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« Reply #320 on: February 26, 2018, 12:31:38 pm »

I booed the Ariyibi sub.

I made an audible grumble/groan at the final whistle which turned in to telling JFH where to go when I saw him sarcastically applaud the fans.

When does normal applause turn into sarcastic applause, or is that based on the subjective perception of the viewer?
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« Reply #321 on: February 26, 2018, 12:35:40 pm »

Oxford did not play well because we didn't let them. A clean sheet and a point, it could be a lot worse.

1 point from 9 at home from the last three games .
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« Reply #322 on: February 26, 2018, 12:48:10 pm »

When does normal applause turn into sarcastic applause, or is that based on the subjective perception of the viewer?

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« Reply #323 on: February 26, 2018, 12:59:36 pm »

                      GP   W   D   L   GF   GA   GD   Pts
1   Rotherham   18   12   2   4   38   19   19   38
2   Wigan Athletic   17   10   5   2   24   6   18   35
3   Blackburn           17   10   5   2   33   16   17   35
4   Shrewsbury   16   10   3   3   22   10   12   33
5   Southend Utd   17   9   5   3   28   18   10   32
6   Bristol Rovers   17   10   1   6   31   24   7   31
7   Portsmouth   18   9   3   6   25   16   9   30
8   Charlton           18   8   5   5   25   22   3   29
9   Plymouth           18   9   2   7   26   26   0   29
10   Walsall           17   7   6   4   26   21   5   27
11   Sc***horpe   17   7   6   4   22   17   5   27
12   Peterborough   17   8   3   6   26   22   4   27
13   Doncaster           17   6   7   4   25   19   6   25
14   Oldham           17   7   3   7   27   25   2   24
15   Oxford Utd   17   6   4   7   27   28   -1   22
16   Gillingham    17   4   9   4   20   18   2   21
17   Blackpool      16   5   6   5   23   24   -1   21
18   Wimbledon   16   6   3   7   17   20   -3   21
19   Bury                   17   6   3   8   15   20   -5   21
20   Northampton   18   6   3   9   15   25   -10   21
21   Bradford        16   6   2   8   21   27   -6   20
22   Milton Keynes   16   4   7   5   17   20   -3   19
23   Rochdale           13   4   6   3   13   11   2   18
24   Fleetwood           18   4   5   9   25   30   -5   17

This is the Home table for this season.
Doesn't exactly make pretty reading does it. Maybe just maybe this is why there is a growing feeling of discontent.
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« Reply #324 on: February 26, 2018, 12:59:52 pm »

Whether his tactics are negative or not given our position in the league I would have thought not losing and grinding out results would have to be our priority at the moment. It's what Wilder did when he first arrived. The open attacking football came later.
Having said that JFH's inability to change when things are not working is quite worrying.
Everybody seems to expect an instant fix which is in no way realistic regardless of what has been spent.

Theya re negative and we should be looking to win at home, rather than just not loose which is his priority at present.

If we don't start winning at home we will go down - FACT
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« Reply #325 on: February 26, 2018, 13:02:00 pm »

Whether his tactics are negative or not given our position in the league I would have thought not losing and grinding out results would have to be our priority at the moment. It's what Wilder did when he first arrived. The open attacking football came later.
Having said that JFH's inability to change when things are not working is quite worrying.
Everybody seems to expect an instant fix which is in no way realistic regardless of what has been spent.

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« Reply #326 on: February 26, 2018, 13:02:54 pm »

When does normal applause turn into sarcastic applause, or is that based on the subjective perception of the viewer?

When its aimed at the section of the crowd that had been given him jip it's obvious to anyone with a brain it's done with sarcastic intentions - then backed up by that  interview!!
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« Reply #327 on: February 26, 2018, 13:07:16 pm »

Precisely, for me also the most important thing was not to lose the game. All this gung ho is simply that.

Simple math's - a point a game (if that is the game plan) get's you relegated - you have to aim to win, not draw home games - particularly modest opposition.

To set out not to lose will surely get us relegated plus it provides a distinctly unattractive spectator experience.

Bar 30 mins (in the first half on Saturday) the last 270 minutes of football at Sixfields have been truly dire - as much as you castigate anyone perceived as having a negative view that is reality and if there are 5 more of the same we will be relegated.
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« Reply #328 on: February 26, 2018, 13:07:54 pm »

When its aimed at the section of the crowd that had been given him jip it's obvious to anyone with a brain it's done with sarcastic intentions - then backed up by that  interview!!

Yeah - your mind was made up in any case!

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« Reply #329 on: February 26, 2018, 13:13:33 pm »

Simple math's - a point a game (if that is the game plan) get's you relegated - you have to aim to win, not draw home games - particularly modest opposition.

To set out not to lose will surely get us relegated plus it provides a distinctly unattractive spectator experience.

Bar 30 mins (in the first half on Saturday) the last 270 minutes of football at Sixfields have been truly dire - as much as you castigate anyone perceived as having a negative view that is reality and if there are 5 more of the same we will be relegated.

With the grand total of one goal scored in the last 270 minutes.

The more we talk about how crap we are at home I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more stick.

Rotherham, Shrewsbury, Plymouth, Charlton (and Oldham) still to come at home. Now I'm really worried.
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« Reply #330 on: February 26, 2018, 13:17:23 pm »

With a top 8 budget I would suggest .....

There's no reason to suggest that at all. Why top 8 - do you think it's 8th?
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« Reply #331 on: February 26, 2018, 13:30:34 pm »

On Saturday JFH let himself down with the comments on the radio and the sarcastic applause in my opinion. Though I think it could quite easily have been a totally different story if our chances had been taken in the first half an hour. If that had been the case we would have been out of site of Oxford, the players would have been fired up more to extend that lead in the 2nd half and we wouldn't have booed the changing of Airyibi. I think it all comes down to the frustration of us as fans, the players and JFH as to why he made those comments and why we booed. Yes the 2 previous home games had been awful, but we looked good 1st half on Saturday and we have played well away last few games.
I think we need to move on from Saturday and hope the good away run continues at Blackpool and The Gas then we can come back to a home game with confidence and hopefully take 3 points and move on. I know a lot aren't pleased with Jimmy at the minute, but how would we all have been feeling had those 4 or 5 chances gone in. The strikers had a bad game in front of goal, but I do think we are building, albeit very slowly.
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« Reply #332 on: February 26, 2018, 13:37:54 pm »

When its aimed at the section of the crowd that had been given him jip it's obvious to anyone with a brain it's done with sarcastic intentions - then backed up by that  interview!!

It's not obvious to those who didn't see it, you still haven't explained what the difference was between Saturday and his normal applause enough to convince me?
I didn't see it, did you? Were you one of those in that small section of the crowd who gave him jip?
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« Reply #333 on: February 26, 2018, 13:49:45 pm »

It's not obvious to those who didn't see it, you still haven't explained what the difference was between Saturday and his normal applause enough to convince me?
I didn't see it, did you? Were you one of those in that small section of the crowd who gave him jip?

Well 90% of people could see the difference Deepcut.

I booed the substitution because he got it wrong tactically (again) then tried to save face by saying the boy gad a tight hamstring.
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« Reply #334 on: February 26, 2018, 13:51:38 pm »

On Saturday JFH let himself down with the comments on the radio and the sarcastic applause in my opinion. Though I think it could quite easily have been a totally different story if our chances had been taken in the first half an hour. If that had been the case we would have been out of site of Oxford, the players would have been fired up more to extend that lead in the 2nd half and we wouldn't have booed the changing of Airyibi. I think it all comes down to the frustration of us as fans, the players and JFH as to why he made those comments and why we booed. Yes the 2 previous home games had been awful, but we looked good 1st half on Saturday and we have played well away last few games.
I think we need to move on from Saturday and hope the good away run continues at Blackpool and The Gas then we can come back to a home game with confidence and hopefully take 3 points and move on. I know a lot aren't pleased with Jimmy at the minute, but how would we all have been feeling had those 4 or 5 chances gone in. The strikers had a bad game in front of goal, but I do think we are building, albeit very slowly.

Agree to some extent, but you cannot work on ifs and buts. Otherwise you could equally say how would we be feeling today had Thomas scored towards the end, which let's be honest he should have done.
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« Reply #335 on: February 26, 2018, 14:27:40 pm »

Deepcut, at the final whistle some fans on the back row of the lower tier in front of the exit were telling Jimmy what they thought of him as is their right. As I looked at them waiting to leave my row they got visibly more
 angry with their shouting, facial expressions and hand signals. So I turned back round to the pitch, and Jimmy was there quite clearly applauding these 3/4 fans. He then turned away from them and applauded other fans behind the dugout, which I think had become genuine applause. But make no mistake he was sarcastically applauding these guys.
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« Reply #336 on: February 26, 2018, 14:31:46 pm »

IMO,  some of the booing and chanting aimed at Jimmy is nothing compared to what I saw Boothroyd, Page and Edinburgh get given, and I don't recall any of them giving the fans sarcastic applause. I think Jimmy needs to man up a bit, stop looking round to the crowd baffled by our booing and shouting at his tactics or a poor performance from his players and bloody manage!
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« Reply #337 on: February 26, 2018, 14:34:15 pm »

On Saturday JFH let himself down with the comments on the radio and the sarcastic applause in my opinion. Though I think it could quite easily have been a totally different story if our chances had been taken in the first half an hour. If that had been the case we would have been out of site of Oxford, the players would have been fired up more to extend that lead in the 2nd half and we wouldn't have booed the changing of Airyibi. I think it all comes down to the frustration of us as fans, the players and JFH as to why he made those comments and why we booed. Yes the 2 previous home games had been awful, but we looked good 1st half on Saturday and we have played well away last few games.
I think we need to move on from Saturday and hope the good away run continues at Blackpool and The Gas then we can come back to a home game with confidence and hopefully take 3 points and move on. I know a lot aren't pleased with Jimmy at the minute, but how would we all have been feeling had those 4 or 5 chances gone in. The strikers had a bad game in front of goal, but I do think we are building, albeit very slowly.
Good BM. We're all very frustrated AND worried at the moment BUT it's not JFH fault our lads missed some good chances 1st half. Like you say, we need to move on stick together and get behind the lads. I'm sure none of us want to go back to Lge 2 football.
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« Reply #338 on: February 26, 2018, 14:47:26 pm »

Good BM. We're all very frustrated AND worried at the moment BUT it's not JFH fault our lads missed some good chances 1st half. Like you say, we need to move on stick together and get behind the lads. I'm sure none of us want to go back to Lge 2 football.

I dunno, our last season in League 2 was awesome!
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« Reply #339 on: February 26, 2018, 14:53:16 pm »

When does normal applause turn into sarcastic applause, or is that based on the subjective perception of the viewer?
When accompanied by the look on his face
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