Terryfenwickatemyhamster
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Why do you insist that we need the NBC to kick start progress in any way?
I don't. You made that up
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guest3114
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If KT is just in it for the land and to make a few quid off the back of it, why pump all that dosh into the squad? I would have thought money for that inconvenience would be kept to a bare minimum? For the argument to make any sense it would be worth establishing what the land in question is actually worth? If it is true that the opportunity to kop the land for free is the motivation for the current board, then why spend a fortune on the squad, managers and the East Stand (if it happens) when you could buy the land for half the money and fulfil your development aspirations? The conspiracy theory of the free land grab only works if you can establish what the land is worth, and whether all the complexities and costs of running our football club are worth investing in to get it for free? I personally have no idea what the theoretical land in question is worth in comparison to the money spent by the board so far, but I’m guessing not? Anybody fancy having a punt at establishing the facts, or are we just going to continue to rely on more hysterical hand wringing from the conspiracy theorists for possible scenarios?
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Another Pedj
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Thats right. having pumped god knows how much into the club in January and he will now be prepared to walk away for a £1 is quite simply in cloud cuckoo land.
Even if he agrees to sell does not mean he will wipe out the debt to him and his partner, This local consortium have to be prepared to front up circa £4 million if they are serious. This should not be a problem if the business plans flouted on here are are viable.
Time to put up or shut up if a serious proposition.
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BedsCobb
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I don't. You made that up Im several pints deep and going to Camden rocks tomorrow so I need to keep lid on.. but What I will say for yours and cobblers watch benefits, both cardoza and thomas have been 15 years at our club now and collectively added nothing in terms of real growth in their pursuit of unconditional land and leases and god only knows what else.. because no one does.. Why in the name of all thats sacred should Northampton borough council bow down to this lot who haven't had the decency to show the clubs supporters what we can expect for our club?? Thomas needs to make a massive about turn and start working openly with the supporters and town of Northampton into what WE want because as a lone ranger he will fail. #nobog Its probably his last chance to get the f on side.
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Terryfenwickatemyhamster
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Im several pints deep and going to Camden rocks tomorrow so I need to keep lid on.. but What I will say for yours and cobblers watch benefits, both cardoza and thomas have been 15 years at our club now and collectively added nothing in terms of real growth in their pursuit of unconditional land and leases and god only knows what else.. because no one does.. Why in the name of all thats sacred should Northampton borough council bow down to this lot who haven't had the decency to show the clubs supporters what we can expect for our club?? Thomas needs to make a massive about turn and start working openly with the supporters and town of Northampton into what WE want because as a lone ranger he will fail. #nobog Its probably his last chance to get the f on side.
You still seem to be entrenched in the same misconception that the council need to give him something. Once again, you have built that alter, and appear to be one of a very limited group preying to it. That's your illness in terms of Kelvin getting the better of you again...
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BedsCobb
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You still seem to be entrenched in the same misconception that the council need to give him something. Once again, you have built that alter, and appear to be one of a very limited group preying to it. That's your illness in terms of Kelvin getting the better of you again...
If they stand to make or need nothing from council, why does he keep badgering them for more land? Your point is I think is they took unconditionally control of some Sixfields land after the council sold it all for a pound, this is their land now and nothing to do with the little inconsequential football club and they want the boundaries drawn up with ours and yours fences seperating the two? Yes your're right , I and everyone else are still entrenched in the same misconceptions with just about everything that happens over there.. clarity please😉😂
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meccanostand
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Getting back to the general point of the thread, with a sensible budget the club could tick over in League 2 as a member-owned entity. League 1 too with good management. Or a mix of member-owned/private investment.
Solidarity payments from the Premier League are solid and cash flow should be pretty healthy with our gates. What we are seeing now is probably what should have happened around the time of the last crisis in terms of discussion of a way forward, although there was little information available about the true terms of how the club stood.
.Whether the club and land can be separated now is another matter.
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Deepcut Cobbler
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If they stand to make or need nothing from council, why does he keep badgering them for more land? Your point is I think is they took unconditionally control of some Sixfields land after the council sold it all for a pound, this is their land now and nothing to do with the little inconsequential football club and they want the boundaries drawn up with ours and yours fences seperating the two?
Yes your're right , I and everyone else are still entrenched in the same misconceptions with just about everything that happens over there.. clarity please
My perception is that they are not badgering the council for more land: They already have the land but CDNL's name (Bower/Thomas) is on the lease/ownership. They want this land to be absorbed/combined so that it comes under the one lease/ownership of NTFC, with similar enabling restrictions and allowances that NTFC has. It then saves them from having to receive permissions twice when carrying out any work. If and when they eventually decide to sell/move it on, it can be done as a complete package and not in two or more parts with the complications that would bring. Am I wrong?
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LeeleeSTAR
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My perception is that they are not badgering the council for more land: They already have the land but CDNL's name (Bower/Thomas) is on the lease/ownership. They want this land to be absorbed/combined so that it comes under the one lease/ownership of NTFC, with similar enabling restrictions and allowances that NTFC has. It then saves them from having to receive permissions twice when carrying out any work. If and when they eventually decide to sell/move it on, it can be done as a complete package and not in two or more parts with the complications that would bring. Am I wrong?
I believe there are two leases, one owned by NTFC and another by CDNL. Both leases cover some of the same ground due to a mix up. That’s where the issue is and what they are trying I get sorted out prior to the transfer of the lease over to NTFC.
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Vintage Cobbler
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I believe there are two leases, one owned by NTFC and another by CDNL. Both leases cover some of the same ground due to a mix up. That’s where the issue is and what they are trying I get sorted out prior to the transfer of the lease over to NTFC.
I have not seen or heard anywhere of Bower/Thomas' intentions to transfer the CDNL lease to NTFC. It would be good if those claiming this can back this up with hard information. All I have read and heard is that due to a mistake by NBC the boundaries between the NTFC and CDNL land overlap. I have no idea if this is a a few feet or much more.
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guest168
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If the land lease matter was so simple as some suggest and that KT is not asking NBC for anything of any value and if KT does control both leases then why have they no plans to show anyone?
Again I am pretty sure that had a deal been done with the Trust / Locals last time we would be in a much better position as a club than we are now. The main reason they didn't get control was that KT rode into town waving his £4m. Silly me I should have said I had £10m stuff down the back of the sofa to invest. Wycombe are Trust owned and just been promoted so you don't need millions, Accrington the same and Burton too.
We could have got the club on a sound footing then looked for investment partners whilst maintaining a controlling share in NTFC
So called self proclaimed intelligent supporters seem to think that KT is great as they spent lots of cash on s*** players in January, appointed poor managers, knocked out a loo door and got us relegated, how dumb can you be?
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Monty
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If the land lease matter was so simple as some suggest and that KT is not asking NBC for anything of any value and if KT does control both leases then why have they no plans to show anyone?
Again I am pretty sure that had a deal been done with the Trust / Locals last time we would be in a much better position as a club than we are now. The main reason they didn't get control was that KT rode into town waving his £4m. Silly me I should have said I had £10m stuff down the back of the sofa to invest. Wycombe are Trust owned and just been promoted so you don't need millions, Accrington the same and Burton too.
We could have got the club on a sound footing then looked for investment partners whilst maintaining a controlling share in NTFC
So called self proclaimed intelligent supporters seem to think that KT is great as they spent lots of cash on **** players in January, appointed poor managers, knocked out a loo door and got us relegated, how dumb can you be?
Wycombe are trust-owned in name only, really. Their version of KT is an ice-cream salesman who is a lot more open to having trust representation than KT seems to be. They still need him to throw a lot of money at the club to be able to compete as they are.
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guest3040
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Kt fooled the council with talk of money to invest just to get control since then what a few seats and a couple of tins of paint. Personally wish someone with a real plan took over instead of this chancer staying.
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Vintage Cobbler
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Perhaps we can learn from the German 50% + 1 ownership model. I think that Supporters Trusts should have representation on the club's board but, as we know from our history, the appointed representatives have got to be up to the task. If the Trust had a director on the board of NTFC we wouldn't be scratching around looking for basic information denied to us by both KT and the Council.
My impression is that the Trust directors have no more information than the rest of us of the detail behind the NBC - KT impasse. It represents a truly shoddy state of affairs.
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Manwork04
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Perhaps we can learn from the German 50% + 1 ownership model. I think that Supporters Trusts should have representation on the club's board but, as we know from our history, the appointed representatives have got to be up to the task. If the Trust had a director on the board of NTFC we wouldn't be scratching around looking for basic information denied to us by both KT and the Council.
My impression is that the Trust directors have no more information than the rest of us of the detail behind the NBC - KT impasse. It represents a truly shoddy state of affairs.
Couldn't agree more, KT is a chancer who luck has run out with NBC, there's no way there going to walk away unless they asset strip.
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tcobb
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Didn't the supporters have a representative on the board when DC was in charge? How did that work out ?
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Lukey
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If the council were to hand over any land, maybe something can be added to the lease to say the land can only be used for sporting purposes etc. I've heard of this sort of practice being used when assets and land have been handed over before to prevent it being sold on for a profit.
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Vintage Cobbler
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Didn't the supporters have a representative on the board when DC was in charge? How did that work out ?
Take a second or two to read what I wrote about Trust appointees on the board before making a knee-jerk reaction.
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BedsCobb
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Didn't the supporters have a representative on the board when DC was in charge? How did that work out ?
climbed into Cardozas bed, so nul and void as a trust. The latest version are only a little pro kt so less likely to wear their knee pads out.
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