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Ins and Outs - Summer 2018

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« Reply #1200 on: August 10, 2018, 06:14:52 am »

Some great post 6pm discussion on Loans - do some of you guys understand the potential pitfalls of such contracts between buyer and seller? Any examples available?

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers/southend-boss-brown-confident-of-signing-cobblers-midfielder-john-joe-o-toole-1-6440943

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“That loan is with a view to a permanent deal and it will be great to finally get him to the football club after failing twice in the past.
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« Reply #1201 on: August 10, 2018, 08:13:17 am »


So why did the loan fail to materialise  for the then Southend Manager?
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« Reply #1202 on: August 10, 2018, 08:34:23 am »

Good to see we stuck to our guns and didn't under-sell any player/s. It's the first time I can remember us doing this. Talking of under-selling our players, Newcastle fans are suggesting they sold Ivan Toney for £650K. Think Cardoza let him leave us for about £200K so he could back-pocket some extra cash on his way out.   
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« Reply #1203 on: August 10, 2018, 09:37:12 am »

Any additional £ coming into ntfc by way of a sell on fee?
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« Reply #1204 on: August 10, 2018, 10:53:18 am »

Credit has to go to KT for not cashing in on players when the club is up for sale.
That’s not to say it won’t happen in January though , but they all need to keep performing .
I can’t see any of the first team going out on loan to keep wages down .
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« Reply #1205 on: August 10, 2018, 11:52:21 am »

Credit has to go to KT for not cashing in on players when the club is up for sale.
That’s not to say it won’t happen in January though , but they all need to keep performing .
I can’t see any of the first team going out on loan to keep wages down .


I would still say if as has been reported on her KVV and Crooks are on wages of the region of 4K/5K and an offer came in to take them off the wage bill - with the promise of turning the transfer permanent in Jan with a guaranteed £xxxx amount that meets our valuation (which I would guess be less come Jan than it is now as we will be another 4 months further down the line contractwise), all of course subject to us having a suitable replacement in place.

Wigan would have done a similar deal I guess today involving Max Power and Lee Evans   
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« Reply #1206 on: August 10, 2018, 11:52:42 am »

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A point I made in an earlier post remains however. Can loans with a contractually binding agreement to buy at the end of the loan period still be made, or just loans with an option to buy at the end of the loan period, because they're entirely different 'agreements'.

If the former type of deal can no longer be made until January then I don't see what benefit there is for the club by loaning any of the squads better players out until then under the latter type of deal. They would only be running the risk of the option to make permanent not being taken up and the player returning to the club after December with his tail between his legs and possibly with his value somewhat depreciated.

I think this would make it less likely the club will be loaning out any important players between now and the 31st.

Van Veen could still be sold abroad however, and I can envision 1-2 incoming loan signings before then.
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« Reply #1207 on: August 10, 2018, 11:56:27 am »


A point I made in an earlier post remains however. Can loans with a contractually binding agreement to buy at the end of the loan period still be made

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« Reply #1208 on: August 10, 2018, 11:56:57 am »

I would ask "Threeinabed" they know who's leaving and when, so should be able clear that up for you.
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« Reply #1209 on: August 10, 2018, 12:14:06 pm »

I would still say if as has been reported on her KVV and Crooks are on wages of the region of 4K/5K and an offer came in to take them off the wage bill - with the promise of turning the transfer permanent in Jan with a guaranteed £xxxx amount that meets our valuation (which I would guess be less come Jan than it is now as we will be another 4 months further down the line contractwise), all of course subject to us having a suitable replacement in place.

Wigan would have done a similar deal I guess today involving Max Power and Lee Evans   
But no one matched the valuation or wages and so they all stayed .
I very much doubt crooks will go on loan with a view to a fee in January .
The ship has sailed ..... until January .
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« Reply #1210 on: August 10, 2018, 12:32:12 pm »

But no one matched the valuation or wages and so they all stayed .
I very much doubt crooks will go on loan with a view to a fee in January .
The ship has sailed ..... until January .

Time will tell I guess - Depends how keen KT is to get his wages off the wage bill and if we get any suitable offer - You might find clubs may be more inclined to panic come the end of August?
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« Reply #1211 on: August 18, 2018, 18:32:58 pm »

When are these ‘five’ players going out on loan again?
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« Reply #1212 on: August 21, 2018, 21:56:41 pm »

Not long now, Obviously.
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« Reply #1213 on: August 21, 2018, 21:59:38 pm »

Can we send 10 on loan?
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« Reply #1214 on: August 24, 2018, 20:11:45 pm »

It seems that DA is not expecting any movement in or out when the loan window closes Aug 31st.. seems we are going with what we have... he also say non of his players want to leave. So where does this leave the 5 out theory 🤔

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-boss-austin-not-expecting-any-movement-ahead-of-loan-window-closing-1-8613260
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« Reply #1215 on: August 24, 2018, 20:18:47 pm »

No one has come in to take any of our players on loan and so we can’t bring in unfortunately .
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« Reply #1216 on: August 24, 2018, 20:39:12 pm »

This was the boy Darragh McA said we had agreed a fee with boro for but didn't agree terms isn't it?


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« Reply #1217 on: August 24, 2018, 20:40:48 pm »

No idea about credibility so don't shoot the messenger. But was told that we might be about to sign Luke Gambin on loan from Luton. No clue if it's true but it's a rare rumour so may as well share.
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« Reply #1218 on: August 24, 2018, 20:44:50 pm »

It seems that DA is not expecting any movement in or out when the loan window closes Aug 31st.. seems we are going with what we have... he also say non of his players want to leave. So where does this leave the 5 out theory 🤔

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-boss-austin-not-expecting-any-movement-ahead-of-loan-window-closing-1-8613260

That ship has sailed . Players wanted permanent moves.
We have to make the best of what we have now .
The management need to do more to get the best out of the current squad .
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« Reply #1219 on: August 25, 2018, 09:29:37 am »

That ship has sailed . Players wanted permanent moves.
We have to make the best of what we have now .
The management need to do more to get the best out of the current squad .
Doomed, poor Keeper, poor left back, no width and a manager that keeps playing the likes of Hoskins.
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