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« on: September 08, 2018, 21:50:26 pm »

I think it is time that the fancy dans quit the talking and showed they care about wearing the claret. There are a number of candidates in particular Ash Taylor who are forever talking a good talk off the pitch but when they cross the white line they do not deliver, such players are on good money and to me as an average punter their heart is just set on picking up their hefty pay cheque.For a long time now since the halcyon days of Chris Wilder we have not had any leaders on the pitch and without any such characters this club will continue to drift into oblivion.
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 06:20:27 am »

Agree, when they scored their Penalty, Taylors head was down trudging back into position. No geeing up of teh players for the final push to get back into the game, surely thats the Captain's role? As for VV, thought he looked disinterested last week and more of teh same today, clearly he can find the net if we get the ball to him in a good position but he's no grafter e.g. compare with attidtude of Marquis when he was here
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2018, 10:22:59 am »

Agree, when they scored their Penalty, Taylors head was down trudging back into position. No geeing up of teh players for the final push to get back into the game, surely thats the Captain's role? As for VV, thought he looked disinterested last week and more of teh same today, clearly he can find the net if we get the ball to him in a good position but he's no grafter e.g. compare with attidtude of Marquis when he was here

I thought KvV looked really up for it today. Worked very hard for the team and deserved his goal. Constantly let down by our wide players though.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2018, 10:39:19 am »

To me there are only a handful of real battlers in the side who will give their all week in week out and this MUST BE addressed by Austin. He himself has said that graft and hard work over the full 90 minutes is a pre-requisite but we don't always see it and in some cases it is shockingly obvious at times (Powell and Matt Crooks for example). CW always used to say that quality only makes a difference if you are at least as physically competitive as the opposition. DA says these are a hardworking bunch with a first class attitude but we don't always see that on a Saturday afternoon. Why not?

These are the only players I've seen in recent times who ALWAYS seem to care, regardless of how well they play: Hoskins, Buchannan, Cornell, Taylor, Foley and McWilliams. I don't care what DA says about the attitude of the rest, if we can't see it there's sometjing wrong. At the moment I think those mentioned should all start every game because we need some fight. Of these, I would say that only Buchannan and Taylor are potential leaders, but even their heads seem to go down at times. I totally agree that we need a real leader who will still be geeing the players up when we go 2-1 down to sides like Cheltenham because the way things are at the moment it won't be the last time.
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2018, 12:37:11 pm »

To me there are only a handful of real battlers in the side who will give their all week in week out and this MUST BE addressed by Austin. He himself has said that graft and hard work over the full 90 minutes is a pre-requisite but we don't always see it and in some cases it is shockingly obvious at times (Powell and Matt Crooks for example). CW always used to say that quality only makes a difference if you are at least as physically competitive as the opposition. DA says these are a hardworking bunch with a first class attitude but we don't always see that on a Saturday afternoon. Why not?

These are the only players I've seen in recent times who ALWAYS seem to care, regardless of how well they play: Hoskins, Buchannan, Cornell, Taylor, Foley and McWilliams. I don't care what DA says about the attitude of the rest, if we can't see it there's sometjing wrong. At the moment I think those mentioned should all start every game because we need some fight. Of these, I would say that only Buchannan and Taylor are potential leaders, but even their heads seem to go down at times. I totally agree that we need a real leader who will still be geeing the players up when we go 2-1 down to sides like Cheltenham because the way things are at the moment it won't be the last time.

This is a good post. The only thing I'd add to it is that we have a soft centre defensively, and Taylor is far from blameless in this regards.
Whether tightening up the defense requires a change of formation, or a change of personnel - I'm not sure what the answer is, but the two big lumps together isn't working.

Another major issue, we have some real quality in centre midfield whilst massively lacking decent wide players. This has to be addressed, because we have forwards capable of scoring goals if they get good service. Again, the wide issue is something which should have been addressed in the summer, but wasn't. This could be a mistake on Deano's part, it could equally be that his hands were tied because of the abundance of (already employed) dross eating up his budget. I guess we'll never know.
I wouldn't mind seeing Waters given a decent chance to play on the flank, because he proved himself capable when at Cheltenham. Other than this, it's probably time for a change of formation. It doesn't mean we can't still play on the front foot, but we have to start thinking about better defensive cover. At the moment we are like a kid flailing punches in the playground, but getting picked to pieces by a trained boxer.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2018, 13:05:58 pm »

To me there are only a handful of real battlers in the side who will give their all week in week out and this MUST BE addressed by Austin. He himself has said that graft and hard work over the full 90 minutes is a pre-requisite but we don't always see it and in some cases it is shockingly obvious at times (Powell and Matt Crooks for example). CW always used to say that quality only makes a difference if you are at least as physically competitive as the opposition. DA says these are a hardworking bunch with a first class attitude but we don't always see that on a Saturday afternoon. Why not?

These are the only players I've seen in recent times who ALWAYS seem to care, regardless of how well they play: Hoskins, Buchannan, Cornell, Taylor, Foley and McWilliams. I don't care what DA says about the attitude of the rest, if we can't see it there's sometjing wrong. At the moment I think those mentioned should all start every game because we need some fight. Of these, I would say that only Buchannan and Taylor are potential leaders, but even their heads seem to go down at times. I totally agree that we need a real leader who will still be geeing the players up when we go 2-1 down to sides like Cheltenham because the way things are at the moment it won't be the last time.

It's not about geeing players up IMO, there is a pervading lack of backbone throughout the side. Slotting in a player to gee them up is going to be pretty pointless. Truth is they shouldn't need any geeing up. I don't see other teams having this problem. We've got too many players of the wrong personality types. Going behind in a league game shouldn't even register with them IMO. If they were going to score before conceding anyway then why get so disheartened so easily?

As to the team, we've got some very good midfielders for this level: Foley, McWilliams, O'Toole and Crooks. Bar perhaps Crooks though the other three are of a particular type. They won't work well together, certainly with only 1 up front.

People attribute this to a lack of 'width', but what I sense they really mean is we lack midfielders that can attack defenders, beat their man and pick out killer passes i.e. genuine creativity. It doesn't matter so much whether this players position is to play centrally, out left, right, or all over the park, but we need to get more of them in the team.

VV is a player who can do this for us. He's wasted playing as  alone striker. I'd play him a little deeper and give him a licence to roam. Morias is another who can provide this option, so hopefully his injury isn't too bad. Williams need to be given a run up front as I'm convinced the goals will come from him. Crooks can play in the midfield along with O'Toole and McWilliams. Taylor needs to be dropped and possibly Buchanan as well. Depending on Morias' fitness I'd try:

             Cornell

Facey Pierre Barnett Turnbull

  Crooks  McWilliams  Foley

        Morias       KVV

              Williams

Give the full-backs licence to push forward a well. Bar JJOT these are possibly are best players IMO also.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2018, 17:59:11 pm »

Given McWilliams has covered RB position before, maybe putting him on the right of midfield could be an option?
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2018, 19:11:59 pm »

Given we have no true midfield cum forward wingers, surely its time to try 532

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 23:28:03 pm »

Given we have no true midfield cum forward wingers, surely its time to try 532


Feel a strong need next Saturday to ask for divine intervention.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2018, 23:55:19 pm »

I like the lemon ones best but I will eat the pink ones if the lemon ones are all gone. Not keen on the chocolate ones at all.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2018, 23:59:28 pm »

Feel a strong need next Saturday to ask for divine intervention.

I thought he played in Scotland now?
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2018, 09:57:51 am »

Given we have no true midfield cum forward wingers, surely its time to try 532



The problem with this is that our style of play needs wingers even though we haven't got great ones. Teams already set out to defend when we play at home. This will only get easier for them if we try to play through the middle of the park.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2018, 12:53:36 pm »

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-skipper-taylor-rejects-claims-his-form-has-dipped-1-8630877

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2018, 15:44:35 pm »


He has been absolutely woeful and has cost us more points than any other player this season after being our best player last season. I hope he plays the game of his life against Vale (if picked to play) and helps us win otherwise he will undoubtedly be told by our vicious and nasty home crowd how good he really is during our game against Notts County. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2018, 22:38:53 pm »

He has been absolutely woeful and has cost us more points than any other player this season after being our best player last season. I hope he plays the game of his life against Vale (if picked to play) and helps us win otherwise he will undoubtedly be told by our vicious and nasty home crowd how good he really is during our game against Notts County. 

You are developing a Cornell type of complex about Taylor. Agreed he has been in disappointing form so far this season but feel he is no worse than Pierre or even Buchanan for leaking goals. The danger is by selecting Taylor as a pet 'hate' others will follow. If Taylor can play well in L1 he can do so in L2; so relunctantly I feel it is better to support the guy as most of us(barring a few nutters) have accepted that Cornell 'aint' doing a lot wrong at the moment. I dont believe it is wise for DA to make wholesale changers but I would consider recalling Turnbull as a Central Defender. On Saturday at least 4 players had - err 'disappointing' games along with Taylor. Of that four - 2 had in my opinion decidely worse games than Taylor. On the other hand if we had taken some of the goal scoring chances this season we would not all be getting quite so hysterical. Just the usual mild moaning!
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 22:49:12 pm »


Thats a bit cynical - he does acknowledge some lack of form.  What do you want him to say ? Play the Roman fool?
To me there is some suggestion of a 'fighting reply' to his critics. If we are going to drop Taylor who do replace him with and who will be the Captain. Would suggest Pierre is a bigger problem.
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 00:12:26 am »

You are developing a Cornell type of complex about Taylor.

You are developing a complex about other peoples (or should I say personas) complexes.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2018, 07:48:42 am »

The problem with this is that our style of play needs wingers even though we haven't got great ones. Teams already set out to defend when we play at home. This will only get easier for them if we try to play through the middle of the park.

I saw the width coming from the full backs tbh

Mind you, that could be just as non-productive ad playing with bona fide wingers, though at least we'd have more players adept at defending. Which we could do with right now...
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2018, 08:13:23 am »

He has been absolutely woeful and has cost us more points than any other player this season after being our best player last season.

No question his form has dipped this season but not sure about him being our best player last season - he was central to our worst defensive record for more than a decade so if he was our best player it speaks volumes for the team as a whole last season.

Managers come and go but the defense (both first choice and those on the bench) is essentially the same one that got us relegated without a whimper - why should we expect anything different?
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2018, 11:19:09 am »

No question his form has dipped this season but not sure about him being our best player last season - he was central to our worst defensive record for more than a decade so if he was our best player it speaks volumes for the team as a whole last season.

Managers come and go but the defense (both first choice and those on the bench) is essentially the same one that got us relegated without a whimper - why should we expect anything different?

There's no escaping from that fact. On the subject of last season here's some interesting stats I thought I'd share:

Over November and December last season we conceded 19 goals in 9 matches. The heaviest defeat came in the 5-1 against Oldham, who were ultimately relegated last season.

From the beginning of January through to late March our defensive record was 18 conceded in 14 matches. The heaviest defeat in that run of games was the 3-0 home defeat to Rotherham, who ultimately got promoted last season.

In the remaining run of 7 matches last season we conceded 14.

Our goals conceded average went down from just over 2 goals per match from the matches played over November and December, to just 1.3 goals conceded per match over 14 matches played from beginning of January through to late March, then back up again to 2 goals conceded per match during the run in.

The better run of form was with Bunney as a regular starter, the worse runs of form were before he had been signed and after he had been dropped. Turnbull also played regularly during the improved run of form in the new year.

Pierre only played in the first 19 matches of last season, before he got injured. In that time we conceded 32 goals of which the heaviest defeat came in the 6-0 against Bristol Rovers. That's a goals conceded rate of 1.7 per match, jumping up to 2 per match following his injury.

In the first 7 matches in which Facey started following his signing, we conceded 7 goals in 7 matches, an average of 1 goal per game.

This then jumped up to exactly 2 goals per game in Facey's next 6 games after Bunney had been dropped for Buchanan.

Facey did not play in the final game against Oldham, where we again conceded 2 goals, which continued the 2 goals pg average.

Taylor and Buchanan were the only players who were regular starters in the back four during both of the worse runs of defensive form last season.

In the 32 matches where both Taylor and Buchanan played together we conceded 59 goals, an average of just under 2 goals per game.

Last seasons final average was 77 conceded in 46, or roughly 1.66 goals per match.

So far this season we have conceded 11 in 7 games, or roughly 1.6 goals per match.

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