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« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2018, 12:47:20 pm »

Totally understand the sentiment but disagree on many points - of course a manager merry go round rarely solves anything, sure JFH warrants a full season to ultimately be judged and personally I have never booed players of managers however dire they have been (in my opinion) - however I, like other reasonable posters can (without being abusive) post an opinion on what I see and to refer to others as brainless fuckwits doesn't add to the credibility of your opinion.

So why are we critical?

Most reasonable fans expected, not a play off place but a more comfortable mid table position - matched by improving performances after the transfer window - early days but not happening at the moment coupled with the entertainment value which (as QPR fans warned us) is dire - I guess he was experimenting his artistic flair there as well!
Despite your prose - I don't want an artist as a manager of my league 1 side - I want a manager that has some leadership capabilities and some tactical know how - currently I see neither (and could write many paragraphs on what I do see on match days).
To say there are no more Chris Wilders is nonsense - of course there is (otherwise football dies) but you need to be both luck and usually patient to benefit from such talent - which is really your point on JFH but it's a risk and my opinion is it's a bad one from what I see - but a bit like redevelopment I can't influence it so he and the team have my support but it does not stop me or others expressing observations and concerns.  

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« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2018, 12:58:09 pm »

TBF, he said any club 'out of the Championship' (sic). Think that can clearly be taken as 'outside of the Championship'...though I'm not sure I entirely agree with that view!

Well picked up, always pays to read the comment first before reaching for the keyboard. TBF to the poster who made the assumption, Exiles post was cleverly worded  - pitfalls for the unwary/hasty.
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« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2018, 13:13:34 pm »

One of football's artists what a joke, have you watched any games since he took over.

I agree, seeing it with your own eyes is most important, but then we could all see it in a different perspective anyway! Seen over 500 games, now I live to far away but my son goes to most games home and away and I see the full game online.

Compared to the brains here, Jimmy is an artist, he'll see football in another perspective. The people who have taught him his profession, his mentors and the contacts he will have are simply too important to ignore and on a different level. He will see the game faster than any of our team and he's probably pushing too much into their smaller football brains.

The major question, as with all good tutors, is can he relay that information and inspire? The jury's obviously out, but he's smart enough and with experience he'll make it somewhere.

Time to be bloody patient for once you grumpy fuckers. Would you want Steve Evans?
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« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2018, 13:14:23 pm »

HAHAHAHAHA!!! this thread is hillarious!


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« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2018, 13:19:02 pm »

This is No 1  Wink

It doesn't really matter how many games you go to; you are still entitled (I am reliably informed) to an opinion. We all on here, must learn to respect others opinions however wonky.
If you donít go to the matches and all you ever do is watch the goals on tv and read a Chron report - your Of course entitles to an opinion- but when you spout complete rubbish as this contributor has done , it is going to be taken less seriously .
Of course , not everyone can make the games which is completely fair enough - but donít come out with complete rubbish if thatís the case
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« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2018, 13:25:47 pm »

I agree, seeing it with your own eyes is most important, but then we could all see it in a different perspective anyway! Seen over 500 games, now I live to far away but my son goes to most games home and away and I see the full game online.

Compared to the brains here, Jimmy is an artist, he'll see football in another perspective. The people who have taught him his profession, his mentors and the contacts he will have are simply too important to ignore and on a different level. He will see the game faster than any of our team and he's probably pushing too much into their smaller football brains.

The major question, as with all good tutors, is can he relay that information and inspire? The jury's obviously out, but he's smart enough and with experience he'll make it somewhere.

Time to be bloody patient for once you grumpy fuckers. Would you want Steve Evans?

I am actually not sure if you are on a wind up here with your JFH worshiping - yes you might just have a point re his football brain over posters on this board but the comment re our team is both disrespectful & ignorant - just because someone has been a top premiership player does not confer on them greatness in either footballing brains or indeed ability in coaching - in fact looking at the most successful coaches overall - a very significant majority were decidedly average players.

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« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2018, 13:57:47 pm »

'what exactly is your problem'?

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« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2018, 13:59:02 pm »

Putting some of the various statistics banded about on here aside for just a moment, I think it's high time every supporter got behind Jimmy.

Judging by comments I think a few expected us to be chipping away at the play-offs after signing almost a new team but staying in the division is the only aim this season. Performances may have been disappointing thus far, but a new team is slowly emerging and the manager is learning all the time.

You have to understand JFH is one of footballs artists and he has the temperament to match, he is probably asking a little more than the team at his disposal can cope with right now but he needs to experiment now. He wants it to work more than anyone here and his annoyance is born out of frustration.

Some Sheffield fans called for Wilder to go after a slow start, many more Bristol called for Lee Johnsons head too. Changing managers may inject a short term boost but it's proved to make negligible difference in the long run.

Jimmy would walk into any vacancy out of the Championship, irrespective of what he achieves here. There are no more Wilders out there, no more miracle appointments and given time we may have the right man already in place.

For once you brainless fuckwits give him time, support and lots of love. If you want the performances to improve, shut the noisy ones up and chant his name, make him feel special again and he'll respond.
'Jimmy would walk into any vacancy out of the Championship' Can you clear this up, did you mean outside of the Championship?
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« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2018, 14:07:25 pm »

Interesting that some of you hold the view that an opinion of a 'fan' who hardly ever watches 'his' club is of equal value to that of one who travels everywhere, just as NTFC are holding their annual 'Fan of the Year' award...to be won for the seventh consecutive year by Lee Geary, on his 3,852 consecutive game - or something!  Grin
Maybe such opinions are equally valid - fair enough! Interesting also I think, that when returning from Blackburn last month, West Ham fans we spoke to have Away Season tickets, followed by travelling priority points to ensure tickets.
Whilst that in itself doesn't necessarily address opinion validity, it does directly counter the argument I read on here and elsewhere that going to one game a season makes you equally as much of a fan as those travelling over land & sea...doesn't does it, clearly!

Fair play, that's impressive number of consecutive games. The points system doesn't address the validity of an opinion as you mention, but I agree that maybe my view is flawed compared to that of a club on how to recognise who is a "better" fan. Their view will of course be those that spend the most money following the team.

I just don't like the way some people on here use the "how many games have you been to" stick to beat people with at every opportunity. I think we are all fans and can respect each others opinions even if we don't agree.
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« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2018, 14:39:42 pm »

FFS - it's like listening to Trump and his bigger button than rocket man

Are people so insecure about the validity of their comments that they have to play "I'm a better fan than the other guy" - particularly if their views differ.

I listen to people who haven't missed a game for years and (IMO) talk complete horse s***e & offer no meaningful contribution to a discussion, others who are occasional visitors are articulate, incisive and add to an intelligent debate even if their views differ. 

There are individuals with their heads so far up their own backsides I'm surprised they ever actually watch what's on the pitch.
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« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2018, 14:42:13 pm »

On your lunch break?

No having a late lunch today, but thanks for your concern 😘
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« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2018, 15:07:36 pm »

Fair play, that's impressive number of consecutive games. The points system doesn't address the validity of an opinion as you mention, but I agree that maybe my view is flawed compared to that of a club on how to recognise who is a "better" fan. Their view will of course be those that spend the most money following the team.

I just don't like the way some people on here use the "how many games have you been to" stick to beat people with at every opportunity. I think we are all fans and can respect each others opinions even if we don't agree.

IMO what Coolie is saying that some regular supporters have by virtue of being consistent supporters may have a greater right to comment on player/manager performance than the occasional supporter. Obviously, this is a contentious issue but at the same time much ado about nothing. Quite why you appear to champion the theory as set out in your last sentence; it almost suggests you have a chip on your shoulder. Why don't you move on, after all, we are all NTFC supporters and that is all that matters? Due to financial constraints, I am unable to go to Blackpool. Finally I still dont really understand 'what is your problem'.
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« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2018, 15:24:12 pm »

FFS - it's like listening to Trump and his bigger button than rocket man

Are people so insecure about the validity of their comments that they have to play "I'm a better fan than the other guy" - particularly if their views differ.

I listen to people who haven't missed a game for years and (IMO) talk complete horse s***e & offer no meaningful contribution to a discussion, others who are occasional visitors are articulate, incisive and add to an intelligent debate even if their views differ. 

There are individuals with their heads so far up their own backsides I'm surprised they ever actually watch what's on the pitch.

Agreed. As I mentioned, I've done my turn of duty going week in week out but now I cant, so I trust my sons view and what I see online. I'm sure a good scout and a video has been enough for a few managers to sign players before?

How many times have we argued in the pub after watching the same game?

Yes, to be clear, I reckon he would get the job at any club outside of the top two divisions so we are lucky to have him and he'll be desperate to pull it off here. I would love to hear a better suggestion than giving him time and our total support and encouragement to the players. .
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« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2018, 16:17:34 pm »

Agreed. As I mentioned, I've done my turn of duty going week in week out but now I cant, so I trust my sons view and what I see online. I'm sure a good scout and a video has been enough for a few managers to sign players before?

How many times have we argued in the pub after watching the same game?

Yes, to be clear, I reckon he would get the job at any club outside of the top two divisions so we are lucky to have him and he'll be desperate to pull it off here. I would love to hear a better suggestion than giving him time and our total support and encouragement to the players. .

Not having a dig at all, just intrested on what grounds do you think that??

Would it be the run of fantastic results particularly at home? Or the fantastic brand of attacking football he brings? or maybe his likeability and connection with the home fans? Maybe even his backdated results record from previous employers?

Just intrested to know really?

So to clarify if Cook left Wigan tommorow then Jimmy would be top of their list to replace him right?
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« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2018, 17:23:17 pm »

Totally understand the sentiment but disagree on many points - of course a manager merry go round rarely solves anything, sure JFH warrants a full season to ultimately be judged and personally I have never booed players of managers however dire they have been (in my opinion) - however I, like other reasonable posters can (without being abusive) post an opinion on what I see and to refer to others as brainless fuckwits doesn't add to the credibility of your opinion.

So why are we critical?

Most reasonable fans expected, not a play off place but a more comfortable mid table position - matched by improving performances after the transfer window - early days but not happening at the moment coupled with the entertainment value which (as QPR fans warned us) is dire - I guess he was experimenting his artistic flair there as well!
Despite your prose - I don't want an artist as a manager of my league 1 side - I want a manager that has some leadership capabilities and some tactical know how - currently I see neither (and could write many paragraphs on what I do see on match days).
To say there are no more Chris Wilders is nonsense - of course there is (otherwise football dies) but you need to be both luck and usually patient to benefit from such talent - which is really your point on JFH but it's a risk and my opinion is it's a bad one from what I see - but a bit like redevelopment I can't influence it so he and the team have my support but it does not stop me or others expressing observations and concerns.   

Read with interest your comments (endorsed by Glaston') on Exiles message.  Just like to express a few observations if I may on your comments.

I for one judging by the recent signings hoped we might make a push for playoffs! It would not surprise me to learn that quite a few Supporters felt the same. Regarding the artist comment, yes that is controversial but would suggest that JFH has leadership and certainly tactical ability which he has demonstrated particularly in away games. The point is that CW worked for us (as did Dave Bowen) but am not sure CW was entirely successful at Oxford. The point is we have appointed two managers of reasonable ability but both have failed so as Exile says CW is virtually impossible to replace. Perhaps JFH can become that man? However to prejudge JFH after 16 games are meaningless.To me, the whole point about Exiles message is to give the bloke a break and offer instead wholehearted support which I think you agree on although it appeared a little reluctant. After the Oxford game, so many of us threw our toys out of the pram, some more or less countenancing a change of Manager! This thing about some taking a high handed attitude over fellow supporters not at the game(s)is a red herring and more often than not is a convenient way to interpret a message to further their argument.
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« Reply #135 on: February 28, 2018, 18:36:32 pm »

I am generally supportive of JFH and still hopeful he might be our man. I certainly think he's an improvement on Page and Edinburgh. However, there are things about him that I find irritating and they are related to being too cautious.

His tinkering with the team almost EVERY week, regardless of current form suggests worrying more about the threat of the opposition than the one we can pose to them. This is sometimes also reflected in overcautiousness on the pitch, as witnessed in the second half last Saturday, when we sat back in the second half to let a very average Oxford side dominate the game.

I'm also concerned that he is often satisfied with second best.  In his comments when interviewed after the match on Saturday, he said we must remember we are Northampton Town,in our second season in League 1, as if we should expect nothing more than to struggle. I certainly don't expect us to struggle and less so now that proper money is being spent on our team and coaching staff. We should expect to be a mid-table side at least with what we have now. Similarly, I can think of only a couple of occasions when Jimmy has criticised players' work rate or intensity and he usually praises it. IMO there have been a number of times when I have felt some players have not given their all when he has been happy with their work rate. So my question is, is he demanding enough of the players?

Time will tell and in the meantime I wish him well. After all his success is our success.
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« Reply #136 on: February 28, 2018, 18:39:56 pm »

Agreed. As I mentioned, I've done my turn of duty going week in week out but now I cant, so I trust my sons view and what I see online. I'm sure a good scout and a video has been enough for a few managers to sign players before?

How many times have we argued in the pub after watching the same game?

Yes, to be clear, I reckon he would get the job at any club outside of the top two divisions so we are lucky to have him and he'll be desperate to pull it off here. I would love to hear a better suggestion than giving him time and our total support and encouragement to the players. .

I've been thinking about this some more and maybe you're right actually. His tactical astuteness isn't second to none, consistently knowing his best 11 and playing it consistently. Also ability to change a game is second to none.

The more I think about I reckon a prem club will snap him up soon, maybe west Bromwich in the coming weeks???

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« Reply #137 on: February 28, 2018, 19:19:26 pm »

FFS - it's like listening to Trump and his bigger button than rocket man

Are people so insecure about the validity of their comments that they have to play "I'm a better fan than the other guy" - particularly if their views differ.

I listen to people who haven't missed a game for years and (IMO) talk complete horse s***e & offer no meaningful contribution to a discussion, others who are occasional visitors are articulate, incisive and add to an intelligent debate even if their views differ. 

There are individuals with their heads so far up their own backsides I'm surprised they ever actually watch what's on the pitch.
Surely your last sentence here, sums you up to a tee!
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« Reply #138 on: February 28, 2018, 19:49:34 pm »

When you donít go to any games at all and call those that do ďbrainless f***witsĒ  and spout what is and is not good for the team .....  you lose any credibility
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« Reply #139 on: February 28, 2018, 20:17:28 pm »

Interesting that some of you hold the view that an opinion of a 'fan' who hardly ever watches 'his' club is of equal value to that of one who travels everywhere, just as NTFC are holding their annual 'Fan of the Year' award...to be won for the seventh consecutive year by Lee Geary, on his 3,852 consecutive game - or something!  Grin

Maybe such opinions are equally valid - fair enough! Interesting also I think, that when returning from Blackburn last month, West Ham fans we spoke to have Away Season tickets, followed by travelling priority points to ensure tickets.

Whilst that in itself doesn't necessarily address opinion validity, it does directly counter the argument I read on here and elsewhere that going to one game a season makes you equally as much of a fan as those travelling over land & sea...doesn't does it, clearly!
This post has the curious mix of me hating it yet sort of agreeing with it. The truth is if you love the club, you love the club. Like some people who move abroad and leave their loved ones behind, it doesnít mean you love them any less than anyone else. However, with regards to the validity of the opinion of someone who is not attending the game being equal to someone who is, thatís different. If that were true, managers and other club representatives wouldnít bother to travel to attend games to research and evaluate teams and players, and would just watch them on the telly? You see more live so the opinion of attendees has to be more credible, doesnít it? Youíve still got on my nerves though Cat.
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