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« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2018, 22:04:38 pm »

What are you talking about you horrible little troll - do you even read the posts properly before you post your holier than thou judgemental drivel. I was only commenting on what your darling Caroline mentioned in the post match interview and as others have suggested it looks like she has completely mixed up howson with Hanson.
Firstly Caroline is not my darling!; secondly you are too quick pass judgement yourself?  So quick you hardly have time to think what you are actually composing. What did you think of the game?
 
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« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2018, 22:13:00 pm »

Firstly Caroline is not my darling!; secondly you are too quick pass judgement yourself?  So quick you hardly have time to think what you are actually composing. What did you think of the game?
 

That’s my point, you don’t take time to read posts before you fire out your rhetoric. In my first post after the game I made it clear that the effort of the players couldn’t be faulted but the quality in the final third wasn’t there, especially from set pieces which is the overwhelming consensus on here - why is that so hard for you to understand? And then you moaned at what I said about Caroline obviously mixing up Jonny howson and James Hanson in her interview which is something that a number of posters have since backed up.
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« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2018, 01:58:21 am »

No Dr. Feelgood again then. Part timer!
Naturally I will take full responsibility..
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« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2018, 07:03:29 am »

Whilst I think we played alright against the league leaders, and were perhaps a tad unfortunate to lose (a draw would have seemed fair) - a big part of me thinks that because Wigan scored so early they just pressed the game management button, didn't need to take risks/bomb forward etc. Basically an initial attacking intent became a priority to contain. I wonder what would have happened if they'd nicked a 2nd goal, which they easily could have done amongst our handful of chances? We obviously will never know but what we do know is that we lost 1-0 and didn't force their keeper into one meaningful save once they had taken the league.

Smiths getting some flack but I thought he did ok, first 20 minutes aside. He *may well have contributed to their goal, not sure where the marker for their Wigan was! That said, there were 3 of their players queuing up to head in the cross so all round poor defending from the team. Same old…

Now I've said this before, I do not get this love in with Grimes. Id have played him on the wing months ago, where he used to play for Exeter (and excelled). A central midfielder he certainly isn't. His passing is atrocious, his set piece delivery is terrible (even allowing for them being 'risky ones') and he doesn't physically compete. Id be looking to end his loan tomorrow if its a possibility. Same as Poole….

I could understand the Crooks sub, he was a red card waiting to happen. And it was a toss up between him and Grimes who was the worse player. Didn't get the McWilliams one though. Fair play for switching Foley and Powell after 20 minutes, it improved us. Proactive management from the bench for once!

We will know on Saturday if we stand a chance of staying in this league. Lets see what Jimmy's 'name' brings to the party!

Switching Foley with Powell proactive? Why play him on the left in the first place. After playing well on the right against Walsall and Blackburn he then plays him on the left against Doncaster. That didn’t work so he then gets dropped!! Some of his “tactical decisions” are overthinking at best and players must wonder if he knows what he’s doing. A lot on here think January will save our season I don’t see it, hope I’m wrong
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« Reply #104 on: January 02, 2018, 07:05:39 am »

We huffed and puffed but Wigan never had to get out of 2nd gear to beat us. They just "managed" the game to its inevitable conclusion, and at no point did we look like scoring.
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« Reply #105 on: January 02, 2018, 07:49:17 am »

It's quite sad that the fact we huffed and puffed is a bit of an improvement.

We didn't have many chances at all which is why the awful set pieces from Grimes were so frustrating. I really like him as a player but he had an absolute mare yesterday, as well as his awful corners and free kicks he was pushed / bullied off the ball frequently, expected far too much time and kept going far too deep. Was crying out to be subbed but lasted the 90.
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« Reply #106 on: January 02, 2018, 08:12:29 am »

A New Year and Everbrite still having a snipe at fellow fans.
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« Reply #107 on: January 02, 2018, 08:45:39 am »

No player , except possibly McWilliams scored more than 6/10 yesterday .
Most were 5/10 .
Very rarely , if at all, has either Grimes , McGugan , Crooks , Long or Foley won us a game with a fantastic performance . These players come with big reputations and get paid top dollar . They should’ve scoring 8/10 regularly .
Some folk seem quite happy we only lost 1.0 to Wigan . They were there for the taking in this game and we were nowhere near good enough to do so .
Jimmy is not doing a good job in my view and we don’t look like staying up .
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« Reply #108 on: January 02, 2018, 08:53:35 am »

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« Reply #109 on: January 02, 2018, 09:00:37 am »

I do think that the ref is getting off very lightly, he was absolutely shocking. How come the Wigan guy who pulled back Powell didn't get a booking, even their assistant manage agreed it was a booking. Also the ref seemed total oblivious to the Wigan time wasting, I know all teams do it, but it's up to the ref to sort it out, yesterdays ref never even looked at the keeper doing every trick in the book.
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« Reply #110 on: January 02, 2018, 09:10:07 am »

I do think that the ref is getting off very lightly, he was absolutely shocking. How come the Wigan guy who pulled back Powell didn't get a booking, even their assistant manage agreed it was a booking. Also the ref seemed total oblivious to the Wigan time wasting, I know all teams do it, but it's up to the ref to sort it out, yesterdays ref never even looked at the keeper doing every trick in the book.

I normally try and take the claret tinted specs off and cut the refs a bit of slack (especially as the guy I sit next to each game seems to only go to moan about the ref) but I agree that he was awful...and awfully inconsistent... yesterday. What is and isn't a booking in that guys head I have no idea. However his performance in no way cost us a result.

I do have a little chuckle to myself at games when our fans get upset at opposition 'keepers timewasting, we lapped it up when Adam Smith was at it, he is probably the best (worst?) I've ever seen at the art of timewasting. He got the odd booking but got away with it most of the time.
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« Reply #111 on: January 02, 2018, 09:43:40 am »

I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle. JFH needs to stop playing JJOT further forward, fine he may win some flick ons but he is not generally a goal threat from open play, the vast majority of his goals from us have been headed goals from set pieces. He is much more effective as a centre midfielder who can break up and link play.

Also I am not against Buchs being dropped. We had the worst defence of the teams in the 92 this calendar year, of which he has probably started every league game so I am fine with Smith having a run. Also Buchs tends to just chip the ball over the opposition RB which generally results in the ball being given away, at least Smith was looking for a pass to feet.

Agree though that we didnt threaten at all. We barely huffed or puffed, we had a lot of opportunity to get shots away on the edge of the box and we didnt pull the trigger for whatever reason. I dont know why we persist in the same substitutions also. Hoskins and Rico coming on is so predictable. Waters might not be good enough for this level but he scored 15 in league 2 last year (probably more that Hoskins has scored in his career to date) so to be left on the bench all the time makes no sense.

I am desperately hoping for lots of new faces out wide and up front in the coming week, but fear its too little too late (especially as I am not sold on JFH).
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« Reply #112 on: January 02, 2018, 09:58:35 am »

I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle. JFH needs to stop playing JJOT further forward, fine he may win some flick ons but he is not generally a goal threat from open play, the vast majority of his goals from us have been headed goals from set pieces. He is much more effective as a centre midfielder who can break up and link play.

Also I am not against Buchs being dropped. We had the worst defence of the teams in the 92 this calendar year, of which he has probably started every league game so I am fine with Smith having a run. Also Buchs tends to just chip the ball over the opposition RB which generally results in the ball being given away, at least Smith was looking for a pass to feet.

Agree though that we didnt threaten at all. We barely huffed or puffed, we had a lot of opportunity to get shots away on the edge of the box and we didnt pull the trigger for whatever reason. I dont know why we persist in the same substitutions also. Hoskins and Rico coming on is so predictable. Waters might not be good enough for this level but he scored 15 in league 2 last year (probably more that Hoskins has scored in his career to date) so to be left on the bench all the time makes no sense.

I am desperately hoping for lots of new faces out wide and up front in the coming week, but fear its too little too late (especially as I am not sold on JFH).
Good post and I agree with all that you are saying.
JJOT is a holding player and I think he is a better player than Grimes in that position .
I’d like to see JJOT and McWilliams winning ball and grimes playing further forward .
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« Reply #113 on: January 02, 2018, 10:03:25 am »

I felt have felt a little sorry for Grimes during his time here. He has played with a ton of different partners in midfield, and has had players out wide to aim for who are not wingers. You can see he is clearly talented (although his set piece delivery was terrible) I think he would benefit massively from playing with John Joe and Mcwilliams in the middle.

Grimes has come in for a lot of unfair criticism of late, not about some of his crossing admittedly. He never hides, always wants the ball and tries to keep our game moving. If you took him out of our game this season we’d be as good as relegated already. He’s on a season long loan in a team with a losing attitude yet he’s up for  it every game when he possibly have more right than others to think ah feck it.
I’m not saying he has been great for us I just think there are so many more players ahead of him in the to be criticised list.
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« Reply #114 on: January 02, 2018, 10:05:55 am »

I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?
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« Reply #115 on: January 02, 2018, 10:11:36 am »

Was the defending free kicks in a row across our six yard line a result of the Pemberton effect?
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« Reply #116 on: January 02, 2018, 10:15:59 am »

I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?
And maybe Crooks needs to start dictating games in the way that he can .
Soft pedalling at the minute
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« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2018, 10:17:46 am »

I thought it telling yesterday that Hasselbaink totally ignored Crookes when he was substituted while thanking/congratulating the others substituted. Maybe Hasslebainks man management skills are in need of looking at?

That happens quite regularly with the subs now.
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« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2018, 10:35:34 am »

Grimes has come in for a lot of unfair criticism of late, not about some of his crossing admittedly. He never hides, always wants the ball and tries to keep our game moving. If you took him out of our game this season we’d be as good as relegated already. He’s on a season long loan in a team with a losing attitude yet he’s up for  it every game when he possibly have more right than others to think ah feck it.
I’m not saying he has been great for us I just think there are so many more players ahead of him in the to be criticised list.

He is a quality player there is no doubt about that but his set piece delivery yesterday was awful and warrants the 'criticism' of them.
It's also great that he always wants the ball but more often than not it results in him being far too deep when he picks it up, we need his range of passing further upfield.

I haven't heard a lot of criticism directed at him for most of the season, has there been a lot of it?
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« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2018, 10:41:44 am »

And maybe Crooks needs to start dictating games in the way that he can .
Soft pedalling at the minute

In his defence I really don’t think his most effective position is as a winger.
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