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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2018, 10:35:44 am »

Bradley Wiggins and his Team had pushed the limits it seems.
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2018, 11:37:27 am »

Bradley Wiggins and his Team had pushed the limits it seems.
Not according to WADA or UKAD (although didn't exactly come off clean) but according to a bunch of politicians.

I watched a few of the select committee hearings and when they are asking questions like 'do you regularly move bikes by car and use EasyJet' as if it is some scandal they used EasyJet. Some of the lines of questioning were shocking and clearly a witch hunt by politicians after a bit of air time.

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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2018, 13:05:47 pm »

In cycling terms this is a total non-event. It's not even being discussed on the continent. For some reason polititions think that taking a moral stand is important.
Dan Roan - fellow ntfc fan (and/or his bbc bosses) seem to really want to whip up a storm.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2018, 13:13:47 pm »

I remember reading about some of the drug use when all the Olympic athletes had their notes leaked / hacked the other year. There were a lot of athletes using medication to control behaviour (ADHD) which doesn't sit well with me. Particularly athletes winning medals where a lot of concentration is required as I think this gives an unfair advantage. I wonder how much this type of medication is used on footballers especially with younger players whose parents have striven to label their children as an excuse for bad behaviour / poor parenting.
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2018, 15:38:52 pm »

The use of TUE's in sport is an interesting one as there always seems to be a higher than normal level of ailments amongst professional sportsmen. Part of the reason for this is that a lot of people who have asthma for example are encouraged to try sports such as cycling and swimming, the drug that Sharapova used was to treat a heart defect that she's been treated for a long time, however a lot of Russians seem to have the same.

I genuinely don't think Sky did cheat. I think they may have pushed the limits of what is allowed though. It has to be WADA to make a better job of what is and isn't allowed across all sports and to punish accordingly. The biggest issue with Sky is they have always claimed to be 100% clean and now there is doubt if they played in the grey area and as previously stated Dan Roan / BBC have gone after it like a witch hunt, the same as the select committee.

If they can, I wouldn't be surprised if Sky and Wiggins try to sue for defamation or similar. Can you sue the government though?
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2018, 18:13:19 pm »

I genuinely don't think Sky did cheat.

From what I've read, it seems like they haven't been accused of cheating as such. Just morally cheating. Hence why it isn't news on the continent, because absolutely every cyclist going morally cheats.

Individual, pure endurance sports are prime suspects for pushing legal drugs to the absolute limit.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2018, 21:46:22 pm »

.... and if Team Sky was Russian?Huh?

Here's the French take on GB cheats.....  http://www.lemonde.fr/cyclisme/article/2018/03/05/cyclisme-le-team-sky-a-utilise-des-medicaments-pour-ameliorer-les-performances-de-ses-coureurs_5265654_1616656.html
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2018, 07:34:37 am »

From what I've read, it seems like they haven't been accused of cheating as such. Just morally cheating. Hence why it isn't news on the continent, because absolutely every cyclist going morally cheats.

Individual, pure endurance sports are prime suspects for pushing legal drugs to the absolute limit.

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"Drugs were being used by Team Sky, within World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) rules, to enhance the performance of riders and not just to treat medical need," the DCMS committee report added.
Its as close to accusing someone of cheating without actually using the word. My understanding is if they are being used to enhance performance, even if a TUE has been granted, then it is outside of the rules.
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2018, 07:42:49 am »

Its as close to accusing someone of cheating without actually using the word. My understanding is if they are being used to enhance performance, even if a TUE has been granted, then it is outside of the rules.

From my understanding, the drug they have been using is OK if used to the correct frequency and dosage to treat what it has been prescribed for.
Unfortunately it appears that they have used the correct dosage but up to fifty times above the frequency it should have (Instead of twice a year they have used it almost every week of that year).  This has treated the ailment but it has also enhanced the performance of the individual above that which is allowed.
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2018, 10:11:53 am »

From my understanding, the drug they have been using is OK if used to the correct frequency and dosage to treat what it has been prescribed for.
Unfortunately it appears that they have used the correct dosage but up to fifty times above the frequency it should have (Instead of twice a year they have used it almost every week of that year).  This has treated the ailment but it has also enhanced the performance of the individual above that which is allowed.
Possibly I don't know, and I don't think anyone does. But surely if it had been used to that extent it would have shown up in doping samples? That was another thing that has been missing from the news reports (haven't read the full report from politicians) but he would have been tested throughout the Criterium and other events so even though he would have been allowed a banned substance its only allowed to a level
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2018, 10:31:09 am »

From my understanding, the drug they have been using is OK if used to the correct frequency and dosage to treat what it has been prescribed for.
Unfortunately it appears that they have used the correct dosage but up to fifty times above the frequency it should have (Instead of twice a year they have used it almost every week of that year).  This has treated the ailment but it has also enhanced the performance of the individual above that which is allowed.

Which, in Cycling terms, is the equivalent to a goalkeeper taking 45 seconds to take a goal kick when preserving a 1 goal lead.
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