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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2018, 13:22:25 pm »

Haven't got time to go into whole planning document but CDNL named on huge Cardoza mixed use planning application for land behind Sixfields.

http://planning.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/planning/search-applications?civica.query.FullTextSearch=Sixfields#DOC?DocNo=4387172

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2018, 13:23:10 pm »

Why would it be a lever? As previously said, I don't think the council care either way.

Please consider the words I used - it was a perception and to me seemed an attempt to get a reaction from the Council on the lease.
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2018, 13:27:30 pm »

Time for the keyboard owners to step up ......I

Alfred as a matter of interest who are these keyboard owners. Is this a play on words?
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2018, 13:31:44 pm »

Alfred as a matter of interest who are these keyboard owners. Is this a play on words?

i assume he means anyone who has gone on about how easy it is to get the infrastructure and east stand development sorted, and that there is people with money out there who would come and do it at the drop of a hat..................according to them.

or the people who some how thought the trust had enough money to take over the club and do it all.

or the people who are happy enough to tell the current owners how to spend their money without having the balls or money to stand up and do it themselves.

any of those - they aren't all beds either!!
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2018, 13:39:50 pm »

Nothing new here, the club is and always has been up for sale if someone came along willing to buy, this is a move to go public to try and force the councils hand

I agree with this - I don’t think any of could say that we are particularly surprised by this announcement, cue another round of tit for tat between KT and the council.
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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2018, 13:41:41 pm »


As Drilling says, cant we just go back to talking about the football club rather than NYFC being something attached to a lease/land fiasco.


Which totally resonates what I have tried to say for ages now. For those that think that KT was going to build anything without a significant return. Well... You know that's madness. And for those that don't believe there is corruption at the council. Well... You know that is madness as well.

I have fought tooth and nail (and I deal with the very people who say yes and no down there) to say you are better off going back to basics. Either go for the football and your team, or not at all. You will never in a million years permeate this mess. I was in the throes of getting onto the Trust about their meeting with the council, until got some feedback from a member of the council about the meeting. Suffice to say, it was the final nail in the coffin for me giving a shyte about the redevelopment. The Trust for me should have put their cards on the table before every meeting and stated that anything said to them, must be done so on the understanding that they will produce minutes. But the Trust is totally honest in their attempt to mediate. Christians in with Lions IMO. The council is imploding. And in this case, the truth genuinely has been the first casualty. Having said that. I have no allegiance. One side I deal with frequently, the other I have only met once.

But this is NTFC. Enough said....  
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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2018, 13:48:13 pm »

... I never expected them to bend over backwards again to help out more property/land developers.

Just on this bit, why do you say Thomas is asking the council to bend over backwards to help?

I ask this full in the knowledge I am probably being naïve and understand we have only heard one side of the story. From the clubs statement it the two conflicting leases have slightly different ownership; 1) Owned solely by Thomas and Bower 2) Owned by the club, of which Thomas and Bower are majority shareholders but several other parties have a stake. The club are asking for the council to help dissolve lease 1)...the one solely owned by Thomas and Bower. I'm sure there are many reasons to be cautious of our owners motives but I'd be more worried if they wanted lease 2 dissolved, i.e. they got control of the land themselves rather than the club.

I also don't see why the thought is there that the council will have to bend over backwards or are handing anything to Thomas and Bower, if anything they'll be taking something away.

I'm sure I've got it completely wrong somewhere but to be honest I cannot pick through the information available to understand all this, as others seem to have, it is way above my pay grade!
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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2018, 13:52:19 pm »

My understanding is that the CDNL lease has differing/restrictive limitations for any future development and require the councils agreement to change in alignment with the NTFC owned land?
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« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2018, 14:15:08 pm »

Oh the joys!

Not completely sure what to make of it having only just read the statement but from first viewing it looks like there are blockers in the council preventing KT and co from moving on the development of the East Stand. Will await the council's side of things but assuming it's a lot more complicated than I've read it to be!

As others have said, this is all a huge sideshow to what should be the most important thing - what happens on the pitch and our connection to it, not who gets rich from building around that.
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« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2018, 14:23:38 pm »

I have read it as a way to see if he can force NBC arm to speed up the red tape they seem to be stuck behind, or pure incompetence.

He wont just drop us and leave, we will be ok as we are, we wouldnt be signing players if there was issues.

 I happen to think that even if this sorts the the lease situation he is still looking for exit strategy, if he had the lease sorted he would probably have a better hand if selling.
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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2018, 14:31:11 pm »

I agree with much of what's been posted so far.

Not much has changed in KT and DB's attitudes to selling - they would always have listened to offers. I think KT has even said as much, before and after the Chinese chapter.

Without knowing or understanding every detail, it feels possible that KT/DB have simply used this as a means to go public with their frustrations. They needed a reason to say the things they've now said about the council.
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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2018, 14:36:00 pm »

i assume he means anyone who has gone on about how easy it is to get the infrastructure and east stand development sorted, and that there is people with money out there who would come and do it at the drop of a hat..................according to them.

or the people who some how thought the trust had enough money to take over the club and do it all.

or the people who are happy enough to tell the current owners how to spend their money without having the balls or money to stand up and do it themselves.

any of those - they aren't all beds either!!


Possibly the second ‘or’ .......comment!
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« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2018, 14:37:31 pm »

With the likelihood of major changes in council structures across all boroughs plus the county council I’d imagine a lot of senior people in these authorities are most likely bricking it and or positioning themselves for an exit or how to hold on.

 Where that leaves these sorts of decisions in the hierarchy god only knows.

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« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2018, 14:50:19 pm »

...before Terry Hamster locks it!  Wink


.....you are miffed only because you didn't get the last word on our last exchange  Grin
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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2018, 14:56:28 pm »

First and foremost NBC need to fulfil an already made promise and sign the necessary document. They (as well as NCC) are a totally inadequate bunch of toss-pots who get their thrills by annoying the maximum number of voters who then reward them by voting them back in! Stupidity at all levels. FURTHER the statement by Kelvin Thomas that he's considering selling-up his group's tranche of shares should also ring alarm bells - my guess is that it may be more than simple leverage to try to persuade NBC to pull their fingers out - it could indicate that his group have looked at the financial future and want to get their cash out before it devalues. Worrying times!

I tend to agree that this is more than just a gesture - I sincerely hope I am wrong but I'm also very fearful the next few weeks will show the flaws in the "Beds" argument that local, wealthy, club at heart potential custodians are waiting in the wings to take over from those bad bad men who currently owns the club.
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« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2018, 14:58:30 pm »


Let's not let Saints bashing get in the way of sense. They could easily get 25k with their catchment area and the growth of the town.



Possibly so, but to invest in a 25,000 Sixfields stadium the Saints would first have to sell off that prime plot they own down at the Gardens; they definitely wouldn't be handing it over to NTFC as part of some swap deal.
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« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2018, 15:04:28 pm »

My question is, Who would want to buy the club with this rangle going on. Its a big ball of hastle and if our current owner have had enough will new investors want the same hassles. So if no buyer can be found and the current owners have had enough, is that the end of NTFC as we know it? We can either stand united as fans and support the club by puttong pressure on the council, hope theres an election coming up and kick this lot out (though what replaces it may turn out to be worse OR find away to ditch Sixfields and go it alone with out the council....

It doesn't matter which party holds sway at the Guildhall, the problem is - and has been for years - the council officers. If you don't believe me then consider this:Regardless of who is in power, Northampton is consistently one of the worst run councils in the country, and has been for the last twenty-five years.
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« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2018, 15:14:24 pm »

It doesn't matter which party holds sway at the Guildhall, the problem is - and has been for years - the council officers. If you don't believe me then consider this:Regardless of who is in power, Northampton is consistently one of the worst run councils in the country, and has been for the last twenty-five years.

I made the same point earlier. The elected councillors decide on the destination but rely on the unelected morons steering the ship to get them there.
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« Reply #58 on: May 23, 2018, 15:32:48 pm »

Possibly so, but to invest in a 25,000 Sixfields stadium the Saints would first have to sell off that prime plot they own down at the Gardens; they definitely wouldn't be handing it over to NTFC as part of some swap deal.

They might do if it gets them access to land worth an absolute bomb and far larger than the FG footprint.
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« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2018, 15:33:34 pm »

I made the same point earlier. The elected councillors decide on the destination but rely on the unelected morons steering the ship to get them there.

You have a way with words/opinion where even Angels fear to tread.
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