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« Reply #200 on: May 14, 2018, 16:17:56 pm »

Hopefully, Alexander will sign him for Salford, as he's stated he's not a L2 player!  Grin
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« Reply #201 on: May 14, 2018, 16:34:23 pm »

Sorry my friend - you are naive one and like some fans actually know very little about the psychology of some (not necessarily all players) - would it surprise you for example that in lower divisions there are a significant number of players in any squad that don’t want to be involved in play offs? - it probably does because a fan’s relationship with their club is completely different to that of a paid member of staff - and before you start your response (typically ignoring anything that does not suit your argument) I’m not talking about all players but they are present in most clubs to have signicance - bottomline here is if we as fans see a player who is paid well giving halfhearted performances when other players give 100% then fans are untitled to make comments because that player is cheating both the fans and the players that care - it may be a popular view because it probably true!

That's a pretty bold statement, especially when you claim it's a significant number. I take it you have figures to back this up?
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« Reply #202 on: May 14, 2018, 20:02:00 pm »

That's a pretty bold statement, especially when you claim it's a significant number. I take it you have figures to back this up?

No figures (so you have every right to be cynical) - but close enough to the dressing room of several professional football clubs in the last 20 years to know not all players have the same level of dedication as fans
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« Reply #203 on: May 14, 2018, 20:35:56 pm »

That's a pretty bold statement, especially when you claim it's a significant number. I take it you have figures to back this up?

If you have a squad of 26, realistically around 14 players will play and also benefit from appearance bonuses.

The other 12 players will be having to do a couple weeks more training with no benefit to themselves what so ever (and at this level, probably out of contract in the summer). So I think it makes sense a good number of players won't be too bothered.
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« Reply #204 on: May 15, 2018, 12:12:23 pm »

As with any walk in life, you always find some more motivated than others.

However, if I were a fringe player looking to break through I'd be MORE motivated to train on, not less. After last season, anyone still with a contract who wasn't involved so much, will never have a better chance of getting a game, surely. And those who did feature have a lot to prove now....

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« Reply #205 on: July 23, 2018, 09:46:04 am »

Scunny fan here in peace!  Grin

I totally get the (100's) of comments about KVV, he really split opinion at Glanford Park too.
On his day he was unplayable and looked every part a Premiership player, ghosting past players, able to play a killer ball and shooting ability right from the top drawer, but when he was off it, he was awful, can't head the ball, can't tackle and appeared lazy.
I was in the camp of 'we know what he is, accept the fact that he won't run around for 90 minutes, BUT, he can turn a game in a moment'. He did so many times for us at the top end of L1.
The other camp thought that he was lazy and not worth the rest of the team carrying him.

If he is fit, and interested, he will without doubt terrorise League 2 defenses and could quite likely fire you back into League 1. He does have an amazing talent.
I get that he has pissed you all off, but you might just have a diamond on your hands.

Good luck for the season ahead and look forward to playing you next year (we aren't going up anytime soon!)
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« Reply #206 on: July 23, 2018, 09:55:25 am »

Scunny fan here in peace!  Grin

I totally get the (100's) of comments about KVV, he really split opinion at Glanford Park too.
On his day he was unplayable and looked every part a Premiership player, ghosting past players, able to play a killer ball and shooting ability right from the top drawer, but when he was off it, he was awful, can't head the ball, can't tackle and appeared lazy.
I was in the camp of 'we know what he is, accept the fact that he won't run around for 90 minutes, BUT, he can turn a game in a moment'. He did so many times for us at the top end of L1.
The other camp thought that he was lazy and not worth the rest of the team carrying him.

If he is fit, and interested, he will without doubt terrorise League 2 defenses and could quite likely fire you back into League 1. He does have an amazing talent.
I get that he has pissed you all off, but you might just have a diamond on your hands.

Good luck for the season ahead and look forward to playing you next year (we aren't going up anytime soon!)

Thanks for your comments and I really hope you're right.

The question is, if you had the opportunity would you have him back, or were you glad when he went?
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« Reply #207 on: July 23, 2018, 10:19:42 am »

To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.
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« Reply #208 on: July 23, 2018, 11:31:52 am »

To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.

Trouble is we haven't yet seen the good side of him!

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« Reply #209 on: July 23, 2018, 11:33:29 am »

To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.

Thanks and good luck in the coming season.
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« Reply #210 on: July 23, 2018, 12:02:16 pm »

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« Reply #211 on: July 23, 2018, 13:08:44 pm »

The problem with Hasselbaink is that as a formerly technically-gifted player himself he prioritised technical ability over absolutely everything else: workrate, pressing ability, stamina etc.

KVV was signed and selected on the basis of his technical attributes without any real thought about the impact on the balance of the team. Other players such as Grimes and Pereira we also selected on technical ability alone without any real consideration of their offensive or defensive contribution.

If he stays - and I still think it's a massive if - then KVV could still come good if he was played in a clear system with industrious and athletic players around him.
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« Reply #212 on: July 23, 2018, 13:19:01 pm »

The problem with Hasselbaink is that as a formerly technically-gifted player himself he prioritised technical ability over absolutely everything else: workrate, pressing ability, stamina etc.

KVV was signed and selected on the basis of his technical attributes without any real thought about the impact on the balance of the team. Other players such as Grimes and Pereira we also selected on technical ability alone without any real consideration of their offensive or defensive contribution.

If he stays - and I still think it's a massive if - then KVV could still come good if he was played in a clear system with industrious and athletic players around him.

As usual a good post - I was no fan of the effort KVV showed and would not excuse that solely on a possible injury because the lack of interest was palpable - however I too think he could come good in the right set up at this level..

As an aside can the mods not rename the thread - Some of the emotional malice at the time of relegation was understandable but we should now move forward and not subject one of our players to an abusive thread title.
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« Reply #213 on: July 23, 2018, 13:28:49 pm »

As usual a good post - I was no fan of the effort KVV showed and would not excuse that solely on a possible injury because the lack of interest was palpable - however I too think he could come good in the right set up at this level..

As an aside can the mods not rename the thread - Some of the emotional malice at the time of relegation was understandable but we should now move forward and not subject one of our players to an abusive thread title.

Fair post.

A clean slate for all...
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« Reply #214 on: July 23, 2018, 14:02:18 pm »

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« Reply #215 on: July 23, 2018, 14:59:38 pm »

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« Reply #216 on: July 23, 2018, 15:25:18 pm »

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« Reply #217 on: July 23, 2018, 15:55:28 pm »

You get the impression from club pics over the summer that KVV hasn't made as many friends as he might have. I wonder if that's why he looks often looks glum? Footballers are people at the end of the day and if you are popular around your workplace then its going to lift your mood and probably improve performance on the pitch too.


Here's hoping Kev can score a few in the first few weeks and settle in a bit more!
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« Reply #218 on: July 23, 2018, 16:38:51 pm »

You get the impression from club pics over the summer that KVV hasn't made as many friends as he might have. I wonder if that's why he looks often looks glum? Footballers are people at the end of the day and if you are popular around your workplace then its going to lift your mood and probably improve performance on the pitch too.


Here's hoping Kev can score a few in the first few weeks and settle in a bit more!

Maybe he concentrates when going about his business in his workplace......life and soul of the party when away from it.
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« Reply #219 on: July 23, 2018, 17:52:56 pm »

To be honest, I would have him back, but for every one that would, there would be one that wouldn't! He was a bit of a cult figure.
He really did divide opinion, but for me, the good, and it really was good, was worth the frustration of the bad.

He will never run around for 90 minutes, that's not his game, but he does have the ability to change any game in a flick, defence splitting pass or unstoppable shot from 25 yards out.
If you can accept the bad, you'll marvel at the good.

If he's fit and motivated, after a dozen or so games this thread might read quite differently.
The problem with the kind of footballer he is, is that he needs players around him at a similar level. It's no good him playing balls and finding positions and making runs that no one else in the side reads. We had a similar problem with Matty Taylor two seasons ago, no one else had a footballing brain anywhere near as quick as his.
It's also overlooked that VV was injured for some of his time with us last season. In addition, had he converted at Walsall towards the death before we went 1-0 down with an attempt with his back to goal and our season turned out differently, he'd be seen completely differently by the majority.
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