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DEAR MR THOMAS- More questions than answers?

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« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2018, 09:38:28 am »

Vintage Cobbler - You forgot (5) We wouldn't have a football club if it wasn't for Thomas and Bower.

I am not ungrateful and I have previously recognised their significant contribution but, as I have previously posted, you can't dine out on this for ever.  Let's not forget they bought the club cheaply and on the back of certain promises.  We are going backwards and downwards under the current ownership on and off the pitch.  My 4 major criticisms stand up to the test.  What worries me is just how complacent many supporters seem to be about the situation.
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« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2018, 10:08:07 am »

I like to think it's patience rather than complacency. We know what a minefield was left by Cardoza and his 40 thieves. Hopefully, time will prove me correct and not yourself VC, but I will acknowledge my naivety if I'm incorrect.   
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« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2018, 10:50:12 am »

Apart from the East Stand , although that is a major issue, Cardoza cannot be blamed for the present situation of the club. The buck has to stop with the current owners.
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« Reply #83 on: April 13, 2018, 11:03:53 am »

I am not ungrateful and I have previously recognised their significant contribution but, as I have previously posted, you can't dine out on this for ever.  Let's not forget they bought the club cheaply and on the back of certain promises.  We are going backwards and downwards under the current ownership on and off the pitch.  My 4 major criticisms stand up to the test.  What worries me is just how complacent many supporters seem to be about the situation.

Not necessarily complacency, just an understanding and acceptance of the many times that we have been through this scenario before over the decades.
The majority of us have (probably) become immune to any genuine expression of shock and/or emotional outpouring that is normally expected if and when we are eventually relegated from this division.
If we were involved in the next level of relegation (to the conference) I believe that the perceived complacency would be totally different.

I am going tomorrow, but it will be no worse that the years stood on the Spion Kop/Hotel End at the County Ground throughout the majority of the seventies when we used to go through habit or because there was nothing better to do.  It was never in anticipation of anything positive, just hopeful that we were successfully re-elected each season and/or that there may be something special and we didn't really want to miss it (Bournemouth 6-0 etc...).
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2018, 11:14:24 am »

I go back longer to the Bowen years and have been a season ticket holder at the County Ground and ever since the move to Sixfields.  We can and should be much higher on the football ladder with the town's population and catchment area. Owners rely on the quiet acceptance of things are as they are and get away with it.  Some of the views expressed on this site are music to KT's ears.  What our club has lacked down all these years are owners with deep pockets ready and willing to invest heavily in the club on and off the pitch. Because of this history keeps repeating itself. Other towns smaller than Northampton consistently do better than us and there is no reason we should not be competing at their level. Supporters can and should be more vociferous to change the depressing status quo.
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« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2018, 11:35:02 am »

I go back longer to the Bowen years and have been a season ticket holder at the County Ground and ever since the move to Sixfields.  We can and should be much higher on the football ladder with the town's population and catchment area. Owners rely on the quiet acceptance of things are as they are and get away with it.  Some of the views expressed on this site are music to KT's ears.  What our club has lacked down all these years are owners with deep pockets ready and willing to invest heavily in the club on and off the pitch. Because of this history keeps repeating itself. Other towns smaller than Northampton consistently do better than us and there is no reason we should not be competing at their level. Supporters can and should be more vociferous to change the depressing status quo.

Exactly. So until such time as we get a sugar daddy to finance us we unfortunately have no other option but to suck it up.
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2018, 12:09:43 pm »

Exactly. So until such time as we get a sugar daddy to finance us we unfortunately have no other option but to suck it up.

doesn't mean we can't wish/dream/hope!!

But you are right...money talks.....and every season more money is needed to keep up with the big boys!
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2018, 16:59:05 pm »

There is absolutely no reason we cant crowd fund the expansion of the south stand.
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« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2018, 17:21:31 pm »

There is absolutely no reason we cant crowd fund the expansion of the south stand.

Off you go then.
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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2018, 17:26:26 pm »

There is absolutely no reason we cant crowd fund the expansion of the south stand.

With all due respect. What would posses any of us to crowd fund a stand that none of us will get the slightest benefit from? 
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« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2018, 17:30:17 pm »

With all due respect. What would posses any of us to crowd fund a stand that none of us will get the slightest benefit from? 

Theres more chance of us getting to crowd fund a stand that no sod is gonna sit in than getting KT to build us a stand!  Grin Grin
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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2018, 17:37:35 pm »

There is absolutely no reason we cant crowd fund the expansion of the south stand.


We couldn't crowd fund some new goal nets.
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« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2018, 19:07:58 pm »

OK INFRASRUCTURE BOND.
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« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2018, 19:51:55 pm »

With all due respect. What would posses any of us to crowd fund a stand that none of us will get the slightest benefit from? 

Fair point. Would have to be done to finish the job so to speak by fans feeling generous. Be interested to see the costs according to Ballast Nedham's plans.
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« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2018, 20:08:21 pm »

For a minute, lets take away the last 15 years when the club has been owned by land obsessed 'investors'.

Lets just say for a minute we…the fans…had raised just 125k a year by bonds etc. And 125k a year had been put aside from the playing budget. Thats million plus interest…for argument sake lets say 3.5 million.

You'd only need 500 people putting in 200quid a year each to hit 100k. Im sure 10% of our fan base would 'buy into' something that had a real 'end goal' to it.

Of course this cannot happen when the club is owned 'by investors'. Of course the big benefit of an 'investor' is that they have a big wedge of cash to bring to the party to cover financial outlays that are not budgeted for. The only problem we've had is that neither of our last two 'investors' (unless you consider the Chinese overspend) appear to have 'invested' much! KT and co (like DC before them) did bring money to the party initially though to pay bills that the fans couldn't. Or the previous owner couldn't! for different reasons!!)

Id argue that a fresh start is needed unless KT and his fellow director/s reassure the fans quickly that they have positive plans for us. And by reassurance, Id like to see actual 'plans', not opened ended answers to closed questions. Personally Ive had enough of spin now!

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« Reply #95 on: April 18, 2018, 02:39:15 am »

There is absolutely no reason we cant crowd fund the expansion of the south stand.
crowd funding is successful for projects where people perceive a great social need or alternatively see a prize opportunity of jumping onto something that will do well commercially and thus give them back more than their original stake. Trying to fund an expansion to South stand  would fulfil neither of these criteria at this moment.
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« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2018, 06:22:43 am »

crowd funding is successful for projects where people perceive a great social need or alternatively see a prize opportunity of jumping onto something that will do well commercially and thus give them back more than their original stake. Trying to fund an expansion to South stand  would fulfil neither of these criteria at this moment.
would it have 20 years ago?
What about in 20 years time?
Doing nothing these past 20 years really hasn't benefited either but infact sent us backwards.
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« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2018, 06:56:34 am »

With the onset of relegation and Thomas highlighting again that building up our club over a period of time is not on his agenda, it may soon become time to ask him to sell up to allow our club the chance to grow its support base by 3000 plus quadruple our commercial  viability and most importantly  be competitive in league 1.

If we go back down to league 2, and NBC see fit to not hand over the valuble land leases to an organisation who on my opinion have used our club only as a means to an end, then there can be no justification for them to continue here.
We've just been unlucky that the land our club stands on, the very thing that should give us the possibility to grow has in fact been a millstone around our necks by those seeking vast personal gains from free land.

Lets hope its not too late and NBC havn't  handed over the land unconditionally thinking their football club will greatly benefit, when it quite clearly wont.



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« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2018, 07:42:59 am »

It would make more sense to crowd fund the North Stand using mini bonds from Tifosy, that route could also be taken to finish the East possibly.

There are also grants don't forget to pick up the slack.

When people say that no-one will contribute to something they don't get anything back on I'd say it's untrue. Norwich fans crowd funded a new academy for the club using Tifosy. There are various benefits that come with Tifosy. Stevenage fans received 4-8% interest along with other perks for crowd funding their new stand.

https://www.tifosy.com/en/campaigns/standing-shoulder-to-shoulder-to-build-a-new-north-stand

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« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2018, 08:13:00 am »

.....When people say that no-one will contribute to something they don't get anything back on I'd say it's untrue. Norwich fans crowd funded a new academy for the club using Tifosy. There are various benefits that come with Tifosy. Stevenage fans received 4-8% interest along with other perks for crowd funding their new stand.

https://www.tifosy.com/en/campaigns/standing-shoulder-to-shoulder-to-build-a-new-north-stand


You state one thing and then provide two examples of the opposite?
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