Cobbler78
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 18:38:54 pm » |
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Can anyone be bothered to work this out, it’s will be quite time consuming with the timings of subs and goals. As if to prove what we already know, JJOT was +2 yesterday in a one goal win. John-Joe plays, we do better than when he doesn’t.
This tweet from James Heneghan goes part was to proving the above. Doing a quick bit of statting. #NTFC's record when O'Toole starts this season: P11 W6 D2 L3 (win % 55) #NTFC's record when O'Toole doesn't start: P24 W2 D7 L15 (win % For all the talk of new signings, keeping him fit is a must.
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guest3114
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 21:22:26 pm » |
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This tweet from James Heneghan goes part was to proving the above. Doing a quick bit of statting. #NTFC's record when O'Toole starts this season: P11 W6 D2 L3 (win % 55) #NTFC's record when O'Toole doesn't start: P24 W2 D7 L15 (win % For all the talk of new signings, keeping him fit is a must. We touched on this a couple of weeks ago didn’t we 78? Genuine question because I am not clever enough to work it out, which is easier? 1. Points gained in a game against a side in the bottom half of the table without JJ in the side. 2. Points gained in a game against a side in the top half of the table if JJ is playing?
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Cobbler78
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2018, 21:25:08 pm » |
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We touched on this a couple of weeks ago didn’t we 78? Genuine question because I am not clever enough to work it out, which is easier? 1. Points gained in a game against a side in the bottom half of the table without JJ in the side. 2. Points gained in a game against a side in the top half of the table if JJ is playing?
Statistically the bottom half game is easier, however, this JJOT anomaly might even things up, but of a grey area this.
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southofthecounty
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2018, 21:36:25 pm » |
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Statistically the bottom half game is easier, however, this JJOT anomaly might even things up, but of a grey area this.
Mornington Crescent! (Do I win?)
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guest3114
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2018, 21:39:37 pm » |
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Statistically the bottom half game is easier, however, this JJOT anomaly might even things up, but of a grey area this.
It occurred to me that if JJ in the side against teams in the top half was statistically more advantageous, then that factor would potentially ring true for other sides as well? Therefore in our case an easier game against us is dictated by whether JJ plays and not our position in the table? Not saying it is, just thought it was a valid point?
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Cobbler78
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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2018, 21:50:20 pm » |
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It occurred to me that if JJ in the side against teams in the top half was statistically more advantageous, then that factor would potentially ring true for other sides as well? Therefore in our case an easier game against us is dictated by whether JJ plays and not our position in the table? Not saying it is, just thought it was a valid point?
No, sorry, it’s not a valid point.
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guest3114
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 00:37:33 am » |
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No, sorry, it’s not a valid point.
ok, my mistake!
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Wolvo
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 08:45:52 am » |
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It occurred to me that if JJ in the side against teams in the top half was statistically more advantageous, then that factor would potentially ring true for other sides as well? Therefore in our case an easier game against us is dictated by whether JJ plays and not our position in the table? Not saying it is, just thought it was a valid point?
Maybe JJ really is a No. 10 type midfielder after all as well...
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Deepcut Cobbler
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2018, 09:27:16 am » |
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Maybe JJ really is a No. 10 type midfielder after all as well...
Seems to do well, as do we, when he plays alongside Long...
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guest2995
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2018, 09:45:41 am » |
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Seems to do well, as do we, when he plays alongside Long...
Credit has to go to both JFH and John Joe because every time another manager has tried to play him in that role it hasn’t worked. Most people think JJOT is a holding midfield player . The stats speak for themselves , as do his performances . He really is the talisman of this team and everything lifts around him.
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Cobbler78
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 09:46:28 am » |
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Seems to do well, as do we, when he plays alongside Long...
This is because Long can’t/won’t challenge for the ball in the air, he needs to play alongside someone who does.
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Wolvo
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 10:40:42 am » |
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Credit has to go to both JFH and John Joe because every time another manager has tried to play him in that role it hasn’t worked. Most people think JJOT is a holding midfield player . The stats speak for themselves , as do his performances . He really is the talisman of this team and everything lifts around him.
Agreed. A goal and an assist (plus no bookings!). I reckon this hasn't worked previously due to us having Richards as our main striker and their playing styles may have clashed?
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DrillingCobbler
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2018, 10:57:39 am » |
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JJ is being utilised in that position simply because we don't have any other 'bully' to link up the attack with the midfield. Which is whats needed when Long is playing at the top of the tree.
JJ's presence there also ensures that the quality of the oppositions balls out from defence are lower, which in turn helps the less combative midfielders to break up play. Defending from the front and all that…
Take JJ out of the team and we become a disjointed, unbalanced side and the lack of pace becomes far more noticeable. JFH is clearly trying to bring pace back into the team across the board but that will take time as he integrates the new signings into the starting line up.
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bri77
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2018, 13:01:01 pm » |
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Even if JJ isn't having the best of games he is such a pain for the opposition his influence on the game will always be there.
He's pretty close to becoming my favourite Cobblers player ever.
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Joes Sweet Left Foot
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2018, 12:11:51 pm » |
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The following stats apply only to league games All statistics based on the players contribution on the pitch either starting the game or as substitute. Best Overall Performers (min 5 equiv. games) Player | Minutes | Equiv | Goals | Goals | Nett | Nett gls/ | | Played | Games | Scored | Conceded | Goals | 90 mins | O'Toole | 1001 | 11 | 16 | 14 | 2 | +0.18 | Hoskins | 738 | 8 | 12 | 11 | 1 | +0.12 | Long | 1848 | 21 | 26 | 32 | -6 | -0.29 | Powell | 1137 | 13 | 11 | 17 | -6 | -0.47 | Crooks | 1674 | 19 | 19 | 30 | -11 | -0.59 | McWilliams | 696 | 8 | 6 | 11 | -5 | -0.65 | Ingram | 1800 | 20 | 17 | 30 | -13 | -0.65 | A.Taylor | 2656 | 30 | 27 | 48 | -21 | -0.71 | Pierre | 1602 | 18 | 15 | 28 | -13 | -0.73 | Poole | 1546 | 17 | 13 | 28 | -15 | -0.87 | Buchanan | 2340 | 26 | 23 | 46 | -23 | -0.88 | Foley | 967 | 11 | 12 | 22 | -10 | -0.93 | Revell | 909 | 10 | 9 | 19 | -10 | -0.99 | Moloney | 1936 | 22 | 17 | 39 | -22 | -1.02 | Waters | 928 | 10 | 7 | 20 | -13 | -1.26 | Cornell | 540 | 6 | 5 | 13 | -8 | -1.33 | McGugan | 670 | 7 | 6 | 17 | -11 | -1.48 | Bowditch | 471 | 5 | 1 | 9 | -8 | -1.53 | Barnett | 665 | 7 | 5 | 17 | -12 | -1.62 | Richards | 709 | 8 | 1 | 17 | -16 | -2.03 | Best Overall Performers (5 equiv. games or less ) Player | Minutes | Equiv | Goals | Goals | Nett | Nett gls/ | | Played | Games | Scored | Conceded | Goals | 90 mins | Facey | 360 | 4 | 8 | 4 | 4 | +1.00 | O'Donnell | 270 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 2 | +0.67 | Turnbull | 270 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 2 | +0.67 | Bunney | 173 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | +0.52 | Pereira | 61 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | +0.00 | Ariyidi | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | +0.00 | M.Taylor | 64 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | +0.00 | Smith | 388 | 4 | 3 | 5 | -2 | -0.46 | Kasim | 370 | 4 | 4 | 6 | -2 | -0.49 | Hanley | 231 | 3 | 0 | 4 | -4 | -1.56 | Phillips | 87 | 1 | 0 | 2 | -2 | -2.07 | Coddington | 90 | 1 | 1 | 4 | -3 | -3.00 |
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Cobbler78
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2018, 12:14:29 pm » |
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The following stats apply only to league games All statistics based on the players contribution on the pitch either starting the game or as substitute. Best Overall Performers (min 5 equiv. games) Player | Minutes | Equiv | Goals | Goals | Nett | Nett gls/ | | Played | Games | Scored | Conceded | Goals | 90 mins | O'Toole | 1001 | 11 | 16 | 14 | 2 | +0.18 | Hoskins | 738 | 8 | 12 | 11 | 1 | +0.12 | Long | 1848 | 21 | 26 | 32 | -6 | -0.29 | Powell | 1137 | 13 | 11 | 17 | -6 | -0.47 | Crooks | 1674 | 19 | 19 | 30 | -11 | -0.59 | McWilliams | 696 | 8 | 6 | 11 | -5 | -0.65 | Ingram | 1800 | 20 | 17 | 30 | -13 | -0.65 | A.Taylor | 2656 | 30 | 27 | 48 | -21 | -0.71 | Pierre | 1602 | 18 | 15 | 28 | -13 | -0.73 | Poole | 1546 | 17 | 13 | 28 | -15 | -0.87 | Buchanan | 2340 | 26 | 23 | 46 | -23 | -0.88 | Foley | 967 | 11 | 12 | 22 | -10 | -0.93 | Revell | 909 | 10 | 9 | 19 | -10 | -0.99 | Moloney | 1936 | 22 | 17 | 39 | -22 | -1.02 | Waters | 928 | 10 | 7 | 20 | -13 | -1.26 | Cornell | 540 | 6 | 5 | 13 | -8 | -1.33 | McGugan | 670 | 7 | 6 | 17 | -11 | -1.48 | Bowditch | 471 | 5 | 1 | 9 | -8 | -1.53 | Barnett | 665 | 7 | 5 | 17 | -12 | -1.62 | Richards | 709 | 8 | 1 | 17 | -16 | -2.03 | Best Overall Performers (5 equiv. games or less ) Player | Minutes | Equiv | Goals | Goals | Nett | Nett gls/ | | Played | Games | Scored | Conceded | Goals | 90 mins | Facey | 360 | 4 | 8 | 4 | 4 | +1.00 | O'Donnell | 270 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 2 | +0.67 | Turnbull | 270 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 2 | +0.67 | Bunney | 173 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | +0.52 | Pereira | 61 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | +0.00 | Ariyidi | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | +0.00 | M.Taylor | 64 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | +0.00 | Smith | 388 | 4 | 3 | 5 | -2 | -0.46 | Kasim | 370 | 4 | 4 | 6 | -2 | -0.49 | Hanley | 231 | 3 | 0 | 4 | -4 | -1.56 | Phillips | 87 | 1 | 0 | 2 | -2 | -2.07 | Coddington | 90 | 1 | 1 | 4 | -3 | -3.00 |
Excellent work. Look how close all those at the bottom are to our current starting 11
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Cobbler78
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 12:51:20 pm » |
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With all the chat of stats and facts, the more interesting thread has fallen under the radar. These really are great stats and shows why the players were released.
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EssTeeFree
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 13:17:57 pm » |
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Interesting to see Hoskins so high in that table, especially given how often he is derided on here. Is he more important to us than he gets credit for, lucky that his games have largely coincided with JJOTs or is he an anomaly?
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guest2677
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 13:23:54 pm » |
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Interesting to see Hoskins so high in that table, especially given how often he is derided on here. Is he more important to us than he gets credit for, lucky that his games have largely coincided with JJOTs or is he an anomaly?
Must be in some kind of symbiotic relationship with the Toole I think. Definitely not the second MVP for us imo.
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EssTeeFree
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2018, 13:30:04 pm » |
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Must be in some kind of symbiotic relationship with the Toole I think. Definitely not the second MVP for us imo.
Generally agree with you. I do think he has some value, just not in the traditional winger sense. He does put a shift in and is usually pretty diligent at helping out his full back. I also reckon over the last few games with him and Foley wide the teams we have played have shut his side down a lot more, while giving a bit more space to Foley, probably thinking they can get back at him due to his lack of pace. I thought it was noticeable against southend that Hoskins got more space when Berto came on. I don't think he is a winger though, his best position is behind the striker imo. Obviously he is behind O'Toole for that role but I wouldn't mind seeing him play behind Van Veen with O'Toole deeper in some games.
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