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« Reply #280 on: February 05, 2018, 14:28:17 pm »

Rubbish, they are where they are for a reason. Was that not there first away win in 12 months???
You weren't actually at the game again, were you?
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« Reply #281 on: February 05, 2018, 14:45:22 pm »

One poor game in the last FIVE and it is the managers fault, not the players, so lets change the manager, STUNNING !!! How many micro seconds did it take you to think that response Razor?

Changing the manager has worked so many times before?
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« Reply #282 on: February 05, 2018, 15:46:08 pm »

One poor game in the last FIVE and it is the managers fault, not the players, so lets change the manager, STUNNING !!! How many micro seconds did it take you to think that response Razor?

Changing the manager has worked so many times before?

It's not one poor game in five that's the problem though is it?

I've been unconvinced by JFH since the beginning. He's got the biggest budget of any Cobblers manager in my lifetime and we're still sh*te. Tactically he's VERY hit and miss and Saturday merely served to illustrate what poor decision making he possesses.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the transfer window but he's been backed by the board and now it's time to deliver.
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« Reply #283 on: February 05, 2018, 16:54:31 pm »

It's not one poor game in five that's the problem though is it?

I've been unconvinced by JFH since the beginning. He's got the biggest budget of any Cobblers manager in my lifetime and we're still sh*te. Tactically he's VERY hit and miss and Saturday merely served to illustrate what poor decision making he possesses.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the transfer window but he's been backed by the board and now it's time to deliver.
Couldn't agree more Razor, JFH flatters to deceive, we seem to be in a bizarre cycle of results, win three on the bounce draw one then play dreadful for the next five or six games this sequence has happend two or three times this season and is about to repeat again.
Saturday's game is massive for JFH another display like last week and the knives will be well and truly out.
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« Reply #284 on: February 05, 2018, 17:37:55 pm »

Im finding it interesting reading all of the post match analysis on here, twitter etc. I know Im very much on my own with this one but here goes, a few bullet points!

1. I made the point after 5 minutes that 'we hadn't turned up'. It was clear as day from where I was sitting. The usual system we started with was getting us absolutely no where, I actually wanted us to bring the new striker on (VV) at half time, take off Pierra (who was absolutely useless) and drop JJ into midfield. HOWEVER, it was tricky because Long at that point looked like he was going to get sent off. So it was very much a case of giving it 15 minutes 2nd half and seeing what happened.
2. I didn't actually pick up we'd gone to a wing back formation until a little later in the game. I sit behind the goal, I honestly hadn't even noticed. We were attacking the North Stand, I couldn't work out why we didn't seem to have any wingers and those I spoke with at half time couldn't either!  Grin
3. Every single outfield player to a man didn't win his personal battle. Frankly, whichever system we'd employed on Saturday we'd have been found wanting. We were over ran from the first minute, although I accept we did come close to scoring when JJ headed at the keeper. A tweak here and there would have made little difference, the scene was set from kick off.
4. Rochdale on the day were just so much more up for it. Like we were at Oxford (or Bradford by the sounds of it, didn't go to that game). On the odd occasion, even a poor side (Rochdale 4 wins in the league from 26 I think before Saturday) will perform way above their natural level. It was Rochdale's turn on Saturday. Over a 46 game season it will happen a few times. Think Dagenham and Redbridge at home the season we won the league…the performance that day was on a par with Saturdays one.
5. The current team cannot be compared to the side we saw Sep-Dec that capitulated on numerous occasion. 5 of those who started have only been here for a maximum of a month, JJ was injured for most of the aforementioned period, as was Foley. Only Taylor, Grimes, Crooks (who missed a big chunk as well) were present when we were constantly bad.
6. Since JFH has been able to deal in the transfer market we've won3, drawn 1 and lost 1. Thats 10 points from 5 games. Two of those were away games at top6 sides.
7. Id put it down to mindset. Its virtually impossible for a sports team to get themselves fired up against poor looking opponents like they easily can against better teams. Blackburn away we were massive underdogs, we then go to the other extreme a week later. Its particularly tough when you have such extremes. Liverpool beat Man City the other week who hadn't lost all season , the next game they lose to Swansea who were bottom. It happens all the time, in every league, in every country and in many different sports.
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

Would I have gone wing backs? No, definitely not. BUT like I say I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference because of the reasons I've said. Taylor didn't win a header most of the game against their big number9, thats the first time this season I've seen him properly 'owned'! JJ had his poorest game to date since coming back from injury.  Long didn't do anything. Grimes…when he has a bad game he makes sure it really is a shocker! Bunney…was he playing? Pierra…good Lord!! Turnbull…couldn't do a thing right with the ball!

I could go on but when each and every member of the team plays so badly, are all 'owned' by their opposite number…you get a Wembley v Bradford re-incarnation!

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!
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« Reply #285 on: February 05, 2018, 17:42:37 pm »

You weren't actually at the game again, were you?

Yes, not sure whats that got to do with anything tho.
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« Reply #286 on: February 05, 2018, 18:07:26 pm »

Yes, not sure whats that got to do with anything tho.
Because frankly, sounds like an armchair assessment of Dale! As said, their position to a large extent belies them, having so many games in hand and having knocked out Donny (away) and a minute or so from winning at Millwall (away) last week!
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« Reply #287 on: February 05, 2018, 18:08:14 pm »

His presence might help to get a few bodies through the door but it's becoming clear that JFH is not the man.

what!  Who is going to then?
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« Reply #288 on: February 05, 2018, 18:18:36 pm »

Im finding it interesting reading all of the post match analysis on here, twitter etc. I know Im very much on my own with this one but here goes, a few bullet points!

1. I made the point after 5 minutes that 'we hadn't turned up'. It was clear as day from where I was sitting. The usual system we started with was getting us absolutely no where, I actually wanted us to bring the new striker on (VV) at half time, take off Pierra (who was absolutely useless) and drop JJ into midfield. HOWEVER, it was tricky because Long at that point looked like he was going to get sent off. So it was very much a case of giving it 15 minutes 2nd half and seeing what happened.
2. I didn't actually pick up we'd gone to a wing back formation until a little later in the game. I sit behind the goal, I honestly hadn't even noticed. We were attacking the North Stand, I couldn't work out why we didn't seem to have any wingers and those I spoke with at half time couldn't either!  Grin
3. Every single outfield player to a man didn't win his personal battle. Frankly, whichever system we'd employed on Saturday we'd have been found wanting. We were over ran from the first minute, although I accept we did come close to scoring when JJ headed at the keeper. A tweak here and there would have made little difference, the scene was set from kick off.
4. Rochdale on the day were just so much more up for it. Like we were at Oxford (or Bradford by the sounds of it, didn't go to that game). On the odd occasion, even a poor side (Rochdale 4 wins in the league from 26 I think before Saturday) will perform way above their natural level. It was Rochdale's turn on Saturday. Over a 46 game season it will happen a few times. Think Dagenham and Redbridge at home the season we won the league…the performance that day was on a par with Saturdays one.
5. The current team cannot be compared to the side we saw Sep-Dec that capitulated on numerous occasion. 5 of those who started have only been here for a maximum of a month, JJ was injured for most of the aforementioned period, as was Foley. Only Taylor, Grimes, Crooks (who missed a big chunk as well) were present when we were constantly bad.
6. Since JFH has been able to deal in the transfer market we've won3, drawn 1 and lost 1. Thats 10 points from 5 games. Two of those were away games at top6 sides.
7. Id put it down to mindset. Its virtually impossible for a sports team to get themselves fired up against poor looking opponents like they easily can against better teams. Blackburn away we were massive underdogs, we then go to the other extreme a week later. Its particularly tough when you have such extremes. Liverpool beat Man City the other week who hadn't lost all season , the next game they lose to Swansea who were bottom. It happens all the time, in every league, in every country and in many different sports.
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

Would I have gone wing backs? No, definitely not. BUT like I say I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference because of the reasons I've said. Taylor didn't win a header most of the game against their big number9, thats the first time this season I've seen him properly 'owned'! JJ had his poorest game to date since coming back from injury.  Long didn't do anything. Grimes…when he has a bad game he makes sure it really is a shocker! Bunney…was he playing? Pierra…good Lord!! Turnbull…couldn't do a thing right with the ball!

I could go on but when each and every member of the team plays so badly, are all 'owned' by their opposite number…you get a Wembley v Bradford re-incarnation!

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!

Agree with much of that. However...

1. Thought Bunney did ok and don't blame Long - on his own with little service.

2. Think you are being quite patronising regarding Dale. You haven't seen them (other than against the Cobblers) so can't remotely say it was a one off performance. Indeed, by all accounts, they'd put a good performance in at Millwall just the Sat before. As said above, they despatched Donny at the Keepmoat (I think) the round before.

3. Again, not sure how you can know what runs through a professional player's mind to state that a team can't motivate themselves against lower opposition...that theory can with ease be blown out of the water quicker than you can say HMS Hood!
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« Reply #289 on: February 05, 2018, 18:21:31 pm »

Im finding it interesting reading all of the post match analysis on here, twitter etc. I know Im very much on my own with this one but here goes, a few bullet points!

1. I made the point after 5 minutes that 'we hadn't turned up'. It was clear as day from where I was sitting. The usual system we started with was getting us absolutely no where, I actually wanted us to bring the new striker on (VV) at half time, take off Pierra (who was absolutely useless) and drop JJ into midfield. HOWEVER, it was tricky because Long at that point looked like he was going to get sent off. So it was very much a case of giving it 15 minutes 2nd half and seeing what happened.
2. I didn't actually pick up we'd gone to a wing back formation until a little later in the game. I sit behind the goal, I honestly hadn't even noticed. We were attacking the North Stand, I couldn't work out why we didn't seem to have any wingers and those I spoke with at half time couldn't either!  Grin
3. Every single outfield player to a man didn't win his personal battle. Frankly, whichever system we'd employed on Saturday we'd have been found wanting. We were over ran from the first minute, although I accept we did come close to scoring when JJ headed at the keeper. A tweak here and there would have made little difference, the scene was set from kick off.
4. Rochdale on the day were just so much more up for it. Like we were at Oxford (or Bradford by the sounds of it, didn't go to that game). On the odd occasion, even a poor side (Rochdale 4 wins in the league from 26 I think before Saturday) will perform way above their natural level. It was Rochdale's turn on Saturday. Over a 46 game season it will happen a few times. Think Dagenham and Redbridge at home the season we won the league…the performance that day was on a par with Saturdays one.
5. The current team cannot be compared to the side we saw Sep-Dec that capitulated on numerous occasion. 5 of those who started have only been here for a maximum of a month, JJ was injured for most of the aforementioned period, as was Foley. Only Taylor, Grimes, Crooks (who missed a big chunk as well) were present when we were constantly bad.
6. Since JFH has been able to deal in the transfer market we've won3, drawn 1 and lost 1. Thats 10 points from 5 games. Two of those were away games at top6 sides.
7. Id put it down to mindset. Its virtually impossible for a sports team to get themselves fired up against poor looking opponents like they easily can against better teams. Blackburn away we were massive underdogs, we then go to the other extreme a week later. Its particularly tough when you have such extremes. Liverpool beat Man City the other week who hadn't lost all season , the next game they lose to Swansea who were bottom. It happens all the time, in every league, in every country and in many different sports.
8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

Would I have gone wing backs? No, definitely not. BUT like I say I don't think it would have made the slightest bit of difference because of the reasons I've said. Taylor didn't win a header most of the game against their big number9, thats the first time this season I've seen him properly 'owned'! JJ had his poorest game to date since coming back from injury.  Long didn't do anything. Grimes…when he has a bad game he makes sure it really is a shocker! Bunney…was he playing? Pierra…good Lord!! Turnbull…couldn't do a thing right with the ball!

I could go on but when each and every member of the team plays so badly, are all 'owned' by their opposite number…you get a Wembley v Bradford re-incarnation!

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!

What a great post and something to perhaps give us some positivity ahead of Saturday. However, if we see a repeat performance at the Dons then it will be very worrying. I'm willing to chalk this one off if we react with a performance on Saturday. No pressure.......
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« Reply #290 on: February 05, 2018, 18:25:18 pm »

It's not one poor game in five that's the problem though is it?

I've been unconvinced by JFH since the beginning. He's got the biggest budget of any Cobblers manager in my lifetime and we're still sh*te. Tactically he's VERY hit and miss and Saturday merely served to illustrate what poor decision making he possesses.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the transfer window but he's been backed by the board and now it's time to deliver.

So you didnt see Blackburn , MK , Southend and Bradford games then ? That's a query because I find your assessment astonishing - most on here said they will give him the benefit of the doubt after the Window closed. It only closed end of Jan , so for me and probably a few others probably will (have to) give him a little more time if only for 2/3 games. I agree with resident expert Man04 that a defeat on Sat may mean  the the knives will be out.
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« Reply #291 on: February 05, 2018, 18:27:40 pm »

8. The difference between successful teams and not so successful ones is consistency. I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

To their credit they did get a good draw away at Millwall which is not the easiest place to go.
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« Reply #292 on: February 05, 2018, 19:46:49 pm »


 I doubt Rochdale have played that well away from home all season, huge credit should be given to them for their one off display at Sixfields.

I say, forget this game…and hope we get a big reaction on Saturday. Im fully expecting one!

Mostly agree with your comments; in hindsight it is easy to blame the manager which many of us go out of our away to do so. But JHF was right to say he was worried by the teams  ' flatness' and inability to make a proper game of it. I still think the players mainly contributed to their downfall on Saturday; true they were aided by system changes which may have added to their problems. I was struck by the lack of leadership on the pitch not just AT but every player.

On the Millwall game listening to the BBC report on game Rochdale were extremely unlucky not to have won. They played well at Millwall and then us. Sincerely hope it was just a one off and we get an inspired reaction on Saturday. They did at Bradford so they can do it again.
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« Reply #293 on: February 05, 2018, 20:18:02 pm »

A be blown out of the water quicker than you can say HMS Hood!

Now then now then ; unlucky hit by Bismark or Prinz Eugen . We had no such luck on Sat Cool
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« Reply #294 on: February 05, 2018, 20:43:32 pm »

Because frankly, sounds like an armchair assessment of Dale! As said, their position to a large extent belies them, having so many games in hand and having knocked out Donny (away) and a minute or so from winning at Millwall (away) last week!

Rochdale were below average no better. We made them look good. Fair play to Keith hill tho, the way he shackled jj went a long way to winning them the game
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« Reply #295 on: February 05, 2018, 22:36:41 pm »

The midfield sat so deep it was like we had a back 6, we effectively gave them the middle of the park which gave them the time and space to dictate the game. Rochdale played well but had we put JJ in the centre once we realised it wasn’t working with Crooks and Grimes in there, then I am certain it would have been a totally different game.
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« Reply #296 on: February 06, 2018, 08:05:03 am »

Rochdale were below average no better. We made them look good. Fair play to Keith hill tho, the way he shackled jj went a long way to winning them the game
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To come up with that opinion seems to suggest that again you were not there?
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« Reply #297 on: February 06, 2018, 13:40:46 pm »

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To come up with that opinion seems to suggest that again you were not there?

Why? Rochdale were bad, we were terrible. It was like a lower league two game.
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« Reply #298 on: February 06, 2018, 13:51:51 pm »

Rochdale were below average no better. We made them look good. Fair play to Keith hill tho, the way he shackled jj went a long way to winning them the game
We all see things different.I thought Rochdale looked a good team.We obviously didn't give them a game but our defence could not handle their No9.Time for McWilliams to get a game to put himself about.I would drop Crooks not saying  he is a bad player but just doesn't look up for it.Need some more bite in the team instead of relying on John joe all the time.
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« Reply #299 on: February 06, 2018, 14:15:24 pm »

Why? Rochdale were bad, we were terrible. It was like a lower league two game.

Bad? Really! In this instance your opinion is not shared by many on here. We were terrible , you got that bit right!
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