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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2017, 21:18:46 pm »

 

You don't get it do you. If you think Buchanan is poor at crossing the ball then that's a childish view point. If he was that poor he would not have survived as first choice. Surely you can see that! When Adams didn't make the team who did we rely on for left wing back surges? Buchanan will do ok in a 5-3-2

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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2017, 22:01:48 pm »

 

You don't get it do you. If you think Buchanan is poor at crossing the ball then that's a childish view point. If he was that poor he would not have survived as first choice. Surely you can see that! When Adams didn't make the team who did we rely on for left wing back surges? Buchanan will do ok in a 5-3-2

Didn't page play 3-5-2 against Peterborough and Buchanan had a bad game ?.

For me stats don't lie Buchanan is not a quality wing back like allistair slowe. He is not going to get you 20+ assists a season
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« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2017, 23:34:07 pm »

Didn't Matty Taylor use to play left back during the earlier stages of his career? Would solve the crossing problem
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« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2017, 06:41:48 am »

He doesn't have the pace to play there anymore. That said, I thought he was extremely dangerous from there in the one game he played left midfield last season.
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« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2017, 07:15:58 am »

Didn't page play 3-5-2 against Peterborough and Buchanan had a bad game ?.

For me stats don't lie Buchanan is not a quality wing back like allistair slowe. He is not going to get you 20+ assists a season


He played well against Swindon , Charlton and Wimbledon.
20+ assists he is not a tart!
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« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2017, 09:42:28 am »

Didn't Matty Taylor use to play left back during the earlier stages of his career? Would solve the crossing problem
Too slow now and can't defend .
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« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2017, 07:15:08 am »

This may have already been mentioned but this change to 3-5-2 does seem to just be a way of including all three 'first choice' centre backs - I can't imagine that for one minute JED would consider this if we had signed Brady or another young centre back will little experience.

The concern with this system, especially if JED insists on having an attacking midfielder 'in the hole' there will be very limited opportunities in midfield.
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« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2017, 08:26:16 am »

I've played in defences that played four at the back and i've played in defences that played three at the back.
The difference between the two is bigger that you would imagine if you havent played in both before. Its not an easy thing for either the full backs or centre halfs to swap and change. When you get used to playing in one particular system it becomes easy. The mess that was at Peterborough was because Page tried to play a formation that they werent used to. If JED wants to play 3 at the back and he sticks to the systems then I am confident it will work and Buchs will be able to adapt. As a player and as a spectator I prefer 3-5-2 but it does take some time getting used to
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« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2017, 09:53:34 am »

If JED wants to play 3 at the back and he sticks to the systems then I am confident it will work and Buchs will be able to adapt. As a player and as a spectator I prefer 3-5-2 but it does take some time getting used to

Why I like 5-3-2 is that it promises flexibity. With a young and promising player like Pool in the 3 half backs it starts to look quite fluid. In Hockey it was not uncommon to have a back four plus a sweeper. The coach we had was an ex footballer who took up the game after injury.
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« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2017, 09:54:14 am »

I personally like the 3 CB, and Moloney is always our most dangerous threat on the right, if he stays fit he could destroy a few teams down there, also I remember last season Buchs got isolated quite alot and although he is a cracking player got caught out a few times, this would give him cover and also when Wilder was here he always looked a threat going forward. Its the midfield forward combo which will be tough to solve. Crooks will be first choice, I would like to see Foley in there with him and JJOT playing a more advanced role, Rico and one other up top. I think its great to have a big squad as we were sadly lacking in options last season and we have plenty of options now that all bring something different. The only thing that would concern me is 4 CB in the squad and we are using 3, but if the youth team players are good enough then at least 3 at the back would help them along if they were called upon.
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« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2017, 12:45:04 pm »

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/justin-edinburgh/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/16299/plus/1?saison_id=&verein_id=3716&liga=&wettbewerb_id=GB4&trainer_id=

Looks like he used the 3-5-2 system for Newport when they got promoted to the football league, tried it a few times at Gillingham before reverting to four at the back. Maybe he will see sense then if it doesn't work and change it up?
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« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2017, 12:54:18 pm »

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/justin-edinburgh/leistungsdatenDetail/trainer/16299/plus/1?saison_id=&verein_id=3716&liga=&wettbewerb_id=GB4&trainer_id=

Looks like he used the 3-5-2 system for Newport when they got promoted to the football league, tried it a few times at Gillingham before reverting to four at the back. Maybe he will see sense then if it doesn't work and change it up?

You mean yr sense and JE's sense which are two different things. Wolves have adopted 5-3-2 as have Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Bristol City, Bradford,Sc***horpe and Plymouth. If doesn't work JE has already said he will change to 4-4-2 or even 4-3-2-1. Trouble is Richards not up to it for one up front.
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« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2017, 13:23:54 pm »

I said maybe he will see sense if it doesn't work. Nothing to do with what I think.
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2017, 15:59:59 pm »

In my opinion (unequivocally unqualified), JE's problem is not formation, but utilising players in appropriate positions, hence the complete lack of possession on Saturday. Any pace and mobility we had (Waters), was isolated up-front. With Waters in midfield, you may have more success keeping possession by playing pass and move football. If JE takes Bowditch and Taylor out of the equation then he's moving in the right direction. Otherwise you have one player who will be consistently out muscled and another who will be consistently dispossessed in vulnerable positions.
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« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2017, 16:01:55 pm »

I said maybe he will see sense if it doesn't work. Nothing to do with what I think.

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« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2017, 18:22:19 pm »

Bolton got promoted from this league last season playing a similar formation too.

I'm a firm believer that the best formation is the one that gets the best out of your players. So for this formation to work requires JJOT instead of Taylor, Moloney at wing back, and I'm still not convinced about Bowditch.
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« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2017, 18:46:52 pm »

JED obviously likes 3 5 2 ahead of other formations which is fair enough if it works and if it doesn't I hope he's got the common required to change it before a summer full of hope turns into a season full of doom.
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« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2017, 19:24:01 pm »

Bolton got promoted from this league last season playing a similar formation too.

I'm a firm believer that the best formation is the one that gets the best out of your players. So for this formation to work requires JJOT instead of Taylor, Moloney at wing back, and I'm still not convinced about Bowditch.

I might be wrong on this but I think that they played more of a 343 akin to Chelsea and some of the other top teams now play.

In my opinion the difference between this and how JED wants to play it is that there is much more support for the wing backs for 2 reasons.

1) the 2 deeper attacking players often drop wider to support the wing backs without the ball, they form a partnership of sorts.
2) the opposition full backs don't get as much space and can't attack at will due to having 3 attackers plus wing backs to defend against.

If we are going to play 3 centre backs I'd much rather we played this way but I would have concerns it would limit our central midfield a little.

JED seems dead set on playing two up front which is admirable I guess but so few teams play two up front now that you are invariably conceding the spare man in threatening areas of the pitch...either central midfield or on the wings.

I still live in hope it clicks, I really do want to wrong on this
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« Reply #78 on: August 08, 2017, 08:42:13 am »

The wing back issue was brought home on Saturday at Shrewsbury with two specific incidences:
Once in the first half when they were attacking down our left.  Buchs was up in the inside left position, their attack broke down and he was still in the inside left position with only Rico further forward than him having not attempted to get back.  He then got the ball in his unfamiliar advanced position and instead of going forward turned, waited and gave it back to one of the central defenders when it would have been easier to advance.
On the other side, Daniel Powell was regularly caught out too far forward and having to be covered by a centre back.  One of the few times he was in a position to defend was in the 90+ minute where he backed off the winger, failed to close him down properly and allowed the cross along the six yard box that they scored from.
Two examples of players not used to their positions and, for different reasons, failed to carry out the correct/preferred method of play. 
Unfortunately one resulted in the loss of two points!
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« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2017, 11:22:53 am »


 There is nothing wrong with playing defencive football. We got to Wembley twice playing defencive football.
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