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DEAR MR THOMAS- More questions than answers?

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« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2018, 22:20:31 pm »

why should the council give him anything when the football club he is using as a means to facilitate his vast gains haven't got a clue as to what is in it for them?
Are you a friend of kelvin on face book by any chance?
Loyal to the very end even to the detriment of the football club you claim to support.
As for rescuing the club from certain doom.. he didn't but prolonging our agony by not selling the club to the like of people who you like to think kelvin is.
No I am not Kelvins friend on facebook never met the man. Why is he to the detriment of the football? And wow didnt know feeling for him was this bad and this strong. I want whats best so if you can show me the error of my way then great. Also if the feeling is that hateful towards the board call for there bloody heads on every game we got left. Just so they know. Also who is trying to buy this club that would be better, please do spill the beans, we'd all like to know???
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« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2018, 23:05:14 pm »

I hoped this thread might be about A question of sport  Cry
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« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2018, 23:22:10 pm »

I hoped this thread might be about A question of sport  Cry
alas not Frank  Cry
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« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2018, 07:35:59 am »

Thomas has increased our budget massively since he took over with increased income from sponsorship etc and has given us probably our biggest ever playing budget this season. You can’t blame him for the stand, he’s trying to sort this with the useless council and it would’ve been sorted ages ago if it wasn’t for the clown in charge before.

But to me we’ve been let down by our recruitment strategy (or lack of) which he openly says he leaves in the hands of the management team. There was zero strategy last summer and it was exactly the same in January. How on Earth is it 2 years since we lost Adams and Holmes and still don’t have any proper quality on the wings? Why are we handing out 2.5+ year contracts to players who can’t get into Rochdale’s / Coventry’s team? Why did we give Hoskin a 2 year contract before Christmas when he wasn’t even playing? It’s all an expensive mess and to me there has to be a better approach to recruitment as it’s probably the most important part of running a football club, and the main reason we’re in the mess we are today

Crazy isnt it!! I thought Jimmy had solved it when we signed Hilda and Ariyibi, but he then proceeded to never play them together at the same time on the wings.
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« Reply #64 on: April 12, 2018, 08:14:38 am »

Crazy isnt it!! I thought Jimmy had solved it when we signed Hilda and Ariyibi, but he then proceeded to never play them together at the same time on the wings.

I think this is what pains me most about this season! Both players looked quality when we got to see them.
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« Reply #65 on: April 12, 2018, 08:42:48 am »

So, Shadowlands let's consider the progress under KT - (1) 3 failed Managers (2) East Stand progress (3) 5USport (4) Relegation.


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« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2018, 08:49:11 am »

why should the council give him anything when the football club he is using as a means to facilitate his vast gains haven't got a clue as to what is in it for them?
Are you a friend of kelvin on face book by any chance?
Loyal to the very end even to the detriment of the football club you claim to support.
As for rescuing the club from certain doom.. he didn't but prolonging our agony by not selling the club to the like of people who you like to think kelvin is.


I am surprised that the Admin allow such anti KT comments as this. It’s almost as if Beds is begging for a libel case to be filed against him. The least Beds should do is apologise to Shadowstorm for his personal comments.
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« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2018, 08:52:08 am »

Vintage Cobbler - You forgot (5) We wouldn't have a football club if it wasn't for Thomas and Bower.
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« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2018, 09:17:22 am »

No I am not Kelvins friend on facebook never met the man. Why is he to the detriment of the football? And wow didnt know feeling for him was this bad and this strong. I want whats best so if you can show me the error of my way then great. Also if the feeling is that hateful towards the board call for there bloody heads on every game we got left. Just so they know. Also who is trying to buy this club that would be better, please do spill the beans, we'd all like to know???

The perspective towards KT and the board are being expressed by two or three only on this board, maybe with a couple more silent observers.
It isn't bad and it isn't strong, aside from those vociferous few led by a coward who insists on running away from any sort of direct or indirect confrontation/correspondence between himself and KT to confirm or deny his accusations/allegations.
When those accusations/allegations become libellous or require legal intervention, KT and the board already know who and where the individual is.
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« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2018, 10:59:37 am »

I think this is what pains me most about this season! Both players looked quality when we got to see them.

100% agree with this. I had a pang of optimism in January that we might start seeing a bit of pace, a bit of flair, a bit of invention and a bit of width. I was very very wrong Sad
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« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2018, 11:21:33 am »

 >:Deepcut, isnt calling someone a coward, libellous?
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« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2018, 11:37:02 am »

>:Deepcut, isnt calling someone a coward, libellous?

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« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2018, 11:47:21 am »

>:Deepcut, isnt calling someone a coward, libellous?

Only you could make a comment like that. Random by name and Random by nature.
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« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2018, 15:33:14 pm »

The comments about the chairman not interfering with the manager do not sit very well with me.

The chairman should be assessing the characters of potential signing and providing necessary due diligence to ensure it benefits the club. The majority of players that have come into this club over the last two years have had completely the wrong profile. He says about undertaking a review of this season and our transfer business should be top of the agenda. Any potential signing should follow a recruitment similar to the following:

1) Identify which positions are required
2) Draw up list of suitable candidates
3) Have players scouted by the club and independently
4) Interrogate CV's and reasoning behind any mitigating circumstances
5) Interview player to ascertain mindset 
6) Thorough investigation into injury / fitness record
7) Thorough investigation into disciplinary record
Cool Seek references from former clubs / officials / players / media

The fact is our chairman isn't a football person and until we have someone in charge who is we will continue to fluctuate between the lower leagues. I suspect he hasn't got the hunger or the interest and is happy for the manager to do all this work. Personally I wouldn't be against having a Director of Football type role and have first team coach to manage and focus full time on the playing / tactics aspect because the traditional set up of the last 3 appointments have been a disaster and Wilder is a once in a generation type appointment.
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« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2018, 15:44:40 pm »

That all makes perfect sense Poggy, recruitment should definitely be looked at.

However, I'd be willing to bet that, if we did have a system like that in place and a sacked manager complained about being blocked from signing 'player x' or 'player y', there would be a good few on here who would jump on that and criticise Thomas for interfering with the manager. It's a difficult line to navigate.
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« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2018, 19:01:02 pm »

I doubt very much that Cardoza assessed the character of any of CW's signings and I think Chris would have told him that that was a managers job.
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« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2018, 19:32:50 pm »

Dear me.
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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2018, 07:05:09 am »

That all makes perfect sense Poggy, recruitment should definitely be looked at.

However, I'd be willing to bet that, if we did have a system like that in place and a sacked manager complained about being blocked from signing 'player x' or 'player y', there would be a good few on here who would jump on that and criticise Thomas for interfering with the manager. It's a difficult line to navigate.
You don’t necessarily need to interfere with the manager, just make sure he is doing his job properly by making sure when he wants to sign a player he has completed the research adequately? In other words KTs job is to make sure the manager is doing his job.
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« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2018, 08:10:40 am »

You don’t necessarily need to interfere with the manager, just make sure he is doing his job properly by making sure when he wants to sign a player he has completed the research adequately? In other words KTs job is to make sure the manager is doing his job.

I do take the point but I'm just playing devils advocate slightly. Let's take the example of Berto. Let's say Kelvin asked Jimmy for all he due diligence on him and Jimmy duly delivered a report to the chairman. Obviously there are a lot of possibilities at this point but let's pretend there are two scenarios;

1) Jimmy knows Berto has a questionable temperament but really believes he could be the spark that saves his job, so he "enhances" the report a little. Kelvin checks and see's nothing to concern him so sanctions the signing. He's done what you suggest and we've signed him.

2) Kelvin gets an independent report on Berto, see's the red flags (cards) and refuses Jimmy permission to sign him. We get relegated, Jimmy gets sacked. Jimmy leaks it to his friends in the press that he had lined up Berto's signing but was vetoed by the club. It is picked up on here, Berto is researched, get's a glowing reference from Forest fans. We've gone down in a defensive whimper and we see this cult hero, creative winger that our manager wanted but our chairman wouldn't let him.

In scenario 1, we are where we are today and the Chairman is blamed for not making sure the manager is doing his job. Scenario 2, the chairman is blamed for not backing the manager.

I know I am reaching a little bit here but I'm sure you can see how both ways of working would be spun on here.

Maybe a Director of Football is the way to go, but then who decides the signings? If we repeated this season would we sack the DoF and keep the manager? Melville (rightly) gets a lot of stick on here but how many of our signings were decided by him or is he just out scouting the managers targets & making recommendations to the manager?
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« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2018, 08:28:13 am »

Melville (rightly) gets a lot of stick on here but how many of our signings were decided by him or is he just out scouting the managers targets & making recommendations to the manager?

Would be interesting to know, we have made a lot of dud signings in the last two seasons.

We have also made a few good ones though, even if the bad outweigh these.
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