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It's telling you had to go back 14 years to give an example of a team with presumably lesser skills winning games. Euro 2004 was a strange tournament with Germany, Spain and Italy all being knocked out in qualifying stages.
England's loss to Iceland was a freak result, you do know they were thrashed 5-2 by France in their next game? Where was the tactical organisation and team cohesion there?.
Shrewsbury are doing well and good luck to them in the play offs. The rest of the table however is panning out as expected. Before anyone starts making claims about our budgets it's fair to say we were one of the outsiders to win the league - I managed to get 66/1.
I don't want to go overly criticise the players suggested as being our stars but I'm afraid none would attract any clubs with any ambitions in the Championship. Let's face it, no players were poached in the January window.
If a team is not performing then the manager has to make changes in an attempt to stimulate results, this inevitably results in accusations of tinkering. I would suggest that it's not a settled side that gets results but the other way round. It would be interesting to see how many of our managers were responsible for bringing in the various players we have and I bet it's a good three or four. Until we allow a manager the time to build his own squad we will never get the cohesive unit you think you saw at Bury.
So that I make this clear. Your argument shows that you have made crass and arrogant assumptions on the previous poster's comments. This conceited dismissal of other poster's contributions makes your whole argument irrelevant and worthless. Such a shame...... you sometimes have some worthwhile things to say. |
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**** off
Thank you for demonstrating your true colours. Any further interesting observations you feel the need to make? |
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Thank you for demonstrating your true colours.
Any further interesting observations you feel the need to make?
What? i didn't say anything. |
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What? i didn't say anything.
That must be the first time....... |
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Manchester City won the Prem today, without a ball being kicked. Their last game was on Saturday, where they won at Tottenham 3-1. Of the starting 11, 5 were already at the club before Guardiola became manager. Guardiola has been there just shy of 2 years - he joined in summer 2016.
Given the remarkable turn-over of footballers that occur at all clubs, regardless of level, to still have players starting that were signed by previous managers 2 years into role is quite revealing. Especially, given the discussions on how Football Managers build their own teams - a theme that has been occurring in this thread..... Guardiola must have been really lucky that the players he wanted to sign were already at the club.
Sometimes, the exception proves the rule.....
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Oh, and while we're looking at this season, how about Accrington in League 2? Compare their position with that of the big money clubs down there.....(ie, those that take more away (stadiums permitting) than Accrington get at home games).
You could count Wycombe in that group as their gates are well below 5000 and to me clearly punching above their weight. Also AFC Wimbledon are another example. Walsall also exist on relatively small gates and have done well to remain in L1 for a few seasons. There must be more example. |
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It's telling you had to go back 14 years to give an example of a team with presumably lesser skills winning games. Euro 2004 was a strange tournament with Germany, Spain and Italy all being knocked out in qualifying stages.
England's loss to Iceland was a freak result, you do know they were thrashed 5-2 by France in their next game? Where was the tactical organisation and team cohesion there?.
Shrewsbury are doing well and good luck to them in the play offs. The rest of the table however is panning out as expected. Before anyone starts making claims about our budgets it's fair to say we were one of the outsiders to win the league - I managed to get 66/1.
I don't want to go overly criticise the players suggested as being our stars but I'm afraid none would attract any clubs with any ambitions in the Championship. Let's face it, no players were poached in the January window.
If a team is not performing then the manager has to make changes in an attempt to stimulate results, this inevitably results in accusations of tinkering. I would suggest that it's not a settled side that gets results but the other way round. It would be interesting to see how many of our managers were responsible for bringing in the various players we have and I bet it's a good three or four. Until we allow a manager the time to build his own squad we will never get the cohesive unit you think you saw at Bury.
This all seems so obvious, yet people choose not to see it. |
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Manchester City won the Prem today, without a ball being kicked. Their last game was on Saturday, where they won at Tottenham 3-1. Of the starting 11, 5 were already at the club before Guardiola became manager. Guardiola has been there just shy of 2 years - he joined in summer 2016.
Given the remarkable turn-over of footballers that occur at all clubs, regardless of level, to still have players starting that were signed by previous managers 2 years into role is quite revealing. Especially, given the discussions on how Football Managers build their own teams - a theme that has been occurring in this thread..... Guardiola must have been really lucky that the players he wanted to sign were already at the club.
Sometimes, the exception proves the rule.....
That's cute, considering Man City are bankrolled by one of the richest countries on the planet. |
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This is why Bungle is the best poster on this site. Articulate, precise and observant, bravo sir!
Might have been better if Mr Bungle quoted more recent example of the 'over performers'. In the past Cowdenbeath, Rochdale, Lincoln, Bangor and Limerick have also overperformed & some are still are. |
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You could count Wycombe in that group as their gates are well below 5000 and to me clearly punching above their weight. Also AFC Wimbledon are another example. Walsall also exist on relatively small gates and have done well to remain in L1 for a few seasons. There must be more example.
You are right, there's loads of examples of clubs bucking the trend otherwise there would be no point in going to games as we would already know the result. Leicester was a fantastic example of this and was a massive breath of fresh air. However it generally reverts to form and the tables will conform to club wealth. |
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So that I make this clear.
Your argument shows that you have made crass and arrogant assumptions on the previous poster's comments.
This conceited dismissal of other poster's contributions makes your whole argument irrelevant and worthless.
Such a shame...... you sometimes have some worthwhile things to say.
That is certainly OTT; furthermore, you make one or two judgemental comments. Basically, Alton's comments are his 'opinion' and as I am constantly reminded we have to regard these comments as sacrosanct. I have looked at the posts and unable to see crass and arrogant comments you purport too. |
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We defended so deep you could see the piles.
If he defends deep inside his own fricking colon but secures a win v Plymouth..I'm sound with that  |
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If he defends deep inside his own fricking colon but secures a win v Plymouth..I'm sound with that  |
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..... cute......
You do say the nicest things.....  How about Wigan yesterday? 7 of the starting line-up were at the club before Paul Cook arrived last summer. He certainly re-built that team! |
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That is certainly OTT; furthermore, you make one or two judgemental comments. Basically, Alton's comments are his 'opinion' and as I am constantly reminded we have to regard these comments as sacrosanct. I have looked at the posts and unable to see crass and arrogant comments you purport too.
Oh, Mr.Moderator! I didn't know one was not allowed to voice comments on other's posts...... |
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You do say the nicest things..... How about Wigan yesterday? 7 of the starting line-up were at the club before Paul Cook arrived last summer. He certainly re-built that team! Would these be Championship players by any chance? |
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Oh, Mr.Moderator! I didn't know one was not allowed to voice comments on other's posts......
You have missed the point  |
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Would these be Championship players by any chance?
Questions are good! No. The 7 were part of the squad that were relegated from the championship (ie, they are all now League One players - and have been for the best part of a year). Last season, they were booed off the pitch, and were told by the fans that they weren't good enough to wear the shirt. The 4 "new" players yesterday were 1 free transfer from Poxford (obviously Barcelona standard!), 1 free transfer from Orient (who were relegated out of the League), and 2 loanees. I'm all for goal-posts. They are important for a game of football. But, in football, they are in the same place for the duration of the game. |
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You have missed the point I believe you may have missed the barn door...... |
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Ok, lets put the myth that keeping your manger for a lengthy period is the way to success! Championship: 1. Wolves - 318 days 2. Cardiff - 1 year, 191 days 3. Fulham - 2 years, 108 days 4. Aston Villa - 1 year, 184 days 5. Middlesbrough - 109 days 6. Millwall - 3 years, 35 days League1: 1. Wigan - 318 days 2. Blackburn - 1 year, 51 days 3. Shrewsbury - 1 year, 172 days 4. Rotherham - 1 year, 137 days 5. Sc***horpe - 19 days 6. Plymouth - 2 years, 307 days I can't be assed to do loads of other leagues, dinners ready. 3 years my arse! |
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