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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2018, 09:24:58 am »

Welcome Kevin, hope you go on to prove that scunny's mistake of not offering you a new deal is our gain... though listening to this I can't help wondering if your only here for the s. Prove us all wrong KVV.

I'm not believing that. I heard ever since he was a youth player in the Dutch leagues he's dreamed of playing for Northampton Town...
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« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2018, 09:29:04 am »

There are so many strikers who have done ok here from J English to Frank Large then thru' to Akenfenwa perhaps even Ricky Holmes. We have had our share of disappointing goal scorers. I would not mind betting that we have had our share of decent goal strikers compared with other  L1 and L2 clubs?
You do realise that only 2 of the 4 you mentioned were strikers? And we've only had 1 that has scored 20 in a season since the move to sixfields?
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« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2018, 09:44:45 am »

This is not a moan, very happy with the signing but I did find it interesting seeing the stats on the BBC articles about the Van Veen and Revell transfers. Revs actually had a better goal rate for us than KVV had for Scunny (a goal every 4.4 games v a goal every 5).

It would be great if KVV is more prolific for us but I also hope that he isn't judged solely on goals. That seemed to be the biggest stick to beat Revs with.
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« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2018, 09:53:07 am »

You do realise that only 2 of the 4 you mentioned were strikers? And we've only had 1 that has scored 20 in a season since the move to sixfields?

Technically you are right, but as a club we have had some good goal scorers/strikers. For me any Cobbs player who scores over 10 league goals a season fits the bill. This is why I liked Bayo. Hope this lame excuse helps.

Ps forgot about Richards
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« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2018, 10:03:19 am »

This is not a moan, very happy with the signing but I did find it interesting seeing the stats on the BBC articles about the Van Veen and Revell transfers. Revs actually had a better goal rate for us than KVV had for Scunny (a goal every 4.4 games v a goal every 5).

It would be great if KVV is more prolific for us but I also hope that he isn't judged solely on goals. That seemed to be the biggest stick to beat Revs with.

Its a comment and not a moan IMO! The main problem with Revell is that he was old when signed. Was ok when scoring but other than that he did not offer much. Then he had a lengthy spell on side lines! Perhaps he was the epitome of the journeyman tag?
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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2018, 10:05:53 am »

This is not a moan, very happy with the signing but I did find it interesting seeing the stats on the BBC articles about the Van Veen and Revell transfers. Revs actually had a better goal rate for us than KVV had for Scunny (a goal every 4.4 games v a goal every 5).

It would be great if KVV is more prolific for us but I also hope that he isn't judged solely on goals. That seemed to be the biggest stick to beat Revs with.

I think a fairer statistic is goals per games started. Van Veen made a large number of sub appearances for Scunny, some of which may have been 5 minute cameos.

20 league goals in 63 league starts is a very respectable return.

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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2018, 10:09:13 am »

Its a comment and not a moan IMO! The main problem with Revell is that he was old when signed. Was ok when scoring but other than that he did not offer much. Then he had a lengthy spell on side lines! Perhaps he was the epitome of the journeyman tag?

Yes, all very true. Probably the most encouraging thing about the van Veen signing is that we are getting him as he enters his peak years and we have contracted him through them as well. Makes a nice change.

Revs work rate was always top drawer but it was sometimes his downfall. He would benefit from being a little more selfish and staying more central sometimes IMO. I would think he will do well for Stevenage, a move that suits everyone.
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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2018, 10:14:53 am »


20 league goals in 63 league starts is a very respectable return.

You are a killer with stats!  Cool If this is correct then vV is worth millions?
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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2018, 10:16:21 am »

Source:
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=81132&season_id=150
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« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2018, 10:18:18 am »

I think a fairer statistic is goals per games started. Van Veen made a large number of sub appearances for Scunny, some of which may have been 5 minute cameos.

20 league goals in 63 league starts is a very respectable return.

Yes a very fair point. I don't know how accurate the stats are online for League One players but I just had a quick look at both of them on TransferMarkt. For all games they have played in League One van Veen has scored a goal every 280 minutes, Revell a goal every 330. A definite improvement for sure but not as much as I thought it might be.

Anyway, as I said at the beginning, this is not to complain about the van Veen signing or Revs going, I'm happy with both deals really. I just hope, if he keeps scoring at a similar rate for us he doesn't get grief for not being the mystical "20 goal a season" man people seem to want.
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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2018, 10:34:43 am »

A goal every 280 minutes translates to 15 league goals a season which I think most people would be happy with.
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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2018, 10:40:55 am »

A goal every 280 minutes translates to 15 league goals a season which I think most people would be happy with.

Only if he plays every minute of every game  Wink

I'd happily take 10 from him a season, provided he is creating chances for other, bossing opposition centre backs etc. You'd think JJOT and our wide players will benefit from his presence, as will Long if we go two up front.
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« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2018, 10:59:27 am »

Steve Howard didn't score a great deal for us, but when he left he was prolific. BUT when he was with us he was still immense in the role he performed.

'Super' Johnny Gayle is another classic example of a striker who was brilliant for us and never prolific. Its all about what he brings as an overall package, we know from his profile he isn't a goal poacher aka Jamie Forrester (example).

If anyones unduly worried about the stats, just check up on Longs!  Grin
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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2018, 12:46:25 pm »

Seeing the video of some of his goals - 50% were typical strike/poacher goals - strong in the air and intuitively in the right place - but the other 50% are goals that came from nowhere & these are the goals (think Ricky Holmes) that separate a top side from the rest - coupled with his age and a proper contract I'm very optimistic again.
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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2018, 18:59:44 pm »

Anyone saying KVV and Revell are on par in terms of ability needs to give their head a wobble. It was painfully obvious that Richards and Revell were no longer capable of playing in league one anymore, particularly in Rico's case.
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« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2018, 19:21:33 pm »

Dutch 'van' is never capitalised.
Flemish (Belgian) 'Van' is always capitalised.

"The "v" is written in lower case, except when the surname is used as standalone (when the first name or initials are omitted), in which case it is capitalised, as in "de schilder Van Gogh" ("the painter Van Gogh").[2] In Dutch, compound terms like "de Van Goghtentoonstelling" ("the Van Gogh exhibition") the "v" is capitalised, unless the connection between the person and the concept is or has become very weak."

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« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2018, 00:58:38 am »

"The "v" is written in lower case, except when the surname is used as standalone (when the first name or initials are omitted), in which case it is capitalised, as in "de schilder Van Gogh" ("the painter Van Gogh").[2] In Dutch, compound terms like "de Van Goghtentoonstelling" ("the Van Gogh exhibition") the "v" is capitalised, unless the connection between the person and the concept is or has become very weak."

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If you would like to work on having the correct accent you will find this clip helpful. It maybe set in Belgium but it all sounds the same....

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« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2018, 06:57:39 am »

If you would like to work on having the correct accent you will find this clip helpful. It maybe set in Belgium but it all sounds the same....



Steve McLaren does it so much better.
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« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2018, 09:07:28 am »

Anyone saying KVV and Revell are on par in terms of ability needs to give their head a wobble. It was painfully obvious that Richards and Revell were no longer capable of playing in league one anymore, particularly in Rico's case.

I don't think the two are anywhere near on a par, I merely posted the stats because I was quite surprised how close they were in goals per minute in League One. Particularly given how much Revell was derided for his poor goal record. 

As I said though I'm well chuffed with the signing. A lot of people on here have constantly posted about the need to sign a 20 goal a season striker and it doesn't look like he will be that. But I firmly believe he is the sort of player that will not only perform well but also help the team function better, which is kinda the point really.
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« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2018, 09:15:50 am »

Very interesting interview with KvV on Scunny radio .
He was clearly surprised at not being offered a contract by them but seemed to speak from the heart and comes across as a straight forward bloke .
We are now competing with the likes of Scunny for players and so the expectation moving forward is that we get the results that those sort of teams are expected to get .
We have started well on that road though so far .
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