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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2017, 02:13:51 am »

Why does Jimmy,
pull everyone back for corners,
not mark the opposition when they have a throw,
play the midfield so deep?

These are some of the questions I hear at Sixfields on matchday. But on Tuesday everyone will have the chance to ask the man himself when he attends the Trust Open Forum, in Carrs Bar at 8.00

The Trust AGM will take place at 7.30 with the Open Forum following at 8.00. This evening is open to all fans and entry is free.



PS. If anyone wants to return their Trust New Years Raffle stubbs and cash they can do so on Tuesday, saving on postage.
genuine question with no agenda, why would some believe the opposite is correct (not saying that it’s not)?
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 07:40:09 am »

Why doesn’t anyone sing nice one jerel nice one son,nice one jerel let’s have another one, to him when we score??

Oh hang on.
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2017, 08:25:13 am »

It's generally considered the best way to defend corners and ironically can be a more attacking tactic. Statistics show that the more players in the box the harder it is to score which is why they like to pack the penalty area when defending corners. It also sucks up the opponents defenders giving more space for a potential breakaway. You would be more likely to leave a player up the pitch if you want him to hold up play if it gets to him. There's very little likelihood of him actually scoring a goal on his own.

Do you have a link to these statistics?

I disagree that it sucks up defenders, because the oppostion will tend to leave the two fullbacks on the half way line regardless of whether we leave any up or not. We should be able to leave one up and still have a man advantage in the box.

Whilst it may be better to pack the box with bodies to deal with the corner itself. I would hazard a guess that these statistics you speak of don't consider the wider consequences of conceding goals from the second phase of a corner when we have cleared the ball, given possession back the opposition and allowed them to come straight back at us. In my mind, that is just asking for trouble.

Its not just about counter-attacking with the aim of scoring either, its about clearing the danger in a way that prevents it coming back straight away. That may just involve the Holding striker holding the ball whilst his team mates re-position following the clearance and give us the chance to build something from that.
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2017, 09:19:13 am »

pulling everyone back at corners isn't the reason we aren't scoring goals.
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2017, 12:29:27 pm »

pulling everyone back at corners isn't the reason we aren't scoring goals.

Did anyone say it was?
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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2017, 12:35:03 pm »

Do you have a link to these statistics?

I disagree that it sucks up defenders, because the oppostion will tend to leave the two fullbacks on the half way line regardless of whether we leave any up or not. We should be able to leave one up and still have a man advantage in the box.

Whilst it may be better to pack the box with bodies to deal with the corner itself. I would hazard a guess that these statistics you speak of don't consider the wider consequences of conceding goals from the second phase of a corner when we have cleared the ball, given possession back the opposition and allowed them to come straight back at us. In my mind, that is just asking for trouble.

Its not just about counter-attacking with the aim of scoring either, its about clearing the danger in a way that prevents it coming back straight away. That may just involve the Holding striker holding the ball whilst his team mates re-position following the clearance and give us the chance to build something from that.

Here's an article about corners
click for corners
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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2017, 12:49:13 pm »

Here's an article about corners
click for corners


 
Fell asleep reading it! Full of left wing rhetoric!


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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2017, 13:26:42 pm »

Here's an article about corners
click for corners


Interesting article, Alton, thanks.

The 3% conversion rate is indeed low, but my original question still stands, what does that 3% include? If a defender clears the corner with a header, but it goes to the opposition who scores from the edge of the box, is that 'Scoring from a corner?' what if there is a further pass before the goal is scored? What if gets cleared to the half way line first before the second wave results in a goal? all of those scenarios are more likely when poorly defending corners (imo not having an outlet) but i am not convinced they are included in the 3% conversion rate quoted.
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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2017, 16:20:06 pm »


 
Fell asleep reading it! Full of left wing rhetoric!



Did you simply see it was fom the guardian, figure out that you wouldn't understand what some of the big words meant and so thought you'd just come back on here and post some more of your usual shyte?
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2017, 17:00:14 pm »

Also , why is the fashion now, from kick offs to lob the ball halfway into the oppositions half by the byline ? Is it some sort of positional thing?
It never seems to work , as the ball is either to long or the attacker wins the heads and heads it into touch.
Oh to keep possession and try and draw the opposition out.
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« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2017, 17:44:02 pm »

Also , why is the fashion now, from kick offs to lob the ball halfway into the oppositions half by the byline ? Is it some sort of positional thing?
It never seems to work , as the ball is either to long or the attacker wins the heads and heads it into touch.
Oh to keep possession and try and draw the opposition out.

You're right at the beginning, it's a positional thing. The idea is that it gives the full back a decision to make... Head it into touch for an opposition throw in a relatively dangerous place, or head it across the pitch back into play (fight for the '2nd ball'). Boothroyd was particularly keen on this kick off method.
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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2017, 18:51:12 pm »


 
Fell asleep reading it! Full of left wing rhetoric!



What a ridiculous comment! So because it's the Guardian, you give a flippant comment! If it was being wry...use your beloved emojis!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2017, 19:25:19 pm »

You're right at the beginning, it's a positional thing. The idea is that it gives the full back a decision to make... Head it into touch for an opposition throw in a relatively dangerous place, or head it across the pitch back into play (fight for the '2nd ball'). Boothroyd was particularly keen on this kick off method.

It’d make more sense to play it back to allow the pacey wingers to bomb up the pitch in anticipation of the opening attack......insert punchline.

JFH’s first game in charge was an early one from the left.
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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2017, 20:05:54 pm »

Did you simply see it was fom the guardian, figure out that you wouldn't understand what some of the big words meant and so thought you'd just come back on here and post some more of your usual shyte?

I thought it was long winded...... My daughter works for the Guardian !  I like good left wingers Roll Eyes
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2017, 08:24:48 am »

Interesting article, Alton, thanks.

The 3% conversion rate is indeed low, but my original question still stands, what does that 3% include? If a defender clears the corner with a header, but it goes to the opposition who scores from the edge of the box, is that 'Scoring from a corner?' what if there is a further pass before the goal is scored? What if gets cleared to the half way line first before the second wave results in a goal? all of those scenarios are more likely when poorly defending corners (imo not having an outlet) but i am not convinced they are included in the 3% conversion rate quoted.
Didnt we nearly go a whole season without scoring a goal resulting from a corner?
Quite a few times  we conceived a goal from our own corner kicks😂
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2017, 19:43:42 pm »

For JFH to say that we would be 15th if the season started when he joined is a pathetic statement and that worries me .
Also , why does he insist we create chances ?
I think we create very few and have done for a while .
Quite a lot of BS being talked .
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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2017, 21:05:31 pm »

For JFH to say that we would be 15th if the season started when he joined is a pathetic statement and that worries me .

I haven't bothered to work it out. Is this factually incorrect then?
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2017, 21:28:03 pm »

I haven't bothered to work it out. Is this factually incorrect then?
Why bother saying it ?
It’s as if he is justifying his existence .
I like JFH generally but he does come out with some rubbish at times
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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2017, 22:21:03 pm »


I like JFH generally but he does come out with some rubbish at times

He is not alone in that is he especially on here - me included. My impression of JFH is that he trying very hard to progress the club; for instance he feels that NTFC has far greater potential than Burton. Burton had a better platform to build on (more stable than ours) and consequently achieved rapid promotions. No specific clues on Jan signings mentioning respect to current players. But clearly there will be some.
On the booing at the Bury game, it was generally agreed it was by a minority (maybe uncaring ignorant few; my words). JFH understood the reasons for the booing, but did not condone it. His latter comments on this were telling; the players he assured us tried their best on the day. He was at a loss to explain the Plymouth defeat. He says for the players who have tried their best and then get booed has an adverse effect on the player. Not good.  We are all in this together and we must remain together. He can see a light at the end of the tunnel. He was very pro player(s) after the Bury game and thought the side played well and should have been ahead by half time. He is clearly protecting the players (confidence) and rightly so. If we start to boo the team it starts to undo the work he has begun. I agree with JFH on this as in all the years I have watched the Cobblers have never joined or even wished to join in the booing lot. He stressed to any player who failed to take a goal scoring chance that's fine , don't worry next time take the chance. In other words he is encouraging the player to be in a position to score and be there again next time - repeat as necessary! He stated he knows his best team format but has to adjust team selection to availability and who we are playing!

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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2017, 22:57:32 pm »

I thought it was long winded...... My daughter works for the Guardian !  I like good left wingers Roll Eyes

I don't think delivering a few copies on her round constitutes working for the guardian. Tongue
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