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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 19:38:54 pm »

Can anyone be bothered to work this out, itís will be quite time consuming with the timings of subs and goals. As if to prove what we already know, JJOT was +2 yesterday in a one goal win. John-Joe plays, we do better than when he doesnít.

This tweet from James Heneghan goes part was to proving the above.

Doing a quick bit of statting.
#NTFC's record when O'Toole starts this season: P11 W6 D2 L3 (win % 55)
#NTFC's record when O'Toole doesn't start: P24 W2 D7 L15 (win % Cool

For all the talk of new signings, keeping him fit is a must.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 22:22:26 pm »

This tweet from James Heneghan goes part was to proving the above.

Doing a quick bit of statting.
#NTFC's record when O'Toole starts this season: P11 W6 D2 L3 (win % 55)
#NTFC's record when O'Toole doesn't start: P24 W2 D7 L15 (win % Cool

For all the talk of new signings, keeping him fit is a must.
We touched on this a couple of weeks ago didnít we 78? Genuine question because I am not clever enough to work it out, which is easier? 1. Points gained in a game against a side in the bottom half of the table without JJ in the side. 2. Points gained in a game against a side in the top half of the table if JJ is playing?
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2018, 22:25:08 pm »

We touched on this a couple of weeks ago didnít we 78? Genuine question because I am not clever enough to work it out, which is easier? 1. Points gained in a game against a side in the bottom half of the table without JJ in the side. 2. Points gained in a game against a side in the top half of the table if JJ is playing?

Statistically the bottom half game is easier, however, this JJOT anomaly might even things up, but of a grey area this.
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2018, 22:36:25 pm »

Statistically the bottom half game is easier, however, this JJOT anomaly might even things up, but of a grey area this.
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2018, 22:39:37 pm »

Statistically the bottom half game is easier, however, this JJOT anomaly might even things up, but of a grey area this.
It occurred to me that if JJ in the side against teams in the top half was statistically more advantageous, then that factor would potentially ring true for other sides as well? Therefore in our case an easier game against us is dictated by whether JJ plays and not our position in the table? Not saying it is, just thought it was a valid point?
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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2018, 22:50:20 pm »

It occurred to me that if JJ in the side against teams in the top half was statistically more advantageous, then that factor would potentially ring true for other sides as well? Therefore in our case an easier game against us is dictated by whether JJ plays and not our position in the table? Not saying it is, just thought it was a valid point?

No, sorry, itís not a valid point.
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 01:37:33 am »

No, sorry, itís not a valid point.
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 09:45:52 am »

It occurred to me that if JJ in the side against teams in the top half was statistically more advantageous, then that factor would potentially ring true for other sides as well? Therefore in our case an easier game against us is dictated by whether JJ plays and not our position in the table? Not saying it is, just thought it was a valid point?

Maybe JJ really is a No. 10 type midfielder after all as well...
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2018, 10:27:16 am »

Maybe JJ really is a No. 10 type midfielder after all as well...

Seems to do well, as do we, when he plays alongside Long...
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2018, 10:45:41 am »

Seems to do well, as do we, when he plays alongside Long...
Credit has to go to both JFH and John Joe because every time another manager has tried to play him in that role it hasnít worked. Most people think JJOT is a holding midfield player .
The stats speak for themselves , as do his performances .
He really is the talisman of this team and everything lifts around him.
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 10:46:28 am »

Seems to do well, as do we, when he plays alongside Long...

This is because Long canít/wonít challenge for the ball in the air, he needs to play alongside someone who does.
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 11:40:42 am »

Credit has to go to both JFH and John Joe because every time another manager has tried to play him in that role it hasnít worked. Most people think JJOT is a holding midfield player .
The stats speak for themselves , as do his performances .
He really is the talisman of this team and everything lifts around him.

Agreed. A goal and an assist (plus no bookings!).

I reckon this hasn't worked previously due to us having Richards as our main striker and their playing styles may have clashed?
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2018, 11:57:39 am »

JJ is being utilised in that position simply because we don't have any other 'bully' to link up the attack with the midfield. Which is whats needed when Long is playing at the top of the tree.

JJ's presence there also ensures that the quality of the oppositions balls out from defence are lower, which in turn helps the less combative midfielders to break up play. Defending from the front and all thatÖ

Take JJ out of the team and we become a disjointed, unbalanced side and the lack of pace becomes far more noticeable. JFH is clearly trying to bring pace back into the team across the board but that will take time as he integrates the new signings into the starting line up.
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2018, 14:01:01 pm »

Even if JJ isn't having the best of games he is such a pain for the opposition his influence on the game will always be there.

He's pretty close to becoming my favourite Cobblers player ever.
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2018, 13:11:51 pm »

The following stats apply only to league games

All statistics based on the players contribution on the pitch either starting the game or as substitute.

  Best Overall Performers (min 5 equiv. games)
Player Minutes Equiv Goals Goals Nett Nett gls/
Played Games Scored Conceded Goals 90 mins
O'Toole 1001 11 16 14 2 +0.18
Hoskins 738 8 12 11 1 +0.12
Long 1848 21 26 32 -6 -0.29
Powell 1137 13 11 17 -6 -0.47
Crooks 1674 19 19 30 -11 -0.59
McWilliams 696 8 6 11 -5 -0.65
Ingram 1800 20 17 30 -13 -0.65
A.Taylor 2656 30 27 48 -21 -0.71
Pierre 1602 18 15 28 -13 -0.73
Poole 1546 17 13 28 -15 -0.87
Buchanan 2340 26 23 46 -23 -0.88
Foley 967 11 12 22 -10 -0.93
Revell 909 10 9 19 -10 -0.99
Moloney 1936 22 17 39 -22 -1.02
Waters 928 10 7 20 -13 -1.26
Cornell 540 6 5 13 -8 -1.33
McGugan 670 7 6 17 -11 -1.48
Bowditch 471 5 1 9 -8 -1.53
Barnett 665 7 5 17 -12 -1.62
Richards 709 8 1 17 -16 -2.03


  Best Overall Performers (5 equiv. games or less )
  Player Minutes Equiv Goals Goals Nett Nett gls/
Played Games Scored Conceded Goals 90 mins
Facey 360 4 8 4 4 +1.00
O'Donnell 270 3 5 3 2 +0.67
Turnbull 270 3 5 3 2 +0.67
Bunney 173 2 3 2 1 +0.52
Pereira 61 1 1 1 0 +0.00
Ariyidi 24 0 0 0 0 +0.00
M.Taylor 64 1 0 0 0 +0.00
Smith 388 4 3 5 -2 -0.46
Kasim 370 4 4 6 -2 -0.49
Hanley 231 3 0 4 -4 -1.56
Phillips 87 1 0 2 -2 -2.07
Coddington 90 1 1 4 -3 -3.00
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2018, 13:14:29 pm »

The following stats apply only to league games

All statistics based on the players contribution on the pitch either starting the game or as substitute.

  Best Overall Performers (min 5 equiv. games)
Player Minutes Equiv Goals Goals Nett Nett gls/
Played Games Scored Conceded Goals 90 mins
O'Toole 1001 11 16 14 2 +0.18
Hoskins 738 8 12 11 1 +0.12
Long 1848 21 26 32 -6 -0.29
Powell 1137 13 11 17 -6 -0.47
Crooks 1674 19 19 30 -11 -0.59
McWilliams 696 8 6 11 -5 -0.65
Ingram 1800 20 17 30 -13 -0.65
A.Taylor 2656 30 27 48 -21 -0.71
Pierre 1602 18 15 28 -13 -0.73
Poole 1546 17 13 28 -15 -0.87
Buchanan 2340 26 23 46 -23 -0.88
Foley 967 11 12 22 -10 -0.93
Revell 909 10 9 19 -10 -0.99
Moloney 1936 22 17 39 -22 -1.02
Waters 928 10 7 20 -13 -1.26
Cornell 540 6 5 13 -8 -1.33
McGugan 670 7 6 17 -11 -1.48
Bowditch 471 5 1 9 -8 -1.53
Barnett 665 7 5 17 -12 -1.62
Richards 709 8 1 17 -16 -2.03


  Best Overall Performers (5 equiv. games or less )
  Player Minutes Equiv Goals Goals Nett Nett gls/
Played Games Scored Conceded Goals 90 mins
Facey 360 4 8 4 4 +1.00
O'Donnell 270 3 5 3 2 +0.67
Turnbull 270 3 5 3 2 +0.67
Bunney 173 2 3 2 1 +0.52
Pereira 61 1 1 1 0 +0.00
Ariyidi 24 0 0 0 0 +0.00
M.Taylor 64 1 0 0 0 +0.00
Smith 388 4 3 5 -2 -0.46
Kasim 370 4 4 6 -2 -0.49
Hanley 231 3 0 4 -4 -1.56
Phillips 87 1 0 2 -2 -2.07
Coddington 90 1 1 4 -3 -3.00


Excellent work. Look how close all those at the bottom are to our current starting 11
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 13:51:20 pm »

With all the chat of stats and facts, the more interesting thread has fallen under the radar. These really are great stats and shows why the players were released.
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 14:17:57 pm »

Interesting to see Hoskins so high in that table, especially given how often he is derided on here. Is he more important to us than he gets credit for, lucky that his games have largely coincided with JJOTs or is he an anomaly?
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 14:23:54 pm »

Interesting to see Hoskins so high in that table, especially given how often he is derided on here. Is he more important to us than he gets credit for, lucky that his games have largely coincided with JJOTs or is he an anomaly?
Must be in some kind of symbiotic relationship with the Toole I think. Definitely not the second MVP for us imo.
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2018, 14:30:04 pm »

Must be in some kind of symbiotic relationship with the Toole I think. Definitely not the second MVP for us imo.

Generally agree with you. I do think he has some value, just not in the traditional winger sense. He does put a shift in and is usually pretty diligent at helping out his full back. I also reckon over the last few games with him and Foley wide the teams we have played have shut his side down a lot more, while giving a bit more space to Foley, probably thinking they can get back at him due to his lack of pace. I thought it was noticeable against southend that Hoskins got more space when Berto came on.

I don't think he is a winger though, his best position is behind the striker imo. Obviously he is behind O'Toole for that role but I wouldn't mind seeing him play behind Van Veen with O'Toole deeper in some games.
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