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Ins and Outs - Summer 2018

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« Reply #1160 on: August 09, 2018, 16:26:06 pm »

Haha, are you off again? 5 minimum out on loan by 31 August.

if you like

or 22 days of thinking no-one will be wanted by other clubs

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« Reply #1161 on: August 09, 2018, 16:33:40 pm »

if you like

or 22 days of thinking no-one will be wanted by other clubs

up to you

I can see Van Veen leaving on loan and perhaps 1 or 2 fringe players, but I think any loan deals would have to carry an incentive above what a club would have paid for a player before today. At this stage I'd say anyone who leaves will be replaced by a loan signing so the squad could well be better off come end of August anyway.
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« Reply #1162 on: August 09, 2018, 16:43:28 pm »

if you like

or 22 days of thinking no-one will be wanted by other clubs

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« Reply #1163 on: August 09, 2018, 16:57:01 pm »

if you like

or 22 days of thinking no-one will be wanted by other clubs

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So, the club have batted away all interest and turned deals down (according to Radio Northampton) but will now allow players to leave on loan with a view to a permanent deal in January? These deals may not go through (in January) for various reasons such as an injury or the player in question isn't the player they thought he was after all. Surely, it would be better to take the money now and eliminate those possibilities?

   
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« Reply #1164 on: August 09, 2018, 17:00:06 pm »

So, the club have batted away all interest and turned deals down (according to Radio Northampton) but will now allow players to leave on loan with a view to a permanent deal in January? These deals may not go through (in January) for various reasons such as an injury or the player in question isn't the player they thought he was after all. Surely, it would be better to take the money now and eliminate those possibilities?

   

You don't get how these loans are made. The transfer is confirmed for 1st January, but they spend first half of the season on loan. The permanent part just becomes a formality.... The window is effectively still open for most league clubs.
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« Reply #1165 on: August 09, 2018, 17:06:56 pm »

The value of any loan deal will naturally be less as by January the contact will be 6 months shorter. If we have held out for a fee now for the likes of Crooks then I cant see a loan to permanent being agreed. Any loans will be players that aren't going to make the starting 11 on a regular basis and we want off the wage book. 
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« Reply #1166 on: August 09, 2018, 17:11:04 pm »

The value of any loan deal will naturally be less as by January the contact will be 6 months shorter. If we have held out for a fee now for the likes of Crooks then I cant see a loan to permanent being agreed. Any loans will be players that aren't going to make the starting 11 on a regular basis and we want off the wage book. 

So if Rotherham bid 500k for Crooks tomorrow, but on loan till January... You're saying it'll be rejected?
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« Reply #1167 on: August 09, 2018, 17:12:36 pm »

So if Rotherham bid 500k for Crooks tomorrow, but on loan till January... You're saying it'll be rejected?
Im saying Rotherham wont bid 500k tomorrow
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« Reply #1168 on: August 09, 2018, 17:15:31 pm »

You don't get how these loans are made. The transfer is confirmed for 1st January, but they spend first half of the season on loan. The permanent part just becomes a formality.... The window is effectively still open for most league clubs.

No, I think you've got in wrong. Permanent signings can no longer be made as of 9th August. However, loan signings can until 31st August. So, you can sign a player on loan with a 'view' to a permanent deal.

What does the word 'view' mean in this case? Not happened yet but may happen in January.

Then said player gets injured or suffers from bad form during the loan and January comes - the loan is then cancelled, and the player returns to us. We benefit in no way and would have been better off completing a permanent deal before 9th August. Unless, it's a fringe player of course or Kevin van Veen possibly. Van Veen could still sign for a club in Holland by the way because their window is still open.        
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« Reply #1169 on: August 09, 2018, 17:19:52 pm »

If clubs want to sell they still can, it will contain a clause which obligates the the buying club to buy the player in January which cant be backed out of
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« Reply #1170 on: August 09, 2018, 17:35:24 pm »

Holmes and Toney have obviuosly decided that there is little chance of Pish and Poxford playing Cobblers soon...What a pair of tarts!...Absolutely no morals! Grin Roll Eyes

I thought Toney would be leaving Newcastle. Sorry for Ricky that he's ended up moving about so regularly. Why?
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« Reply #1171 on: August 09, 2018, 17:46:45 pm »

Holmes and Toney have obviuosly decided that there is little chance of Pish and Poxford playing Cobblers soon...What a pair of tarts!...Absolutely no morals! Grin Roll Eyes

I thought Toney would be leaving Newcastle. Sorry for Ricky that he's ended up moving about so regularly. Why?

Saw a couple games where Holmes featured for Sheffield Utd and he looked way out of his depth. Decent league 1 player but the step up to the championship seemed too much. Shame though.
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« Reply #1172 on: August 09, 2018, 18:28:18 pm »

If clubs want to sell they still can, it will contain a clause which obligates the the buying club to buy the player in January which cant be backed out of

Surely such a deal would be prohibited by the window closing? Otherwise they would just be permanent deals in all but name. There must be a clause as regards the loan window, that any loan contract will can not have a obligation to buy clause included. Otherwise what is the point in having the first window close?
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« Reply #1173 on: August 09, 2018, 18:38:27 pm »

You can sign a player on loan with a view to signing them permanently in January, you can even agree the fee. The one thing I am sure of is whether you can back out of the permante part. You can still buy a player for a fee now BUT he can't be registered till January window so the player could not play for either club. This is usually not done for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #1174 on: August 09, 2018, 18:48:21 pm »

Loan with an obligation to buy ......... you can do wonderful things with contracts

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« Reply #1175 on: August 09, 2018, 18:53:36 pm »

We are not going to allow main players to leave on loan with a view to a permanent move in January if we have fended of cash offers for players in this window. Even we wouldn't be that stupid. It makes no business sense
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« Reply #1176 on: August 09, 2018, 18:54:48 pm »

Well I suppose it gives people something to talk about for another 22 days  Roll Eyes

Rumour and counter rumour to begin again  Tongue
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« Reply #1177 on: August 09, 2018, 18:57:00 pm »

We are not going to allow main players to leave on loan with a view to a permanent move in January if we have fended of cash offers for players in this window. Even we wouldn't be that stupid. It makes no business sense

That's exactly how I feel about it too.
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« Reply #1178 on: August 09, 2018, 18:58:20 pm »

We are not going to allow main players to leave on loan with a view to a permanent move in January if we have fended of cash offers for players in this window. Even we wouldn't be that stupid. It makes no business sense

But clubs can still bid cash now..  Including more acceptable fees. It's really not that hard to understand.
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« Reply #1179 on: August 09, 2018, 18:59:13 pm »

Well would you believe it. Turns out there was a lot of BS from people on here after all  Roll Eyes
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