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« Reply #1120 on: January 29, 2024, 18:56:00 pm »

I was thinking the exact same thing.  Feels like we only used about 15 players that season, though that's probably just my poor memory.

Like you say there must be reasons for it and it's not like we are the only club that have this issue.

I know JB has mentioned the longer matches i.e. additional time being much longer.  Certainly people are more at risk of injury when fatigued.  I've witnessed that problem even at the low level of coaching I do.

Think there is also aspects of how hard athletes in general are pushed compared to years ago.  Think about how much more work defenders particualrly full backs get through in the modern game.  Also playing RW and LW players that are expected to defend and attack.
This looks a quite interesting.

https://barcainnovationhub.fcbarcelona.com/blog/do-footballers-get-injured-more-now-than-before/
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« Reply #1121 on: January 29, 2024, 18:57:26 pm »

Theres always at least five players out injured, including the close season. The problems accumulated during training, or signing already injured players, are of Bradys own making. Dont get me wrong, I am a fan of Brady, and what he has achieved. BUT he has to look at his record for signing injury prone players, and the training methods employed. And then be honest about the nature of these injuries. Until such time, these sort of posts will continue. Taxi for Hylton?
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« Reply #1122 on: January 29, 2024, 19:47:52 pm »

JB said on Saturday that none of the injured players would be back before the end of the month - then he clarified that as the end of Feb!!
These are not niggles and short term injuries that most clubs have to manage! Surely having a 1/3rd of your squad out for months at a time is not normal!?
I don’t buy this competitive advantage bollox - I think they owe us supporters the decency of telling us the truth! We’re not asking for who is going to be available to face Portsmouth on Saturday - we just want to know how many weeks each of the crocked players are likely to be out for!
Big fan of JB but this is not the way to do it!
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« Reply #1123 on: January 29, 2024, 19:55:18 pm »

I was thinking the same about 86/87, how many games did players miss through injury that season? The difference between 30 years ago or so and now seems to be huge, there has to be a reason for it.
It's a totally different game now. You have to be athletic to make it as a footballer now, you didn't then.
Fitness then was making it through the games, not reaching a level of athletism so as to eek out the small differences between you and your opponents the sports scientists are so obsessed with.
Carthorses don't bust as many fetlocks as thoroughbreds.
Plus of course it's no longer a man's game.
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« Reply #1124 on: January 29, 2024, 21:04:16 pm »


Hmmm. So if I've read that right there aren't more injuries now than before.  Who's going to tell JB?

Perhaps Sports Science has made everyone too aware of what could happen that we don't take risks anymore.  Lets's face it back in the day they were giving players cortisone injections and the like just to get them on the pitch.  Probably worked in the short term but had long lasting effects.
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« Reply #1125 on: January 29, 2024, 21:28:27 pm »

It's a totally different game now. You have to be athletic to make it as a footballer now, you didn't then.
Fitness then was making it through the games, not reaching a level of athletism so as to eek out the small differences between you and your opponents the sports scientists are so obsessed with.
Carthorses don't bust as many fetlocks as thoroughbreds.
Plus of course it's no longer a man's game.
Must be something like that, the link I put up suggests there aren’t, but I’m not convinced.
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« Reply #1126 on: January 29, 2024, 21:52:16 pm »


That article makes you think, especially with injuries supposedly on the decline.Yet some of our major Clubs in the Premier League seem to be experiencing plenty of injuries. These are clubs with first class training facilities and remedial treatment. Oxford a week or two ago also had many players out with injury issues.
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« Reply #1127 on: January 29, 2024, 22:11:07 pm »

Something is wrong in football, look at Rugby, those guys smash into each other deliberately, I don't think many of us could stand to be tackled by Courtney Lawes. Yes, they have injuries, as you'd expect but it never seems to affect teams like it does in football.

As for the Villa (and Cobblers) teams mentioned, funny how when you're winning players don't seem to shy off like they do when you've nothing to play for or getting beat every week. Some of these players just don't fancy it (like Hylton) and if you're getting paid anyway, why would they? Does Hylton get a bonus when the team wins or is that only the players that enter the field?
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« Reply #1128 on: January 29, 2024, 22:59:23 pm »

Theres always at least five players out injured, including the close season. The problems accumulated during training, or signing already injured players, are of Bradys own making. Dont get me wrong, I am a fan of Brady, and what he has achieved. BUT he has to look at his record for signing injury prone players, and the training methods employed. And then be honest about the nature of these injuries. Until such time, these sort of posts will continue. Taxi for Hylton?

It seems to me that the problem is signing players who have or had background of injury issues. McW is easy to diagnose as he has been injury prone for some time. Not sure about Sowerby; but Hylton, Magloire and Fox are worthy of an investigation. The problem is we have to take chances with potential injury prone players due to the lack of sufficient funds which bigger clubs seem to have at their disposal. We take a risk with such players and if it pays off, then hats off all round. Of course another issue since our promotion to League One is the general glamour for players we simply cannot afford; both wages and fee. All this under the disguise of progress, accumulate, speculate and all from people with a wish that this done by those with the dough, but not [oh no] with their funds! It would be a terrible mistake to lampoon Brady for the apparent failure to sign players to ensure a push for the playoffs. For me that is the mantra of egoistic 'fans' of whom we have one or two!
So in summary Saucy we are victims of our success this season and the question is now how we manage it!
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« Reply #1129 on: January 30, 2024, 04:23:54 am »

Something is wrong in football, look at Rugby, those guys smash into each other deliberately, I don't think many of us could stand to be tackled by Courtney Lawes. Yes, they have injuries, as you'd expect but it never seems to affect teams like it does in football.

As for the Villa (and Cobblers) teams mentioned, funny how when you're winning players don't seem to shy off like they do when you've nothing to play for or getting beat every week. Some of these players just don't fancy it (like Hylton) and if you're getting paid anyway, why would they? Does Hylton get a bonus when the team wins or is that only the players that enter the field?
Rugby has the same problem with too many injuries, that is why they are looking at fewer substitutes, the thinking being players have bulked up to last just 55 minutes.
If they have to last 80 minutes they need to be lighter to last all the match and not be able to hit so hard.
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« Reply #1130 on: January 30, 2024, 07:46:00 am »

Rugby has the same problem with too many injuries, that is why they are looking at fewer substitutes, the thinking being players have bulked up to last just 55 minutes.
If they have to last 80 minutes they need to be lighter to last all the match and not be able to hit so hard.

Well that's just good planning, utilising the squad and adapting to the rules. The difference as I can see it as the players coming on are equal in standard to those being substituted.
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« Reply #1131 on: January 30, 2024, 07:49:44 am »

I All this under the disguise of progress, accumulate, speculate and all from people with a wish that this done by those with the dough, but not [oh no] with their funds!

What you never seem to address is that if the club bought a player like, oh I don't know, Charlie Goode and then they sold him for more money to say, oh I don't know, Brentford, the club get to keep the profit. How is an individual with less money supposed to invest in the club with a chance of a return? The reason we ask them to speculate as it it they that have the chance to accumulate.
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« Reply #1132 on: January 30, 2024, 09:02:00 am »

Well that's just good planning, utilising the squad and adapting to the rules. The difference as I can see it as the players coming on are equal in standard to those being substituted.
The flawed model with rugby is squads need at least 30+ players and the lack of revenue has resulted in 3 so called top clubs failing!
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« Reply #1133 on: January 30, 2024, 09:20:42 am »

Their Seasons Prior to Signing for us: (the figure in brackets is appearances and/or in the match squad which means that although 'fit', they didn't get on the field of play)
Tyler Magloire - 20/21 (29), 21/22 (27)
Aaron McGowan - 19/20 (29), 20/21 (41)
Jack Sowerby - 18/19 (45), 19/20 (34)
Sam Sherring - 20/21 (45), 21/22 (37)
Ben Fox - 20/21 (23), 21/22 (38)
Danny Hylton - 20/21 (31), 21/22 (31)
Ali Koiki - 20/21 (19)
Shaun McWilliams - One of our own
Akin Odimayo - 20/21 (37), 21/22 (53)

They all played a significant amount of games in the season(s) prior to joining us and most of these have since played a full season for us prior to their latest injuries.
It's very difficult to forecast when players will have their major injury setbacks, or niggly little ones, that have the potential to 'end their careers'. Most footballers have at least one during their careers'.

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« Reply #1134 on: January 30, 2024, 09:45:08 am »

I think it is fair to say that if McGowan is missing for the Portsmouth game we will have half of what would be our first choice 11 missing. Guthrie would be partnered by Sherring and I think 2 of McGowan, Odimayo and Koiki would be the full backs, McWilliams and Sowerby would join Leonard in midfield allowing Pinnock to be on the flanks with Hoskins and Bowie down the middle. With the team we are likely to put out I am not confident of our chances.

If we are not getting players back in February we are in for a tough month (barring any incomings) as we have Portsmouth followed by Bolton and we have lost 6 of our 7 games against teams in the top 6, then Orient who are on a good run of form. After these it is Bristol Rovers and Oxford neither of which are ever easy concluding with the lowest placed team Burton in this months fixtures. Fortunately we already have 40 points in the bag as we may not get too many next month and certainly a mighty task to get 2 points per game for those thinking we still have a chance of the play offs. I don't think this view is being overly downbeat but realistic in our present situation.
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« Reply #1135 on: January 30, 2024, 09:56:19 am »

What you never seem to address is that if the club bought a player like, oh I don't know, Charlie Goode and then they sold him for more money to say, oh I don't know, Brentford, the club get to keep the profit. How is an individual with less money supposed to invest in the club with a chance of a return? The reason we ask them to speculate as it it they that have the chance to accumulate.

Since he left us, Charlie Goode has played/on the bench as follows:
23/24 (7)
22/23 (4)
21/22 (20)
20/21 (27)
The two seasons with us:
19/20 (45)
18/19 (47) first half of the season with Scunny
Did Brentford make a mistake with 'injury prone' Charlie Goode?
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« Reply #1136 on: January 30, 2024, 10:14:38 am »

Since he left us, Charlie Goode has played/on the bench as follows:
23/24 (7)
22/23 (4)
21/22 (20)
20/21 (27)
The two seasons with us:
19/20 (45)
18/19 (47) first half of the season with Scunny
Did Brentford make a mistake with 'injury prone' Charlie Goode?


Or has he not been playing regular first team football which means his body struggles when jump back into the first team fold (when on loan). ie. they've made him more injury prone by starving game time.
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« Reply #1137 on: January 30, 2024, 10:52:26 am »

Or has he not been playing regular first team football which means his body struggles when jump back into the first team fold (when on loan). ie. they've made him more injury prone by starving game time.

Possibly, it just shows that forecasting and/managing injury is not an exact science.
Just something to think about when people are commenting/criticising JB and the Cobblers physio and medical department. Wink
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« Reply #1138 on: January 30, 2024, 11:43:52 am »

Their Seasons Prior to Signing for us: (the figure in brackets is appearances and/or in the match squad which means that although 'fit', they didn't get on the field of play)
Tyler Magloire - 20/21 (29), 21/22 (27)
Aaron McGowan - 19/20 (29), 20/21 (41)
Jack Sowerby - 18/19 (45), 19/20 (34)
Sam Sherring - 20/21 (45), 21/22 (37)
Ben Fox - 20/21 (23), 21/22 (38)
Danny Hylton - 20/21 (31), 21/22 (31)
Ali Koiki - 20/21 (19)
Shaun McWilliams - One of our own
Akin Odimayo - 20/21 (37), 21/22 (53)

They all played a significant amount of games in the season(s) prior to joining us and most of these have since played a full season for us prior to their latest injuries.
It's very difficult to forecast when players will have their major injury setbacks, or niggly little ones, that have the potential to 'end their careers'. Most footballers have at least one during their careers'.


That's quite interesting. All played a lot more games than I would have assumed.
So perhaps it really is something to do with the clubs approach to conditioning fitness and training.
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« Reply #1139 on: January 30, 2024, 12:50:56 pm »

What you never seem to address is that if the club bought a player like, oh I don't know, Charlie Goode and then they sold him for more money to say, oh I don't know, Brentford, the club get to keep the profit. How is an individual with less money supposed to invest in the club with a chance of a return? The reason we ask them to speculate as it it they that have the chance to accumulate.

Your logic seems to be based on 'Cart before the Horse'. To take these opportunities , that is take a punt on a promising player we will need an owner who has sufficient funds to embark on these type of financial adventures. The current Board have supported and co operated with Jon Brady this season pretty well.  The simple answer is that for 90% of our history we have lacked that kind of owner(s,) so where we are lucky is that we have a Manager in JB who understands the prevailing monetary situation with the Club and by astute Management has gained a place in the top ten! This is very similar to the type of situation experienced by Dave Bowen back in the 60's. Furthermore it seems to me that possibly we might be on the cusp of a meteoric rise through the divisions as in the past. JB has proved to be an exceptional Manager, so if we give him the chance and with some patience we might well be in the Championship by season 26/27.       
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