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« Reply #1240 on: May 13, 2018, 13:35:25 pm »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/27/in-defence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece

Here's the link again, really worth reading.

"A starting point could be that our opinion is perhaps coloured by the volume of football on TV. If a corner only leads to a goal 3.2% of the time it’s inevitable that most corners aren’t going to leave a good impression and the more of them we see the more entrenched that negative view is going to get. And then there is the oft-parroted view that professional footballers trousering loads of cash at the very least should be able to beat the first man. This is where there is a serious misunderstanding by many fans about what constitutes an effective corner. There is a huge difference between phoning one in and delivering a dangerous one."


I've always considered it a strange one. The manager would want the the tried and tested method of whipping the corner in aiming to just miss 'the first man', but the fans would seemingly prefer a more consistent corner lofted towards the penalty spot (even if it will result in less success over the course of the season).
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« Reply #1241 on: May 13, 2018, 14:34:17 pm »

Interesting stat that appears to be backed up by evidence. I wonder what percentage of corners result in a breakaway goal for the defending team. Although to do that you usually have to keep at least one man up.

You don't want a man in the middle to get a decent breakaway from a corner. It works ok in non professional games with dodgy pitches and plenty of errors. Those that have 'played a bit' seem to get incensed if there's not a least one striker ambling around the half way line.
The current thinking is to have a striker on the D for corners. At the first sign of it breaking down he then sprints up into space. The defender, or goal keeper, can then play it into space in front of him. This allows other to join the attack and the defenders have been sucked up the pitch. It's much more likely to get a goal or at least a decent attacking position than hoping a lone striker can somehow pick up a hoofed clearance, beat the defender that's on him, then the keeper for a goal.
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« Reply #1242 on: May 13, 2018, 14:54:25 pm »

Bit concerning that Deano seemed to favour having Hoskins on the half way line  Shocked think we should scrap that two year deal before it's too late.
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« Reply #1243 on: May 13, 2018, 17:19:49 pm »

Bit concerning that Deano seemed to favour having Hoskins on the half way line  Shocked think we should scrap that two year deal before it's too late.

Considering we conceded a goal from a corner against Blackpool, Oldham and Bury... I do think it's something Austin needs to look at. I believe we conceded from more corners in Austin's remaining games than all of Hasselbainks games in charge.
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« Reply #1244 on: May 13, 2018, 19:22:56 pm »

Bit concerning that Deano seemed to favour having Hoskins on the half way line  Shocked think we should scrap that two year deal before it's too late.

Well it is a crowd pleaser. Now that he’s got the job perhaps he’ll revert to the newer methods, unless people want to see more hoof ball as we’ve been relegated.
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« Reply #1245 on: May 13, 2018, 20:14:33 pm »

Bit concerning that Deano seemed to favour having Hoskins on the half way line  Shocked think we should scrap that two year deal before it's too late.
I thought he read the game well against Plymouth. They had such a high defensive line, and Austin turned attack into defence multiple times with the pace of Hoskins. However, Hoskin's finishing was non-existent.
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« Reply #1246 on: May 13, 2018, 20:35:11 pm »

That's the only thing missing from Hoskin's play, his finishing. If that was better he wouldn't be playing for us!
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« Reply #1247 on: May 13, 2018, 20:43:39 pm »

That's the only thing missing from Hoskin's play, his finishing. If that was better he wouldn't be playing for us!
Hoskins’ movement against Plymouth and Oldham was excellent - remember he hasn’t played in that position for a very long time .
He was far more effective than Long who totally fell out of favour with the management due to attitude , along with Van Veen .
Hoskins is a live wire up front and if he could finish , would be a real asset .
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« Reply #1248 on: May 14, 2018, 10:20:35 am »

Well it is a crowd pleaser. Now that he’s got the job perhaps he’ll revert to the newer methods, unless people want to see more hoof ball as we’ve been relegated.

An interesting one. Does he leave a player up top to please the crowd (to the detriment of the team), or does he revert back to the current best practice.. But risk being shouted at from the more vocal, lower IQ members of the West Stand?
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« Reply #1249 on: May 14, 2018, 12:23:34 pm »

An interesting one. Does he leave a player up top to please the crowd (to the detriment of the team), or does he revert back to the current best practice.. But risk being shouted at from the more vocal, lower IQ members of the West Stand?
But that is your opinion, no one has ever come back with statistics to confirm that it's "best practice" following the second phase of play, when you clear the corner with everyone back but the ball, 100%, comes back in.
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« Reply #1250 on: May 14, 2018, 12:37:37 pm »

But that is your opinion, no one has ever come back with statistics to confirm that it's "best practice" following the second phase of play, when you clear the corner with everyone back but the ball, 100%, comes back in.

I have searched Google for the stats on this, but haven't been able to find anything at all. My opinion is formed on the Prem teams preferring the method of bringing everyone back with the faster/smaller players on the edge of their box ready to burst forward and chase anything down. These teams all invest very heavily on research for exactly these type of scenarios.
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« Reply #1251 on: May 14, 2018, 12:53:46 pm »

Theres a time and place for bringing everyone back, theres also a time and place for leaving 1 or 2 men up top.

This is something that seems to have gone over most peoples heads.

With the score at 0-0, 20 minutes into the game..no issue with bringing everyone back. If stats show that you've less chance of conceding a goal etc etc.

But when your 1-0 down, 80 minutes on the clock…then surely you need to take risks!

As for the near post debate. Again, surely the best way is to mix things up. By taking the same corner each and every time with the same intention, it makes it bloody easy to defend! All of our set plays last season had the same 'plan'. I include throw ins as well. Teams knew how to set up against us and on most occasions did so very successfully.

Grimes not beating the first man, I think we all know he could quite easily loft the ball into the middle of the penalty area. Despite some of the sarcastic contributions to this thread! So it goes back to tactics.

We have to be more flexible in all areas of our game if we are to be successful. Produce more varied set plays. Wilder/Knill eh! Teams didn't know how to line themselves up when facing a dead ball from us. Its not rocket science but for some reason most managers seem to miss a trick here.

The same with looking at the fact we'd conceded 8 goals in 5 games under Austin. 1 of those was when we had gone gung ho, and would almost certainly not been conceded in normal circumstances. 3 were in the first game, when our best defender was suspended. Swings and round a bouts!
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