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« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2017, 01:09:02 am »

Was in car on way back so didn't hear JFH interview (instead a CW interview on radio Sheffield, how refreshing that was), but too right he got team selection wrong.
Foley had a good game on Sat on RHS so Jim moves him to LHS. Smith I thought did alright on Sat (and did actually put two decent crosses in before being withdrawn), but doesn't even get on today.
I also thought jfh had stumbled upon a solution on Sat with Toole coming from deep to support Long, it looked promising to me, but what does he do today? Play Toole further back and start Richards.
And as for the substitutions... JJ did go over on his ankle just before being withdrawn but did seem to run it off, so if Hoskins and Hanley for Toole and Long were purely tactical as was leaving Richards on, words fail me.
The time to judge Jimmy is after a window?.. I don't think so, he needs judging now.

All that is quite correct ; I too am losing patience with JFH. To me that was a shocking display and we were fortunate it was only 3-0. JFH now has to pick another side for the 30th Roll Eyes The side picked today was certainly not playing for the manager. No longer sure if he is capable of selecting a side on a regular basis, let alone bringing in new players.
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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2017, 03:06:17 am »

I'm 99% players can't be signed on 1st Jan as it's a public holiday and the FA/EFL offices are closed.
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« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2017, 04:46:43 am »

At some stage we have to stick with a manager. To keep changing does not work so we have to give him the chance of bringing in the type of player he requires. It might be painful in the short term but we have to give him the opportunity.
Yesterday was awful though!

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« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2017, 05:07:41 am »

At least the cricket is a worth just getting up for.......................Cook just got his first 50 of the tour!
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« Reply #84 on: December 27, 2017, 09:09:21 am »

At some stage we have to stick with a manager. To keep changing does not work so we have to give him the chance of bringing in the type of player he requires. It might be painful in the short term but we have to give him the opportunity.
Yesterday was awful though!



Agreed, also, yesterday's changes may have party been down to playing 3 games in a week.  McGuigan still isn't fully fit so probably needed the rest and JFH would want him fresh for Wigan.  Feel sorry for Smith however and think he was unlucky to be dropped.  People may have criticised his crossing on Saturday, but I watched the Leicester Man Utd game that evening and believe me, the majority of those ''Premier League' crosses were no better. 
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« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2017, 10:58:39 am »

Where was Crooks? I thought he was only suspended for one game?
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« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2017, 11:03:31 am »

Two games
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« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2017, 11:54:07 am »

That game yesterday was so bad I almost miss rob Page as manager.

I feel for Jimmy inheriting this dog turd of a squad however I've lost my patience with him as a manager (I'm not calling for his head despite this)

Yes he has more personality than JED and Page combined but his tactics and selections are causing more of our problems than the inept players.

He cost us the game yesterday before it started, to say we came away from it annoyed is a slight understatement.

The fact the fans were singing 'what the F***ing hell is this' part way through the second half shows the level of discontent at ALL involved at the moment.
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« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2017, 12:24:55 pm »

I didn't go yesterday so cannot comment on the game specifically so just a few observations.

1. Rico. By bringing in the old war horse to accommodate a 4-4-2 formation, it compromised the overall quality and balance of the team as a whole. A deeper laying McGugan is scarified, natural width (Foley on the right, Smith on the left) are replaced by more centrally suited players and players being played out of position.
2. Cornell. Dropping him after Saturday is playing the short game, something JFH seems to have in his DNA. Its something most failed or failing managers have. Trying to pick their best X1 on paper without factoring in team spirit and the dressing room moral as a whole. If a player is picked it should be his shirt to lose, END OF. Most regular readers on here will know I don't rate Cornell not bit and have been highly critical of him on more than one occasion (!!) BUT the boy played a blinder on Saturday and should have kept his place. If he'd had a mare, so be it. He then gets dropped for the following game. But over a 46 game season, its better to have a squad of players content with their managers team selections than factions within the group feeling that they are just being 'used' as a last resort. That causes rifts, bad feelings etc.
3. Poole. Send him back. Im sorry but he doesn't bring anything to the party, he doesn't excel in any particular area and he's not likely to positively contribute in a relegation dog fight. And he's certainly not big enough, commanding enough or quick enough to play as a centre back in this division at this point in time. We will concede lots of goals with him in the defence.
4. Foley on the left. Now that was just plain stupid. Not on a par with playing Revell on the wing but not far off!
5. Subs. Taking off your talisman in addition to your top scorer when you are 2-0 down, even if they are playing poorly, is agin just plain daft. Their replacements straight way made us weaker, when it happened I said we'd lose 4 or 5-0. The 3rd quickly followed and by all accounts it should and could have easily been far worse.

JFH basically had an absolute nightmare yesterday BUT fair play to him for admitting he made mistakes. That was the only positive that came out of yesterday.

In summary, the only formation our current squad can cope with is 4-3-3/4-5-1. Anything else is handing 3 points straight away to the opposition. We don't have the players to play a wing back formation, our full backs are far better than any wing backs we have. And our centre backs (Taylor aside) are not our strong point. Our midfield is where we have options and we need to stick to picking 5 of them. Up front, other than Long we don't have a single forward who will score regularly. So just pick Long until that situation is resolved. Forget the opposition, we don't have the flexibility to pick and choose dependent on opponents perceived weaknesses. We have to play to our own strengths and leave it at that.
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« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2017, 12:39:21 pm »


In summary, the only formation our current squad can cope with is 4-3-3/4-5-1. Anything else is handing 3 points straight away to the opposition. We don't have the players to play a wing back formation, our full backs are far better than any wing backs we have. And our centre backs (Taylor aside) are not our strong point. Our midfield is where we have options and we need to stick to picking 5 of them. Up front, other than Long we don't have a single forward who will score regularly. So just pick Long until that situation is resolved. Forget the opposition, we don't have the flexibility to pick and choose dependent on opponents perceived weaknesses. We have to play to our own strengths and leave it at that.

I've been saying for weeks that we should play a system to accommodate our million and one midfield players, but it's a bit late now because hopefully things will be resolved very soon and we can get some players in to turn our season around. Here's hoping.   
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« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2017, 12:48:12 pm »


In summary, the only formation our current squad can cope with is 4-3-3/4-5-1. Anything else is handing 3 points straight away to the opposition.

This.

I think JFH's starting point yesterday was 'I have to rest McGugan, he's played too many games in quick succession'. Unfortunately, in making this [probably correct] decision to rest him he decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater and tinker with the closest we've had to a successful formula this season.

What he should have done, IMO, is kept the 4-5-1/4-3-3 by bringing in Waters or even Bowditch for McGugan and keeping Smith in on the left to provide some high pressing/pace.

JFH needs to stop the tinkering, find a successful system and stick to it. January reinforcements will improve us, but ultimately his decision making needs to be a lot more consistent if we're going to stay up.

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« Reply #91 on: December 27, 2017, 16:20:58 pm »

I didn't go yesterday so cannot comment on the game specifically so just a few observations.

1. Rico. By bringing in the old war horse to accommodate a 4-4-2 formation, it compromised the overall quality and balance of the team as a whole. A deeper laying McGugan is scarified, natural width (Foley on the right, Smith on the left) are replaced by more centrally suited players and players being played out of position.
2. Cornell. Dropping him after Saturday is playing the short game, something JFH seems to have in his DNA. Its something most failed or failing managers have. Trying to pick their best X1 on paper without factoring in team spirit and the dressing room moral as a whole. If a player is picked it should be his shirt to lose, END OF. Most regular readers on here will know I don't rate Cornell not bit and have been highly critical of him on more than one occasion (!!) BUT the boy played a blinder on Saturday and should have kept his place. If he'd had a mare, so be it. He then gets dropped for the following game. But over a 46 game season, its better to have a squad of players content with their managers team selections than factions within the group feeling that they are just being 'used' as a last resort. That causes rifts, bad feelings etc.
3. Poole. Send him back. Im sorry but he doesn't bring anything to the party, he doesn't excel in any particular area and he's not likely to positively contribute in a relegation dog fight. And he's certainly not big enough, commanding enough or quick enough to play as a centre back in this division at this point in time. We will concede lots of goals with him in the defence.
4. Foley on the left. Now that was just plain stupid. Not on a par with playing Revell on the wing but not far off!
5. Subs. Taking off your talisman in addition to your top scorer when you are 2-0 down, even if they are playing poorly, is agin just plain daft. Their replacements straight way made us weaker, when it happened I said we'd lose 4 or 5-0. The 3rd quickly followed and by all accounts it should and could have easily been far worse.

JFH basically had an absolute nightmare yesterday BUT fair play to him for admitting he made mistakes. That was the only positive that came out of yesterday.

In summary, the only formation our current squad can cope with is 4-3-3/4-5-1. Anything else is handing 3 points straight away to the opposition. We don't have the players to play a wing back formation, our full backs are far better than any wing backs we have. And our centre backs (Taylor aside) are not our strong point. Our midfield is where we have options and we need to stick to picking 5 of them. Up front, other than Long we don't have a single forward who will score regularly. So just pick Long until that situation is resolved. Forget the opposition, we don't have the flexibility to pick and choose dependent on opponents perceived weaknesses. We have to play to our own strengths and leave it at that.

Excellent post Drilling. Agree 100%. First criticism I've seen of Poole in central defence, but I agree. He's better as a defensive midfielder but that's not wht we need! Gets caught out of position too often and not phsical enough for a CB.
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« Reply #92 on: December 27, 2017, 16:37:36 pm »

I would agree with most of the posting.

My main disagreement was the comment re JJ. Far from taking him off too early I question whether he should have played at all. He was hobbling after only a couple of minutes. I just hope that it's just soreness and he is not out for a while.

I am fully in agreement re Poole. He is no centre back at the moment. Too small and not strong enough. You can see why Man Utd see him as a defensive midfielder.

Why we reverted to 442 is a mystery. It hasn't worked all season. I am retry sure that as soon as the newcsigningings come in we will go 3 centre backs and wing backs.
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« Reply #93 on: December 27, 2017, 17:02:22 pm »

we played 4-4-2 at home to portsmouth when we beat them 3-1.

it worked that day.

when was the last time we scored 3..............................
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« Reply #94 on: December 27, 2017, 17:42:43 pm »

we played 4-4-2 at home to portsmouth when we beat them 3-1.

it worked that day.

when was the last time we scored 3..............................


erm....then!! Unless you include the 3-3 Chuckletrade game with Southampton juniors!!
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« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2017, 19:36:11 pm »

Ive been paying to watch the Cobblers for over 40 years, forget the transfer window it wont make any difference as hes one of the worst managers weve ever had!!

Likewise and agree completely - whilst everyone can see the squad is far from ideal, JFHs general inability to manage or use solid consistent tactics to avoid heavy defeats is obvious - give him money in January and you will simply reproduce the Howard Wilkinson effect - clearly he wont be sacked any time soon so the very likely conclusion is relegation or at best a last game survival drama
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« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2017, 20:20:10 pm »

or at best a last game survival drama
I think that this is likely. I was ejected from Leeds, for responding to the abuse from the w@nkers to our left, from the Windmill pub, displaying a "Kingsthorpe Whites" flag.
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