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« Reply #200 on: February 27, 2019, 17:14:50 pm »

Donít shoot the messenger ....
Best ask the person serving the pasta !

How do you find these things out if you don't mind me asking? Not very professional of the pasta server if you ask me (if true, of course).
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« Reply #201 on: February 27, 2019, 20:42:13 pm »

Donít shoot the messenger ....
Best ask the person serving the pasta !
Will do. His pasta is always very good. My favourite in the town.
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« Reply #202 on: February 27, 2019, 20:59:41 pm »

On the Wellingborough Rd?
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« Reply #203 on: February 27, 2019, 21:53:00 pm »

On the Wellingborough Rd?
Can't say. Want to make sure I can get a table.
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« Reply #204 on: February 27, 2019, 22:15:50 pm »

The numpties rambling on about how Joe has been treated need to catch themselves on...

He is on a two year contract...
He is nowhere near good enough for this level...
He scored a few goals at semi pro level in the 7th tier...
Nobody above the 7th tier have pursued him in either a loan or permanent capacity...
We are honouring his contract until the end of the season...
We have allowed him to go out on loan again to try and attract some interest for his next move...

What would people rather we did... Cut up his contract stopping his source of incoming in a hope that another club will come knocking on his door?
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« Reply #205 on: February 27, 2019, 22:20:49 pm »

So why is it Keith Curle's fault? I think we've had a few managers before him that also didn't play Joe for whatever reason. The days when you could play a goalscorer who offers little else (Paul Culpin) are gone, just like the days when goalkeepers were judged on saving the ball instead of how good they are at kicking it.


Paul Culpin was one of my favourite strikers. Knew how to score and loved a pint. His goal against Fulham in 1988 is my favourite Cobblers goal of all time. A Marco Van Basten style volley past big Jim Stannard!
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« Reply #206 on: February 28, 2019, 08:14:43 am »

How do you find these things out if you don't mind me asking? Not very professional of the pasta server if you ask me (if true, of course).

Yes it is in complete contempt of the pasta-server oath he would have sworn in the golden kitchen.
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« Reply #207 on: February 28, 2019, 08:26:20 am »

Curle has said he will not hand out first team opportunities to the club's star youth team for the "sake of it" should we retain our league status. It wouldn't be for the sake of it, however, because he would be giving opportunities to assets of the football club. Ones that could potentially be at the football club a lot longer than he will given the shelf life of managers. Ones that are very good value in terms of wages.

What he's missing is that scouts from higher leagues may see things in our youth players that he doesn't and he is effectively keeping them out of the shop window.

Instead he talks about his favoured senior players and "potential watching suitors", whether this means selling players who have flattered to deceive this term for a profit or simply shifting them off the payroll is hard to determine but any interested parties will have had 3 quarters of season to frame any interest.

Down at Exeter the youth team are mixed with first the first team in training and they have made massive profits on young players that may easily have not seen the light of day elsewhere. Is there something in the water in Devon which makes their kids better than ours? No they are just coached and managed better in becoming successful senior pros.

The serious injury to Sean Whaler may show the potential downside to sending players down into the depths of non-league, there were some very naughty tackles in that Banbury game with the club complaining about the leniency of the refereeing.

Regarding Joe he has one very important thing in his favour and that is being a goal-scorer, notch a couple in League 2 even tap in and your value increased almost with each goal. You can say no-one from higher up came in for him (probably with no facts to back it up) but in reality why would someone from the Conference North come in for a player that has not been given the benefit of minutes at League 2 level?

Again it boils down to the problematic setup of a manager with a potentially short shelf life trying to impose his way of doing things onto a football club. It's like us ordering a 5 course meal in a restaurant we may have to leave in 10 minutes.



 



 
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« Reply #208 on: February 28, 2019, 09:11:46 am »

Curle has said he will not hand out first team opportunities to the club's star youth team for the "sake of it" should we retain our league status. It wouldn't be for the sake of it, however, because he would be giving opportunities to assets of the football club. Ones that could potentially be at the football club a lot longer than he will given the shelf life of managers. Ones that are very good value in terms of wages.

What he's missing is that scouts from higher leagues may see things in our youth players that he doesn't and he is effectively keeping them out of the shop window.

Instead he talks about his favoured senior players and "potential watching suitors", whether this means selling players who have flattered to deceive this term for a profit or simply shifting them off the payroll is hard to determine but any interested parties will have had 3 quarters of season to frame any interest.

Down at Exeter the youth team are mixed with first the first team in training and they have made massive profits on young players that may easily have not seen the light of day elsewhere. Is there something in the water down in Devon which makes their kids better than ours? No they are just coached and managed better in becoming successful senior pros.

The serious injury to Sean Whaler may show the potential downside to sending players down into the depths of non-league, there were some very naughty tackles in that Banbury game with the club complaining about the leniency of the refereeing.

Regarding Joe he has one very important thing in his favour and that is being a goal-scorer, notch a couple in League 2 even tap in and your value increased almost with each goal. You can say no-one from higher up came in for him (probably with no facts to back it up) but in reality why would someone from the Conference North come in for a player that has not been given the benefit of minutes at League 2 level?

Again it boils down to the problematic setup of a manager with a potentially short shelf life trying to impose his way of doing things onto a football club. It's like us ordering a 5 course meal in a restaurant we may have to leave in 10 minutes.
 

Some good points, unfortunately until we are in aposition where the club is looking to the long term and not just survival then we will always be in that position. What I would like to see is something along the lines of the Exeter set up where the Youth and first team train together and everyone at the club has the same goal in mind, not just short term success but a long term model for the club going forward. We need owners and a management team that can see progression right through from a young age to established first team players here and not somewhere else. This is why I think the trust looking at various models of ownership is a good thing as we can look at a long term vision for the club. I would love to see a management team come in and be here for a lot of years, similar to what Dario Grady did at Crewe but to do that we need everyone on board and not just worried about 1 season of success.
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« Reply #209 on: February 28, 2019, 09:46:37 am »

Some good points, unfortunately until we are in aposition where the club is looking to the long term and not just survival then we will always be in that position. What I would like to see is something along the lines of the Exeter set up where the Youth and first team train together and everyone at the club has the same goal in mind, not just short term success but a long term model for the club going forward. We need owners and a management team that can see progression right through from a young age to established first team players here and not somewhere else. This is why I think the trust looking at various models of ownership is a good thing as we can look at a long term vision for the club. I would love to see a management team come in and be here for a lot of years, similar to what Dario Grady did at Crewe but to do that we need everyone on board and not just worried about 1 season of success.


Yep agreed and fwiw Crewe operate Category 2 academy on one of the lowest budgets and that is something to look at too. They realise that it is a worthwhile investment because they consistently grow players rather than scrabbling around every year for them like we do.
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« Reply #210 on: February 28, 2019, 10:29:11 am »

Curle has said he will not hand out first team opportunities to the club's star youth team for the "sake of it" should we retain our league status. It wouldn't be for the sake of it, however, because he would be giving opportunities to assets of the football club. Ones that could potentially be at the football club a lot longer than he will given the shelf life of managers. Ones that are very good value in terms of wages.

What he's missing is that scouts from higher leagues may see things in our youth players that he doesn't and he is effectively keeping them out of the shop window.

Instead he talks about his favoured senior players and "potential watching suitors", whether this means selling players who have flattered to deceive this term for a profit or simply shifting them off the payroll is hard to determine but any interested parties will have had 3 quarters of season to frame any interest.

Down at Exeter the youth team are mixed with first the first team in training and they have made massive profits on young players that may easily have not seen the light of day elsewhere. Is there something in the water in Devon which makes their kids better than ours? No they are just coached and managed better in becoming successful senior pros.

The serious injury to Sean Whaler may show the potential downside to sending players down into the depths of non-league, there were some very naughty tackles in that Banbury game with the club complaining about the leniency of the refereeing.

Regarding Joe he has one very important thing in his favour and that is being a goal-scorer, notch a couple in League 2 even tap in and your value increased almost with each goal. You can say no-one from higher up came in for him (probably with no facts to back it up) but in reality why would someone from the Conference North come in for a player that has not been given the benefit of minutes at League 2 level?

Again it boils down to the problematic setup of a manager with a potentially short shelf life trying to impose his way of doing things onto a football club. It's like us ordering a 5 course meal in a restaurant we may have to leave in 10 minutes.


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« Reply #211 on: February 28, 2019, 10:40:31 am »

Yep agreed and fwiw Crewe operate Category 2 academy on one of the lowest budgets and that is something to look at too. They realise that it is a worthwhile investment because they consistently grow players rather than scrabbling around every year for them like we do.

how many big names have crewe developed in recent years?
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« Reply #212 on: February 28, 2019, 11:19:00 am »

how many big names have crewe developed in recent years?

Didn't Nick Powell go to Man Utd for around £4M a few years ago ?
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« Reply #213 on: February 28, 2019, 11:42:14 am »

Didn't Nick Powell go to Man Utd for around £4M a few years ago ?

so is the answer 1?

in 7 years

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« Reply #214 on: February 28, 2019, 11:56:27 am »

Can't say. Want to make sure I can get a table.

I don't need a table so can say. YES.
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« Reply #215 on: February 28, 2019, 12:27:32 pm »

so is the answer 1?

in 7 years



There's about 20 clubs with Category 2. Crewe are just an interesting example in our league. £4million is not to be sniffed at but it's not just about developing players to sell it's about developing players to play for your football club. Players that give a toss. Worth a look.
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« Reply #216 on: February 28, 2019, 12:31:31 pm »

how many big names have crewe developed in recent years?


They have not had the number of big name transfers over the past few years but now the bulk of their squad is "home grown", indeed they have fielded entirely home grown teams for games in the last couple of seasons.

Their most recent "money" transfers out were Max Clayton to Bolton and Ryan Colclough to Wigan.
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« Reply #217 on: February 28, 2019, 13:35:14 pm »

They have not had the number of big name transfers over the past few years but now the bulk of their squad is "home grown", indeed they have fielded entirely home grown teams for games in the last couple of seasons.

and is this a successful model?

they dont seem to be any better off than us?
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« Reply #218 on: February 28, 2019, 14:16:40 pm »

and is this a successful model?

they dont seem to be any better off than us?


Noone said it's something to follow zealously. Nick the best bits? Absolutely.
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« Reply #219 on: February 28, 2019, 14:30:22 pm »

Noone said it's something to follow zealously. Nick the best bits? Absolutely.

I know your heart is in the right place, and no one is saying that everything is perfect - far from it donít get me wrong - but what are you hoping to achieve by chipping away constantly at KT and KC on here? I know the meeting is in a couple of weeks but even if that ďgoes wellĒ I donít think itís going to bring about the kind of swift revolution that you are after anytime soon. We can be shown all of the models you like but at the end of the day itís going to come down to cash - where is the money to buy KT and DB out going to come from (in fact knowing how much they are asking for would be a start), if some kind of community ownership was to somehow take over where is the money to rebuild the east stand and upgrade facilities going to come from, pay off KC (I assume thatís what youíre after), provide a competitive transfer kitty for the new man, revamp the youth system, upgrade training facilities etc?
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