the 'boys club' atmosphere at Sky Sports needs breaking up from a football perspective.
Hopefully this will speed the shake up the channel desperately needs.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 21:45:52 pm » |
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I'm not a fan of women being involved in "mens" football. Women cannot compete against men in a match so why do we have women getting involved in refereeing and running the line? Am I being sexist by wondering why they don't do it for the womens game? I don't doubt that women can run the line and referee matches adequately just don't understand why it has to be in our game.
On another slightly different angle,
My lad (12) plays against a couple of girls in the john henry league and I don't like that either as it is not a level playing field. He wouldn't go in for a hard crunching tackle against a girl. That can't be right and I'm sure he is not alone in being that way.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 21:54:47 pm » |
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gray and keys are monotonously boring with their stating the obvious as if they were the only ones who can read the game and as for the new fangled tecnology, those touch screen wise after the advent bulls*** gray bores those silly enough not to have turned off sooner, total crap! That bird who ran the line at stevenage did a brilliant job I thought  |
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2011, 22:42:06 pm » |
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My lad (12) plays against a couple of girls in the john henry league and I don't like that either as it is not a level playing field. He wouldn't go in for a hard crunching tackle against a girl. That can't be right and I'm sure he is not alone in being that way.
Mixed gender football is not allowed under FA Rules beyond U11 so the girls should not be playing in the same matches as your lad. |
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Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 00:08:11 am » |
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If I remember correctly, this woman Sian Massey ran the line at our Carling Cup match at Portman Road earlier this season. Think she did ok in that game, even providing a welcome distraction from the poor football on offer that night!!
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 08:15:31 am » |
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If I remember correctly, this woman Sian Massey ran the line at our Carling Cup match at Portman Road earlier this season. Think she did ok in that game, even providing a welcome distraction from the poor football on offer that night!!
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Realale
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2011, 08:34:04 am » |
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Loving the people on here who have never made (or thought) a sexist comment in their entire lives - I Don't believe you!
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Who ya gonna call, Scousebusters!!
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2011, 09:20:20 am » |
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"Thought, said or by action" applies to all Equality issues.
However when you are part of a public broadcasting organisation, you have to be very careful of the overblown publicity that an issue such as this causes, as has been shown in this case.
Sexism or Racism - Ron Atkinson said something in a similar situation off camera, was castigated by all and lost his job and many other associated employments.
Gray and Keys said theirs, with Gray having said something similar earlier in a pre broadcast piece. They, I believe, have only been given a 'one match ban' and a reprimand?
Atkinson apologised because he admitted that he was wrong and had been caught.
Keys has apologised because he admits that he was wrong and had been caught.
Gray, at the moment, refuses to apologise?
They were in a private conversation, but you could also say the same for Atkinson, which was not intended for public broadcast.
This needs to be dealt with in a similar fashion to Atkinson's 'slip' or an acknowledgement that Atkinson was dealt with too severely? Or is it completely different?
An issue that is very dependent on subjective opinions that are invariably based on peoples own upbringing and/or environment.
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Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
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