The Hotel End
March 28, 2024, 15:51:56 pm
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
  Home Help Search Arcade Downloads Gallery Links Staff List Calendar Login Register Chat  

Where next for Jimmy?

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Where next for Jimmy?  (Read 14868 times)
0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
bwills
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 144


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2018, 19:41:05 pm »

He must be up there. His previous fame cut him so much slack. Woeful and so many good managers never get the chance because of ex-players like him filling positions.

It makes you wonder if the drubbing by Bristol Rovers had happened in February rather than October, would he have been shown the door earlier and we may have stayed up ?
Report Spam   Logged
SteveRiches
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2111


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Combination Topic Starter Poll Voter
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2018, 14:03:38 pm »

It makes you wonder if the drubbing by Bristol Rovers had happened in February rather than October, would he have been shown the door earlier and we may have stayed up ?
He should have been shown the door several weeks earlier then we wouldn't be relegated. A poor - and very expensive - decision by the club.
Report Spam   Logged
guest47
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 18:10:00 pm »

He should have been shown the door several weeks earlier then we wouldn't be relegated. A poor - and very expensive - decision by the club.

Sacking managers early in their contract never work out in the long run.
Report Spam   Logged
Glastonbury Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2500


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
2500 Posts Windows User Combination
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 18:30:56 pm »

Sacking managers early in their contract never work out in the long run.

You actually being serious??

Maybe we could have given Jimmy another 12 months and ended up in Confrence hey?
Report Spam   Logged
guest47
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 18:34:55 pm »

You actually being serious??

Maybe we could have given Jimmy another 12 months and ended up in Confrence hey?

I am being serious in that the constant sacking of managers even before they have reached the half way point in their contract is bound to end in failure.
Report Spam   Logged
guest1269
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2018, 09:41:55 am »

I am being serious in that the constant sacking of managers even before they have reached the half way point in their contract is bound to end in failure.

In principle I agree but there are exception (JFH in my opinion being one of them) - I think when it becomes the norm rather than the exception failure is likely.
Report Spam   Logged
everbrite
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 20217


Steve Howard best since Cliff Holton


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
20000 Posts Search Apple User
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2018, 15:43:03 pm »

In principle I agree but there are exception (JFH in my opinion being one of them) - I think when it becomes the norm rather than the exception failure is likely.

Since Wilder left it appears to have become the norm; 4 Mangers in less than 2 years seems to contradict your (exception) point.
Report Spam   Logged

2020 Grand National S/S 3rd Place
Irchy cob
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3828


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2018, 16:15:49 pm »

Since Wilder left it appears to have become the norm; 4 Mangers in less than 2 years seems to contradict your (exception) point.


Perhaps someone’s been choosing exceptionally poor managers?
Report Spam   Logged
guest47
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2018, 17:19:12 pm »

Perhaps someone’s been choosing exceptionally poor managers?

They've done ok after leaving us. You can't keep sacking managers long before their contact is up, it's a waste of money that could be better spent on decent players. I don't like arguing by example but an obvious one is Newcastle who resisted the pressure form the fans to sack Benitez and are reaping the rewards for sticking with him. Another is Dyche at Burnley; there were plenty of fans calling for his head when they got relegated. Of course, people can point to examples where the change of manager has improved a club's fortunes but my suggestion is that it's best to stick with the selection and give that person the chance to properly build a squad. All our recent managers will claim they weren't given a reasonable opportunity to build a balanced squad thanks to remaining player contracts and budget constraints. JFH only had the January transfer window and he will argue that's not sufficient to do the job he was contracted for.
The worry is that KT will sack Austen at the slightest hint of any problems leading to another clear out and more wasted money.
Report Spam   Logged
St Edmundsbury Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2178



View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Level 6 Search Windows User
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2018, 18:06:20 pm »

We got worse after January when JFH got rid of nine players and brought in nine of his choosing. And making us worse last season was some achievement.
Report Spam   Logged

2022/23 Prediction League Champion
2022/23 Guess The Attendance Champion

Claret & White - Nothing Else Matters
everbrite
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 20217


Steve Howard best since Cliff Holton


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
20000 Posts Search Apple User
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2018, 18:32:03 pm »

They've done ok after leaving us. You can't keep sacking managers long before their contact is up, it's a waste of money that could be better spent on decent players.

Good response to Irchy - we should live and hope Austin builds a decent side for L1 and above.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 21:22:56 pm by everbrite » Report Spam   Logged

2020 Grand National S/S 3rd Place
guest47
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2018, 18:37:47 pm »

We got worse after January when JFH got rid of nine players and brought in nine of his choosing. And making us worse last season was some achievement.

What league position were we just before the January transfer window?
Report Spam   Logged
Irchy cob
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3828


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2018, 18:39:20 pm »

JED isn’t exactly tearing it up at orient in the conference and as far as I’m aware JFH is still out of a job. You can make an argument for page but it is Wales under 19’s (or 21’s) and I wouldn’t have thought a league club side would touch him with a barge pole. We obviously have a difference of opinion on this situation - I agree that in an ideal world we would be sticking with a manager for 2 or3 years (and I hope we will with Austin) but football is a results based business and if he starts the season with 4 or 5 poor results then the pressure will rightly be on.
Report Spam   Logged
guest1269
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2018, 19:13:10 pm »

Since Wilder left it appears to have become the norm; 4 Mangers in less than 2 years seems to contradict your (exception) point.



Why do you feel the need to argue about everything - I’m clearly making a generic point - it’s patently obvious that we have disposed of more managers in the last two years than ideal and as suggested failure (relegation) has been the outcome.
Report Spam   Logged
Glastonbury Cobbler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2500


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
2500 Posts Windows User Combination
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2018, 21:13:25 pm »

Looks like Donny are gonna have a firtunate close call as Jimbo has drifted out to 4/1!
Report Spam   Logged
everbrite
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 20217


Steve Howard best since Cliff Holton


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
20000 Posts Search Apple User
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2018, 21:32:43 pm »


Why do you feel the need to argue about everything - I’m clearly making a generic point - it’s patently obvious that we have disposed of more managers in the last two years than ideal and as suggested failure (relegation) has been the outcome.

Just merely pointing out there was a possible contradiction in yr post. Absolutely no argument just merely an opinion!
Report Spam   Logged

2020 Grand National S/S 3rd Place
guest48
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2018, 11:22:57 am »

Does anybody seriously think that it was wrong to sack JFH ? The only argument I can see is that he should have gone sooner.
Report Spam   Logged
Irchy cob
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3828


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2018, 11:30:15 am »

Does anybody seriously think that it was wrong to sack JFH ? The only argument I can see is that he should have gone sooner.

Don’t know - you’d have to ask alton unless he’s on a wind-up.
Report Spam   Logged
guest47
Guest

Badges: (View All)
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2018, 14:54:56 pm »

Don’t know - you’d have to ask alton unless he’s on a wind-up.



I've never specifically said we shouldn't have sacked JFH but he was dealt a mishmash of a squad following the previous sackings. I actually do think it was a mistake to sack Rob Page so early on his contract. He was going through a rough patch but a bit of confidence by KT in his  decision might have meant we would still be in League One right now. The sacking of Edinburg was also premature in my eyes and just seemed a knee jerk reaction to a poor start to the season. These decisions led to a ridiculously large mess of a squad, full of players who happened to have contracts that we couldn't offload. It also meant a good deal of the money that could have been spent on players was used to buy out managers' contracts.
It's ironic we are now putting our faith in a man who was appointed by JFH and was central to decisions from then on. That said I really hope he gets the opportunity to build a coherent squad, something no-one has been given since Wilder. Even he had to resist calls for his sacking in his first full  season, which was always going to be tough following the debacle before he arrived.
My worry is that anything other than a flying start will get the boo boys out again demanding that Austin goes and KT again won't have the confidence to stick to his decision. The management sacking then continues with the inevitable spiral down to the conference.
Report Spam   Logged
Irchy cob
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3828


View Profile
Badges: (View All)
Eighth year Anniversary Combination Topic Starter
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2018, 15:37:43 pm »

I respect your view alton but my measure of what makes a good manager/coach is the way they deal with what they have in terms of personnel and how they adapt/improve them due to their tactical/coaching skills and insights. Arguably none of JED, page or JFH showed any tactical flexibility or actually improved any of the players they had available to them in their time as manager. I genuinely hope that Austin is the coaching genius that we have been looking for and manages to impart his tactical insights on the players but as I’ve said before for better or worse this is a results business and he will live or die by them. Another thing worth bearing in mind is what will happen if KT manages to find a buyer/investor - if he does there’s a good chance they will have their own ideas who they want as manager.
Report Spam   Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by EzPortal
Parental guidance is urged as this messageboard may not be suitable for all persons especially those under the age of 16 as the forums may contain words, phrases and expressions not considered appropriate for a younger audience so please express caution. If any posts in the forums offend you, please let us know and we will look at them and if we agree with your complaint, we will remove them. You are personally responsible and potentially liable for the contents of your posting and may be sued should your posting contain content of a defamatory or other illegal nature. Every message posted leaves a traceable IP number. We check the forums at various times of the day and remove offending posts. Other supporters are welcome but abusive or silly posts will be removed and the offenders potentially barred from future access to the site. We advise that you never reveal any personal information about yourself or anyone else (for example: telephone number, home address or email address), and please do not include postal addresses of any kind. This messageboard is not endorsed or in any way affiliated with Northampton Town FC. All postings on this board become copyright of The Hotel End & may not be reproduced without the permission of the board administrator. By signing up to this message board you agree to this. The Hotel End cannot be held liable for the actions or postings of its members. The Hotel End reserve the right to edit, delete, move or close any thread for any reason. The Hotel End may disclose user information to government authorities at their discretion or when required by law. The Hotel End may also disclose user information when The Hotel End has reason to believe that someone is causing injury to or interference with its rights or property, other The Hotel End users, or anyone else that could be harmed by such activities. By registering for The Hotel End, you agree to indemnify The Hotel End its representatives, and agents, and hold them harmless from any and all claims (including claims for legal fees) which may arise from your participation on the The Hotel End. You also agree that The Hotel End is not responsible for the materials posted by users of The Hotel End. In addition, you grant The Hotel End and its affiliates, worldwide, royalty-free perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display any message or content posted on The Hotel End and/or e-mail sent by you to The Hotel End (in whole or in part). The Hotel End reserves the right to make the rules up as it goes along. Thank you - The Hotel End I love Quidco
Bookmark this site!
Powered by SMF | SMF © 2016, Simple Machines
Privacy Policy