Mathius
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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2018, 14:06:05 pm » |
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Good response from, KT. We have been through rough times before and I still think the future's bright. Too many on here have been holding the owners responsible for NBC's inertia. I'm grateful the owners continue to give us something to moan about.
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EssTeeFree
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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2018, 14:16:10 pm » |
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Players will go where they think is best for them at that stage in their career.
If they are past it / not really good enough they go where they will get the best money / security - see Van Bleeding Useless (which we are fantastic at attracting)
If you are young and want to develop with the aim to play as high as possible you go to a club that has a manager that will improve and play you - see Roofe at Oxford (we don't attract or buy any of these types of players - I wonder why)
I think this is generally spot on but you mention Roofe with a very large dollop of hindsight. I can't remember much clamour for his signature when he went to Oxford. It was said on here several times in the past couple of seasons that we shouldn't be signing players from Prem academies as they are too lightweight/pampered and can't play at this level. Oxford have signed quite a few young players from Prem sides with very mixed results, Posh have done similar with non-league players. You have to throw a lot of s*** at the wall in the hope that one eventually sticks and you profit from it. I'm not sure the appetite would be there for this amongst our fans. Maybe I'm wrong.
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guest2487
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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2018, 14:26:20 pm » |
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Yup but surely it's something that owners in it for the long haul would start dealing with on day one? A football club is about far more than keeping things ticking over and getting the East Stand finish. This is one of the biggest frustrations.
We also need clarity on whether the East Stand works are dependent on Thomas/Bower accessing land around the stadium or is it private money (4 million was it mentioned?).
I don't disagree for what it is worth.
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guest168
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« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2018, 15:03:02 pm » |
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Actually you are wrong re Roofe, they had him on loan and faced quite a bit of competition to sign him, but went there as they looked after him before.
The point is that yes no-one really knows if a player will deliver or not, much much more chance if you think player is on an upward curve rather than downward.
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guest168
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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2018, 15:05:19 pm » |
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Mathius - or is it Mr Shaq?
You are kidding right? or hows the weather right now at Sixfields
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Mathius
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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2018, 15:21:27 pm » |
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No need for that, Random.
Yours Faithfully
Mathius Thomas
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EssTeeFree
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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2018, 15:26:48 pm » |
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Actually you are wrong re Roofe, they had him on loan and faced quite a bit of competition to sign him, but went there as they looked after him before.
The point is that yes no-one really knows if a player will deliver or not, much much more chance if you think player is on an upward curve rather than downward.
Fair enough, obviously my memory is playing up. I agree with you, I think there is certainly room for us to take a couple of younger players from higher up the ladder every season. I think our fans have been burnt by the likes of Hanley and some of the loans we have "enjoyed" the last couple of seasons that they might not be so receptive. Would a young player get enough leeway from the stands to grow if they aren't from our academy in your opinion?
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« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2018, 15:29:40 pm » |
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Thank you very much for the response Kelvin.
Obviously I was hoping for a statement saying the Council had resolved all the issues and you were going ahead in the summer with expanding the stadium to 20K, with extra facilities. Plus doubling the playing budget for the new manager, so he can sign young, pacey prospects for next season!!!
BUT as a Cobblers supporter of 51 years I've seen a range of teams and administrations and with that experience I wish to say thank you Mr Thomas for your prompt answers, plus I understand your current viewpoint.
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Wolvo
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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2018, 16:13:13 pm » |
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Fair enough, obviously my memory is playing up.
I agree with you, I think there is certainly room for us to take a couple of younger players from higher up the ladder every season. I think our fans have been burnt by the likes of Hanley and some of the loans we have "enjoyed" the last couple of seasons that they might not be so receptive. Would a young player get enough leeway from the stands to grow if they aren't from our academy in your opinion?
But we get terrible players on loan like Roofe. Where as Oxford get players on loan like Roofe. Shows how lucky you have to be with your timing.
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guest168
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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2018, 16:53:55 pm » |
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I think fans would buy into a complete story / picture of a club trying to move forward and having players / manager / owners etc all trying to achieve progress
Many fans buy into our current owner with no medium term vision batting away genuine questions with no real answers, that seems to get lapped up by many
Certainly true timing / luck is very important but the harder you work the luckier you get.
As someone else posted there must be a reason we have never sold a player for big big money.
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cobblergaz59
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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2018, 17:08:25 pm » |
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As someone else posted there must be a reason we have never sold a player for big big money.
Mainly because if someone offered a fiver we'd snatch their hands off
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Vintage Cobbler
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« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2018, 17:39:48 pm » |
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The spin machine that is KT in full swing I see above but, as usual, nothing of any substance written. Some of you are so easily pleased.
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Shadowstorm
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« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2018, 18:15:07 pm » |
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The spin machine that is KT in full swing I see above but, as usual, nothing of any substance written. Some of you are so easily pleased.
seriously, I cant believe thats there is still those who think we are being BS'd. These answers were fair and about write considering where we are and how much of the season is left. Yes the council are delaying thing but as the saying goes 'once bitten twice shy' so who can blame them. If your that bothered by the so called 'spin' vintage then I suggest that you dig deep in your pocket and buy the club to run it the way you think fit. Otherwise stop complaining. I personnally feel KT is doing a good job of running the club off the field. We just need to deal with on it as that has gone horribly wrong and start once CW left. Sorr for the rant but Im frustrated too but am old enough and wise enough to let things run there course, there will be a time and place to raise these point after the Oldham game.
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« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2018, 18:28:28 pm » |
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So, Shadowlands let's consider the progress under KT - (1) 3 failed Managers (2) East Stand progress (3) 5USport (4) Relegation.
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« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2018, 19:09:43 pm » |
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So, Shadowlands let's consider the progress under KT - (1) 3 failed Managers (2) East Stand progress (3) 5USport (4) Relegation.
Yeah....but what about the GamesZone?? Progress surely?!
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Shadowstorm
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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2018, 19:50:01 pm » |
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So, Shadowlands let's consider the progress under KT - (1) 3 failed Managers (2) East Stand progress (3) 5USport (4) Relegation.
ok 1. Point taken, 2 not his fault its the council who are stalling, 3 disappointed about 5USport but will reserve judgement, would love to know exactly what financial restrictions actually means 4 yes true but he did over see a promotion and rescue the club from certain doom.
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cobbler_rob
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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2018, 20:56:36 pm » |
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Thomas has increased our budget massively since he took over with increased income from sponsorship etc and has given us probably our biggest ever playing budget this season. You can’t blame him for the stand, he’s trying to sort this with the useless council and it would’ve been sorted ages ago if it wasn’t for the clown in charge before.
But to me we’ve been let down by our recruitment strategy (or lack of) which he openly says he leaves in the hands of the management team. There was zero strategy last summer and it was exactly the same in January. How on Earth is it 2 years since we lost Adams and Holmes and still don’t have any proper quality on the wings? Why are we handing out 2.5+ year contracts to players who can’t get into Rochdale’s / Coventry’s team? Why did we give Hoskin a 2 year contract before Christmas when he wasn’t even playing? It’s all an expensive mess and to me there has to be a better approach to recruitment as it’s probably the most important part of running a football club, and the main reason we’re in the mess we are today
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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2018, 21:18:36 pm » |
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Thomas is the face......Bower has increased the budget.
You can't keep blaming the council!! The Council are not holding up completion of the East Stand. If the owners had the money they could build it now, rebuild it now, do whatever they wanted to do with it now......without any alterations needed to any of the leases. (That's what i'm led to believe)
The Council may be holding up the redevelopment by not sorting the leases out....which will hand them over to NTFC/Ventures/Belle De Jour to sell off, and then use the money from those sales to finish off the East, redevelop the ground.
We were told that finances were available, right from the outset, right from the time Thomas and Co took over, to complete the East Stand........barring putting the plastic seats back in what has been done??
Yes, the Council were stung big time by Cardoza/Grossman/County Group whatever, and that is no fault of the present incumbents....granted.
I find it a little concerning when KT says that we are waiting for the Council to sort out the lease issue, yet at the same time he says there are no plans to increase capacity as there is no business case to do so at this time.
So what exactly are we waiting for the Council to help us do?? Seems to me its handing over some land so that we can get the 18 boxes built........and that's it!
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« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2018, 21:48:43 pm » |
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ok 1. Point taken, 2 not his fault its the council who are stalling, 3 disappointed about 5USport but will reserve judgement, would love to know exactly what financial restrictions actually means 4 yes true but he did over see a promotion and rescue the club from certain doom.
why should the council give him anything when the football club he is using as a means to facilitate his vast gains haven't got a clue as to what is in it for them? Are you a friend of kelvin on face book by any chance? Loyal to the very end even to the detriment of the football club you claim to support. As for rescuing the club from certain doom.. he didn't but prolonging our agony by not selling the club to the like of people who you like to think kelvin is.
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