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« Reply #100 on: July 27, 2018, 13:25:36 pm »

Chris Wilder and JFH took us over bottom of the table. Both left us third from bottom. Difficult question really.
Nonsense, JFH had pretty much the whole season whilst Wilder took over over late Jan
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« Reply #101 on: July 27, 2018, 13:49:45 pm »

So can we agree, JFH was utter s***e, responsible for our relegation...and should be held accountable to his actions by facing a select committee?

Furthermore, if found to be culpable and thus guilty, face the consequences.

Agreed all?  Wink
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« Reply #102 on: July 27, 2018, 13:51:41 pm »

Call me stupid, but i think Barton's quip about Page failing to sign Bale was a joke.


I was on about the 'only Welsh transfer policy'. Bit weird, and presumably pointed out because Page is Welsh?
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« Reply #103 on: July 27, 2018, 14:15:22 pm »

I think a lot of fans had doubts about Page when he turned down the opportunity to sign John Marquis saying "We can get better than him" and finished up signing JJ Hooper.
   Also his "Only Welsh" signing policy was limited when Gareth Bale decided to stay in Madrid.

Bit harsh BC - is there a snipe buried in there Wink  ?
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« Reply #104 on: July 27, 2018, 14:26:18 pm »

Nonsense, JFH had pretty much the whole season whilst Wilder took over over late Jan

Its hardly nonsense, that literally happened. If Oxford kept 11 players on the pitch and relegated us with our star signings being Connell and Sinclair.... we'd all be citing Wilder as our worst ever manager  Tongue
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« Reply #105 on: July 27, 2018, 15:31:41 pm »

Its hardly nonsense, that literally happened. If Oxford kept 11 players on the pitch and relegated us with our star signings being Connell and Sinclair.... we'd all be citing Wilder as our worst ever manager  Tongue
JFH joined I think around September 7th and Wilder 27th January. Had CW been given the same amount of games, do you honestly believe we would have gone down? If you don’t then you were talking nonsense & if you do then you are talking nonsense. Take your pick.
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« Reply #106 on: July 27, 2018, 15:32:06 pm »

Its hardly nonsense, that literally happened. If Oxford kept 11 players on the pitch and relegated us with our star signings being Connell and Sinclair.... we'd all be citing Wilder as our worst ever manager  Tongue

I'd forgotten just how close it all was. Mind you, it was looking so bleak when Wilder signed I reckon the thinking was that he would be the best manager to get us out of the Conference as he'd recently done just that for Oxford.
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« Reply #107 on: July 27, 2018, 15:36:11 pm »

Bit harsh BC - is there a snipe buried in there Wink  ?
No , I leave that sort of thing to others Wink
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« Reply #108 on: July 27, 2018, 15:37:25 pm »

No , I leave that sort of thing to others Wink

Know what you mean
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« Reply #109 on: July 27, 2018, 16:01:54 pm »

I was on about the 'only Welsh transfer policy'. Bit weird, and presumably pointed out because Page is Welsh?
So was I, by referencing Bale. Nvm.
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« Reply #110 on: July 27, 2018, 21:51:55 pm »

I had the conversation with some mates over the summer as to who our worst post-Wilder manager was and it was pretty unanimous that it was JFH.

The level of incompetence was staggering. Had he been sacked earlier we might be looking forward to another season in L1

With the exception of Wilder all our recent managers were ‘the worst in the clubs history’ until the next one came along.
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« Reply #111 on: July 27, 2018, 22:13:27 pm »

Still Gary Johnson for me. The rest have yet to (allegedly) punch a player.
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« Reply #112 on: July 27, 2018, 22:28:38 pm »

With the exception of Wilder all our recent managers were ‘the worst in the clubs history’ until the next one came along.
Curb Your Enthusiasm for anything JFH, he was hopeless! I do hear what your saying though it’s a conundrum, get a good manager than he’s poached, bad one, sacked. We could and should though be a steady league one side. I might be wrong but if this was achieved I think a lot of anger would go from this forum. We should be in a better position and that’s what annoyed me most about Hasslebaink. With the resources he had last year he should have performed better if he was a decent coach/manager.
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« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2018, 23:29:39 pm »

Still Gary Johnson for me. The rest have yet to (allegedly) punch a player.

He's one of few who left us lower than he found us.
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« Reply #114 on: July 28, 2018, 07:58:01 am »

I’m with Alton on the coaching badges and frankly for any of us fans to suggest they know more about football than even our worst managers is probably out of order. I think the problem is threefold - firstly coaching badges teaches them all the same thing and in normal circumstances teams on a roughly equal footing would always neutralize each other so secondly good managers really understand their own players and those little individual capabilities, put them together in a system that works - and prepared to make some (but not all the time) changes depending on the opposition and how the game developed.

The third area and here I disagree with Alton, is man management and leadership - sure courses can hone an existing skill but if you haven’t got no course in the world will create it.

The best managers have all 3 of this attributes  - our failed managers have undoubtedly had the first but were sadly lacking in the second and it would seem in most cases the third. With DA, he seems to have 1 & 3 so if he can show the second one I think we have a winner.
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« Reply #115 on: July 28, 2018, 08:31:54 am »

I’m with Alton on the coaching badges and frankly for any of us fans to suggest they know more about football than even our worst managers is probably out of order.
So virtually everyone was wrong thinking that Bunney couldn't play as a left back when JFH kept playing him there and he kept getting ripped apart ?
  You could be correct in saying that "for us fans to suggest they know more about football than even our worst managers is probably out of order" but part of being a good manager is to realise when you've got it wrong and stop repeating the mistake and not be so arrogant to think that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
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« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2018, 08:39:33 am »

So virtually everyone was wrong thinking that Bunney couldn't play as a left back when JFH kept playing him there and he kept getting ripped apart ?
  You could be correct in saying that "for us fans to suggest they know more about football than even our worst managers is probably out of order" but part of being a good manager is to realise when you've got it wrong and stop repeating the mistake and not be so arrogant to think that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Completely agree but then that’s my point 2 - knowing your players and how to use them.
JFH in my opinion was terrible at that and as already said he was a technically very gifted player and in walks of life these do not make the best teachers which is also why I think in this case we were right to get rid and again in my opinion decision was made too late.
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« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2018, 10:30:25 am »

Curb Your Enthusiasm for anything JFH, he was hopeless! I do hear what your saying though it’s a conundrum, get a good manager than he’s poached, bad one, sacked. We could and should though be a steady league one side. I might be wrong but if this was achieved I think a lot of anger would go from this forum. We should be in a better position and that’s what annoyed me most about Hasslebaink. With the resources he had last year he should have performed better if he was a decent coach/manager.

Haha! Well spotted, he would make a great manager with Susie as assistant.
I'm not particularly enthusiastic for JFH, I just want any manager tat been appointed to be given a fair chance to build a decent squad - eve with failures on the way. My point is that continually searching for the next big thing is futile, a waste of money and damaging to the club.
Wilder had indifferent years at Oxford and they were pleased to see him go. He had a great season with us but that was all it was and it was pretty unlikely he would get the same success the next year. He knew that and jumped ship.
I hope Austen has a great start this season but if he doesn't the boo boys will be out in force. "No experience", "JFH clone", "Worse than JFH", then the inevitable "Clueless with tactics", "Lost the dressing room" and finally "Worst manager ever". We've all been there before.

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« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2018, 10:32:08 am »

So virtually everyone was wrong thinking that Bunney couldn't play as a left back when JFH kept playing him there and he kept getting ripped apart ?


Is that Joe Bunney who recently signed for League One club Blackpool?
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« Reply #119 on: July 28, 2018, 11:45:12 am »

Is that Joe Bunney who recently signed for League One club Blackpool?
Yes and I'll bet that he doesn't play as full back, he's fine as a wing back or midfielder . Do you agree with this or do you agree with JFH and think he can play full back ?
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