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« on: July 08, 2018, 08:42:36 am »

 Not cobblers, but lets start believing #itsnotcominghome  Cry
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2018, 11:09:22 am »

Got to say, the England run can only help club football and hopefully there's a pick up of interest locally come August.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2018, 00:30:18 am »

Two things I found embarrassing tonight..and pretty much all tournament.

Constant slating of sterling - As soon as he left the pitch we were nullified as a threat.

Slagging off of Walker - When he got injured and we were sitting ducks without his pace.

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2018, 00:51:08 am »

Two things I found embarrassing tonight..and pretty much all tournament.

Constant slating of sterling - As soon as he left the pitch we were nullified as a threat.

Slagging off of Walker - When he got injured and we were sitting ducks without his pace.



Certainly right about Sterling ; Walker had a fine first half went off a bit second half. Typical - left to rue missed chances. Trippier did well thru’ out.Thought our second half performance a tiny bit reminiscent of past failures. ‘Fort that the Croats were on the dirty side ?
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2018, 05:54:47 am »

Modric ran the midfield and we did not have that quality of playmaker.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2018, 07:51:42 am »

Totally agree with this and indeed the comments immediately above. Croatia have consistently been the best side in the Tournament.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2018, 07:54:49 am »

Was so surprised when Southgate took Sterling off, he was our most effective player on the night. After a decent first half, we got very tired in the second and Modric ran the show in the middle.

Hope Tripper and Walker don't have nasty injuries, would be a shame for Spurs.

Still, what a fantastic World Cup run and great to have most people talking about the national team in a positive light.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2018, 08:27:58 am »

Second half our wing-backs were pinned back , leaving us with just 3 in midfield constantly stretched and outgunned when the play was switched. It was agony to watch as I knew Southgate had stuck with the formation the whole tournament.

I wish we dropped Young to left back, Walked pushed to right back and substitute Ali/Lingard for Dier/Cheek and switch to a 4-4-2 so we could attempt to compete in Midfield and not get stretched constantly. I'm unsure how managers watch constant pressure build up and not have a solution to negate what's happening. Still could've lost but it was better than crossing fingers and watching on.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2018, 08:53:08 am »

Second half our wing-backs were pinned back , leaving us with just 3 in midfield constantly stretched and outgunned when the play was switched. It was agony to watch as I knew Southgate had stuck with the formation the whole tournament.

I wish we dropped Young to left back, Walked pushed to right back and substitute Ali/Lingard for Dier/Cheek and switch to a 4-4-2 so we could attempt to compete in Midfield and not get stretched constantly. I'm unsure how managers watch constant pressure build up and not have a solution to negate what's happening. Still could've lost but it was better than crossing fingers and watching on.

Other than that we passed over too many chances. Vardy on too late?
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2018, 09:10:15 am »

Unfortunately on the day the better side won so no real complaints - Walker's booking and ball that winded him seemed to dull his game and as stated the stretched 3 in midfield gave Croatia a free reign.

As a side note I though the ref was poor & missed a lot of actual fouls but blew up when there was little or no contact - TV coverage is so good now it shows graphically their mistakes in an instant.

As a gracious loser I really want Croatia to beat France though! 
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2018, 09:15:51 am »

Vardy on too late?
The stretched and outnumbered midfield left us unable to mount composed attacks. Hence when Rashford entered the equation we still had exactly the same problem.

3-5-2 is a great formation when you're the stronger team, but Croatia played it perfectly in the second half. Anyway, what Southgate may lack in that area he made up for with creating an excellent camaraderie which was a great spectacle.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2018, 09:22:43 am »

He took the wrong player off when he took Raheem Sterling off, he should have replaced Kane with Vardy because Kane was either injured or running on empty.  The Croatian defenders would not have enjoyed Sterling and Vardy running at them mid way through the second half.

Surprised VAR didn't look more closely at the Sterling trip in the box, probably because he got straight up although there was contact.
"What if" Harry Kane had put his double chance away to make it 2-0?

Shame but Euro '20 here we come... 
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2018, 09:31:08 am »

Croatia have better quality throughout their team. The tiredness of England as the game wore on was always going to happen as Croatia were always likely to dictate the play/have most possession. 7 attempts on target over the last 4 matches (mostly from set-pieces) says it all about England's true lack of quality.

If Rodriguez had been fit for Colombia they would not even have made the quarter-finals.

Pickford and Trippier were England's best players in the tournament by far, the rest are lacking.



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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2018, 10:15:27 am »

Certainly right about Sterling ; Walker had a fine first half went off a bit second half. Typical - left to rue missed chances. Trippier did well thru’ out.Thought our second half performance a tiny bit reminiscent of past failures. ‘Fort that the Croats were on the dirty side ?

I've been saying this about Sterling all tournament. He's been the media/pundits' whipping boy from the start. Sure, his end product has been poor, and yet, without his runs and constant pressing we'd have next to no forward penetration.

At the break, I said Croatia would be having a right go second half, and unless we put them on the back-foot we'd end up losing. As it turned out, all too reminiscent of what we've seen for years. In reality, we'll likely never have an easier run to the final, so ultimately a typical England disappointment.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2018, 10:19:54 am »

The boys did OK. They're not good enough to compete with the SuperPowers at the moment and need a bit of luck to beat the Tier 2 sides, as demonstrated in the win vs Columbia and loss last night. I don't think the personnel are as good as the 2010/2012 versions but I'm much more enthused by this team going forwards (and the decent young players that will start to break through) than the rubbish served up in 2014 and 2016.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2018, 10:21:06 am »

He took the wrong player off when he took Raheem Sterling off, he should have replaced Kane with Vardy because Kane was either injured or running on empty.  The Croatian defenders would not have enjoyed Sterling and Vardy running at them mid way through the second half.

Surprised VAR didn't look more closely at the Sterling trip in the box, probably because he got straight up although there was contact.
"What if" Harry Kane had put his double chance away to make it 2-0?

Shame but Euro '20 here we come... 

Agree with this. We got totally overran second half, and needed to put them under some pressure. After they equalised, it felt as though we were playing to reach penalties.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2018, 11:39:23 am »

Croatia have better quality throughout their team. The tiredness of England as the game wore on was always going to happen as Croatia were always likely to dictate the play/have most possession. 7 attempts on target over the last 4 matches (mostly from set-pieces) says it all about England's true lack of quality.

If Rodriguez had been fit for Colombia they would not even have made the quarter-finals.

Pickford and Trippier were England's best players in the tournament by far, the rest are lacking.



Some strange comments there! You omit Maguire,Dyer and Stone who all did ok. Where your argument falls down is you resort to ifs and buts or even personal rhetorical. IMO we should have been 2-0 up by half time and most likely game over. You might have mentioned the brutality of the Colombians and similar tactics by the Croats.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2018, 12:10:45 pm »

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned the high boot for Croatia's first goal, normally in Europe above knee height is deemed to be dangerous play.
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2018, 12:24:19 pm »

I mentioned it. But still felt I was clutching at straws
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2018, 12:28:59 pm »

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned the high boot for Croatia's first goal, normally in Europe above knee height is deemed to be dangerous play.

Agree, clutching at straws but you are right, sometimes in Europe that is an automatic free kick.
I was surprised that VAR didn't appear to have interfered when Sterling was brought down in the box and immediately jumped back up, maybe that was the problem, he wasn't rolling around on the floor?
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