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« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2017, 14:05:17 pm »

Page points per game vs Jed?
Page goals scored per game vs Jed?
Page results vs higher placed teams vs JED?
Page results vs lower placed teams bs JED?

All of the above favour Page. Fact!

i didnt mention JED. Why are you bringing him up?

i said:

You were wrong about the fact that we were only heading in one direction under Page.
You were wrong about the fact that we had 'reversed the trend' with a single win (data point) because thats not possible
You were wrong to selct a 7 game sample without any justification other than it was best to fit your pre-determined view point.

Your response has countered none of those points
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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2017, 14:06:13 pm »

What qualifications do you have in the field of statistics?

We were not a tough game for the Scum, regardless of where we finish this season.
Regardless ? Don't follow.
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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2017, 14:09:02 pm »

i didnt mention JED. Why are you bringing him up?

i said:

You were wrong about the fact that we were only heading in one direction under Page.
You were wrong about the fact that we had 'reversed the trend' with a single win (data point) because thats not possible
You were wrong to selct a 7 game sample without any justification other than it was best to fit your pre-determined view point.

Your response has countered none of those points

Look at the 10 games played prior to Page being sacked and where those teams finished last season. Tough run of games, he was unlucky to be sacked, our results got worse after he was sacked to end of the season. Again, all facts.
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2017, 14:10:33 pm »

If you (or anyone) thought I was wrong you'd take the bet. The fact nobody will take the bet speaks volumes.

....or gormless enough to do so!
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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2017, 14:17:13 pm »

....or gormless enough to do so!

Exactly, because I'm right and they just can't work out why I am, it really bothers them.
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« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2017, 14:18:42 pm »

Exactly, because I'm right and they just can't work out why I am, it really bothers them.

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« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2017, 16:04:23 pm »

Look at the 10 games played prior to Page being sacked and where those teams finished last season. Tough run of games, he was unlucky to be sacked, our results got worse after he was sacked to end of the season. Again, all facts.

Humiliated by Posh who finished 11th, humiliated by Rovers who finished 10th and completely outplayed and outclassed by Stourbridge, who finished... several leagues below us.

We were playing terrible, negative football and were only heading in one direction under Page. 90% of the fan base could see it by the end, but you couldn't. The problem with these discussions is that we can never prove the counter-factual.

care to answer the other two times i highlighted that you misused statistics? or will you just keep ignoring them?
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« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2017, 16:23:24 pm »

Humiliated by Posh who finished 11th, humiliated by Rovers who finished 10th and completely outplayed and outclassed by Stourbridge, who finished... several leagues below us.

We were playing terrible, negative football and were only heading in one direction under Page. 90% of the fan base could see it by the end, but you couldn't. The problem with these discussions is that we can never prove the counter-factual.

care to answer the other two times i highlighted that you misused statistics? or will you just keep ignoring them?

10th and 11th is top half right? I.e. One of the better/harder games. You've only mentioned 4 of the 10 league games, any reason you are ignoring Sheff Utdx2, Bradfordx2 and Bolton?

As for negative football, we were still scoring more than the majority of L1 teams at that time, so again, you're factually incorrect.
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« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2017, 16:55:36 pm »

10th and 11th is top half right? I.e. One of the better/harder games. You've only mentioned 4 of the 10 league games, any reason you are ignoring Sheff Utdx2, Bradfordx2 and Bolton?

As for negative football, we were still scoring more than the majority of L1 teams at that time, so again, you're factually incorrect.

and yet southend this weekend, one of the easiest games we will play all season (in your fantasy world) you will be happy with a point
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« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2017, 17:09:26 pm »

Has this now turned into the "Look at me, I told you I was right " thread ?
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« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2017, 17:12:21 pm »

10th and 11th is top half right? I.e. One of the better/harder games. You've only mentioned 4 of the 10 league games, any reason you are ignoring Sheff Utdx2, Bradfordx2 and Bolton?

As for negative football, we were still scoring more than the majority of L1 teams at that time, so again, you're factually incorrect.

Except i never mentioned how many goals we or others were scoring, did I? so how is that factually incorrect exactly?

I picked the games where we were humiliated - 3pts is not the be-all and end-all to some supporters - but i am pretty sure that no-one wants to see us humiliated. We were, several times under Page, he had to go. But again, your methods don't account for the standard of football, every loss is 0Pts and nothing more, nothing less. To a fan of the game, that is not the case.

You have a serious issue - you simply cannot admit when you are wrong, or when others have observations and valid points about downsides or flaws in your methods. Once again you fail to address the original points i highlighted where you were wrong (in your conclusions, or in your methods), choosing to ignore them because you cannot admit that you are wrong or that there may be better ways to analyse things than your own methods.
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« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2017, 17:20:58 pm »

But I'm not wrong am I? And you can't fathom out how this could be possible. I'll keep posting the facts after every game, these will speak for themselves. B1tch and moan about it all you like, some games ARE easier than others. Last season proved that, this season proves that, every season going forward will prove that.
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« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2017, 17:29:26 pm »

But I'm not wrong am I? And you can't fathom out how this could be possible. I'll keep posting the facts after every game, these will speak for themselves. B1tch and moan about it all you like, some games ARE easier than others. Last season proved that, this season proves that, every season going forward will prove that.

You still don't understand what others are saying because you refuse to listen. I have never once disputed that some games are easier than others. I (and others) have merely pointed out the flaws of simply using a teams finishing position in the league to then look back on games and assign them as easy or hard, retrospectively.

I listed three specific cases where you were wrong, and yet you cannot even bring yourself to acknowledge that i have typed them, let alone admit you were wrong. All this despite the fact that i have repeated them more than once. And for this reason alone, i will no longer respond.

I don't think a forum is the correct place for you, you seem to struggle with 2 way debate. Have you considered blogging instead?
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« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2017, 18:20:08 pm »

4 games vs teams in the top half (harder games)0 points
2 games vs teams in the bottom half (easier games) 6 points

I don't need to say any more.
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« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2017, 18:28:53 pm »

I sincerely hope you don't.
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« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2017, 18:45:35 pm »

I'm beginning to think Cobb78 might have a mental problem..
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« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2017, 19:10:10 pm »

He is always right, everybody else is always wrong. That's his simple world.
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« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2017, 19:33:52 pm »

I am assuming that these stats (whatever they are, I can't really work out what is being claimed as he talks in riddles) only apply to the Cobblers?
It is well noted that in the Prem some of the teams get more points against the top 6 and then struggle against the minnows. Usually the likes of Liverpool.
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« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2017, 19:35:32 pm »

I've just read 4 pages of this. My God, why do I do this to myself?
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« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2017, 19:45:21 pm »

Ditto...Totally confused now...1 minute everything is based where teams finish up and then all of a sudden the 1st 6 games of this season are being used...Which is it?
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