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« Reply #920 on: February 05, 2018, 22:59:19 pm »


Although it's been shown that in some previous seasons we've actually fared better against lower opponents (by Buster?) I don't think anyone has ever argued on this thread against the idea that we could and should pick up more points against teams in the lower half or against teams below us.

I know it’s just a slip, but for the benefit of others and to correct your sentence, I demonstrated that we’ve fared better against the teams finishing HIGHER (not lower) than us in previous seasons.  That was on page 6 which begs the question; How on earth has this thread continued for this long?
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« Reply #921 on: February 06, 2018, 08:06:21 am »

Well? Anyone able to provide the current numbers to prove my point? (yet again)
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« Reply #922 on: February 06, 2018, 10:00:13 am »

Well? Anyone able to provide the current numbers to prove my point? (yet again)

C78....

You need to let this go until after the last game of the season as your whole theory depends on knowing where everyone finishes.

If however, you do wish to see how we've fared against teams "in running" you need to do it properly and base our performances against where the opposition were at the time we played them as otherwise your musings are meaningless.

If you could just accept that, in the same way that everyone accepts your basic concept regarding end of season, all would be well
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« Reply #923 on: February 06, 2018, 10:04:41 am »

Well? Anyone able to provide the current numbers to prove my point? (yet again)

And to be fair, it's not up to us to prove your theory. I already did it properly once, you could have easily carried that on. I even gave you the web link. Unless you're worried doing it properly might disprove something (which it probably won't)

We're not great at the moment, we'll most likely do better against teams around or below us as opposed to those well above.

I'm trying to be reasonable about this, you should try to be too
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« Reply #924 on: February 06, 2018, 10:13:30 am »

C78....

You need to let this go until after the last game of the season as your whole theory depends on knowing where everyone finishes.

If however, you do wish to see how we've fared against teams "in running" you need to do it properly and base our performances against where the opposition were at the time we played them as otherwise your musings are meaningless.

If you could just accept that, in the same way that everyone accepts your basic concept regarding end of season, all would be well

I don’t need to to anything mate! Any chance of reminding me of the facts as we currently stand though? No? I thought not.
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« Reply #925 on: February 06, 2018, 10:15:10 am »


We're not great at the moment, we'll most likely do better against teams around or below us as opposed to those well above.


You are correct.
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« Reply #926 on: February 06, 2018, 11:58:57 am »


We're not great at the moment, we'll most likely do better against teams around or below us as opposed to those well above.


Unless they were near the top when we played them, then drop down at the end of the season. Then we won't know what should have actually been an easier games. Bradford are the prime example of a team you would have happily played every week over the past few games. Once they get a new manager maybe not.

Dr Who is quite topical in the news at the moment. What this whole genius theory is missing is a TARDIS.

You see it Rambo, everyone sees it. 78 knows it, he's not stupid and even knows what a # is but you're 40 odd pages in. Even if we end up having more points against the top half at the end of the season, it will be deemed 'unusual' so there is no end point to the debate either way. It'd start again next year and before you know it we'd be on the best of three.

Just have a deep breath and walk away Grin
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« Reply #927 on: February 06, 2018, 14:52:05 pm »

I know it’s just a slip, but for the benefit of others and to correct your sentence, I demonstrated that we’ve fared better against the teams finishing HIGHER (not lower) than us in previous seasons.  That was on page 6 which begs the question; How on earth has this thread continued for this long?
Thanks Buster you are of course correct.
Well done for getting through the banalities of my post and spotting my mistake.

Sideshow Dickie is still arguing with himself I see.  Grin

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« Reply #928 on: February 06, 2018, 15:12:42 pm »

Unbelievable isn't it? I've done my best to be as gracious as possible and agree as far as humanly possible, all in the vain hope there might by just a tiny bit of reciprocity.

I genuinely am retiring from this now - I don't like having such negative thoughts about someone I've never even met but I am at the point now where I think he just needs a good shake!
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« Reply #929 on: February 06, 2018, 15:20:20 pm »



Just have a deep breath and walk away Grin

As if ! '78 flicks out a line and there is a queue to take the bait.
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« Reply #930 on: February 06, 2018, 15:29:39 pm »

Unbelievable isn't it? I've done my best to be as gracious as possible and agree as far as humanly possible, all in the vain hope there might by just a tiny bit of reciprocity.

I genuinely am retiring from this now - I don't like having such negative thoughts about someone I've never even met but I am at the point now where I think he just needs a good shake!
You are a good human being Was, make no mistake.

Actually, I hold a different view.
I don't think this thread should be closed.

I'm looking forward to the evening after we've played our penultimate game of the season when C78 drops the last but one piece into his puzzle and then gives all us his projection and his prediction for season end.
I wonder what the tolerance will be between the two then?
It's something I've been looking forward to with increasing anticipation and I've no doubt will be the highlight of my season.
KVV will have to do something truly special to displace it  Grin

C78, Pssst...there's a new piece of your puzzle to put in right now. Stop kidding around, we know you don't need any help with it.
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« Reply #931 on: February 06, 2018, 21:43:28 pm »


You see it Rambo, everyone sees it. 78 knows it, he's not stupid and even knows what a # is but you're 40 odd pages in. Even if we end up having more points against the top half at the end of the season, it will be deemed 'unusual' so there is no end point to the debate either way. It'd start again next year and before you know it we'd be on the best of three.


Not true, if we get more points at the end of the season vs top half teams than against bottom half then I’ll happily admit that I’m wrong and have been a fool. When this doesn’t happen will you do the same?
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« Reply #932 on: February 07, 2018, 13:51:26 pm »

It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about common sense. I would imagine on average the bottom teams take more points against the lower teams, that’s what makes the table, although there’ll always be exceptions. That’s the beauty and unpredictability of football. The same is probably true of the respective positions at the time when we played them, which would have been far more credible.
Hats off for rinsing this thread within an inch of its life.  Grin
Don’t worry about admitting the fool bit mate regardless....
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« Reply #933 on: February 07, 2018, 16:09:30 pm »

Not true, if we get more points at the end of the season vs top half teams than against bottom half then I’ll happily admit that I’m wrong and have been a fool. When this doesn’t happen will you do the same?

Meh.

I said I wouldn't do this but....

C78, you are either word blind, stupid or just here to wind people up. There are no fools (well.....) We've all agreed that at the end of the season, logically we SHOULD have collected more points against lower placed teams. That is not and never has been a bone of contention. You can let this bit go - really, you can.

I don't subscribe to a simplistic "one game is easier than another" so I'm not even contesting that either.

Please..... PLEASE.... see that where the disagreement lies is in how you are making your projections - you are moving teams positions around after the fact to obtain past performance and using a very raw and simplistic method to predict future results. I think in truth you have realised it is flawed in but are either too proud to admit that there may be a better way to formulate such a projection or you just like being obstinate and fishing for replies.

Either way, it comes across as annoying.

Deja vu x25...

Can you not at least concede this last fact?
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« Reply #934 on: February 07, 2018, 17:53:16 pm »

Meh.

I said I wouldn't do this but....

C78, you are either word blind, stupid or just here to wind people up. There are no fools (well.....) We've all agreed that at the end of the season, logically we SHOULD have collected more points against lower placed teams. That is not and never has been a bone of contention. You can let this bit go - really, you can.

I don't subscribe to a simplistic "one game is easier than another" so I'm not even contesting that either.

Please..... PLEASE.... see that where the disagreement lies is in how you are making your projections - you are moving teams positions around after the fact to obtain past performance and using a very raw and simplistic method to predict future results. I think in truth you have realised it is flawed in but are either too proud to admit that there may be a better way to formulate such a projection or you just like being obstinate and fishing for replies.

Either way, it comes across as annoying.

Deja vu x25...

Can you not at least concede this last fact?

It’s the way I’m doing it mate, if you don’t like it, tough.
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« Reply #935 on: February 07, 2018, 20:42:12 pm »

What would you do if you sat next to a man on the bus and he turned to you and said “the moons made of cheese”. Would you say “how interesting”’and change seats? Or alternatively would you lecture the bloke on physics, geology, NASA and show him pictures of Neil Armstrong etc to the point of obsession until he concedeeds he was wrong? Great fun for everyone else on the bus though?
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« Reply #936 on: February 07, 2018, 23:03:11 pm »

It’s the way I’m doing it mate, if you don’t like it, tough.

Fair enough. You've only got yourself to convince anyway.

Enjoy your cheese....
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« Reply #937 on: February 07, 2018, 23:36:19 pm »

What would you do if you sat next to a man on the bus and he turned to you and said “the moons made of cheese”. Would you say “how interesting”’and change seats? Or alternatively would you lecture the bloke on physics, geology, NASA and show him pictures of Neil Armstrong etc to the point of obsession until he concedeeds he was wrong? Great fun for everyone else on the bus though?

That made me chuckle!
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« Reply #938 on: February 08, 2018, 00:47:53 am »

What would you do if you sat next to a man on the bus and he turned to you and said “the moons made of cheese”. Would you say “how interesting”’and change seats? Or alternatively would you lecture the bloke on physics, geology, NASA and show him pictures of Neil Armstrong etc to the point of obsession until he concedeeds he was wrong? Great fun for everyone else on the bus though?

I’d nod politely and maybe move away from Rambo at the next stop.
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« Reply #939 on: February 08, 2018, 07:02:20 am »

What would you do if you sat next to a man on the bus and he turned to you and said “the moons made of cheese”. Would you say “how interesting”’and change seats? Or alternatively would you lecture the bloke on physics, geology, NASA and show him pictures of Neil Armstrong etc to the point of obsession until he concedeeds he was wrong? Great fun for everyone else on the bus though?

Evers likes the bus. Just saying...

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