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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2018, 15:29:34 pm » |
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Hopefully will never happen, would rather see the club fold first.
As pointed out by meccano, if the Trust took a stake in controlling the club, do you REALLY think that it would be run by us volunteers who did the Car Boots ? We would be employing a CEO, just the same as KT does, but the people behind everything would have NTFC 100% as their focus, not looking to make a quick buck and then disappear. It CAN work quite well, Wycombe & Exeter both seem to be in a much better state than NTFC and they are Trust owned with competent people employed to run the club.
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2018, 16:19:09 pm » |
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As pointed out by meccano, if the Trust took a stake in controlling the club, do you REALLY think that it would be run by us volunteers who did the Car Boots ? We would be employing a CEO, just the same as KT does, but the people behind everything would have NTFC 100% as their focus, not looking to make a quick buck and then disappear. It CAN work quite well, Wycombe & Exeter both seem to be in a much better state than NTFC and they are Trust owned with competent people employed to run the club.
Indeed. Go to any fan-owned club in the country and they are far happier places than our club that is for sure.
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2018, 16:28:29 pm » |
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Didn't work and Rushden, Portsmouth decided to stop and sold out. Exeter had a huge income from transfer fees just as they were about to go bust. For me it's a non starter, just for people living in a ideal world.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2018, 16:50:45 pm » |
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do you REALLY think that it would be run by us volunteers who did the Car Boots ?
I take it they don't happen anymore?
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2018, 16:56:45 pm » |
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Didn't work and Rushden, Portsmouth decided to stop and sold out. Exeter had a huge income from transfer fees just as they were about to go bust. For me it's a non starter, just for people living in a ideal world.
It didn't work at Rushden because they tried to run the club themselves, it DID work at Pompey but they got an offer from a multi millionaire. So you know Exeter were "just about to go bust" do you? I think probably half the teams in the bottom 2 divisions have hit financial problems at one time or another over the last 30 years and they weren't all Trust owned. The thing is we know that the Trust alone would have a hard job, so that is why we would be looking to work with others. It's no different the Trust employing a CEO that KT doing it, is it ?
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2018, 17:01:02 pm » |
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It didn't work at Rushden because they tried to run the club themselves, it DID work at Pompey but they got an offer from a multi millionaire. So you know Exeter were "just about to go bust" do you? I think probably half the teams in the bottom 2 divisions have hit financial problems at one time or another over the last 30 years and they weren't all Trust owned. The thing is we know that the Trust alone would have a hard job, so that is why we would be looking to work with others. It's no different the Trust employing a CEO that KT doing it, is it ?
At Pompey they realised that they had taken the club as far as they could and wouldn't be able to sustain it in the Third Division (on 17-20k+ crowds). When the offer from the multi millionaire came they offloaded.
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2018, 06:24:00 am » |
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At Pompey they realised that they had taken the club as far as they could and wouldn't be able to sustain it in the Third Division (on 17-20k+ crowds). When the offer from the multi millionaire came they offloaded.
Which is fair enough. Fan ownership is as good if not better than a private model in plodding around in Leagues 1 and 2. Any higher needs serious money unless very well run. Fan owned club could have had boxes on the east and an expanded South without even touching the land.
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2018, 08:43:53 am » |
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A fan owned club could have raised £3m just like that to finish the East Stand, plus more to run the club ? Really ? You have to say how or your whole point comes crashing down.
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2018, 11:08:24 am » |
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A fan owned club could have raised £3m just like that to finish the East Stand, plus more to run the club ? Really ? You have to say how or your whole point comes crashing down.
Fan owned clubs have just as good a chance if not more to attract a beneficiary or a decent sponsorship deal. If we were a fan owned club we sell double the amount season tickets and attract many more new and lapsed fans if it was sold to them as a new era with future plans and real prospects for our club going forward. Theres your £3m and counting right there.
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2018, 11:16:57 am » |
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If we were a fan owned club we sell double the amount season tickets and attract many more new and lapsed fans
Only if you halved the price and maybe not even then. The average punter couldn't give a monkey's toss who owns a club. They just care about how much it costs them, how entertaining it is and how much reflected glory they can revel in when the team is doing well.
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2018, 11:24:54 am » |
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Fan owned clubs have just as good a chance if not more to attract a beneficiary or a decent sponsorship deal. If we were a fan owned club we sell double the amount season tickets and attract many more new and lapsed fans if it was sold to them as a new era with future plans and real prospects for our club going forward. Theres your £3m and counting right there.
Beds, I think you are inviting another economics ambush here! Whilst I'm not necessarily against Fan Ownership as a way forward... Who says we would double STH sales (apart from yourself! 😁)? Though there is there is a reasonable possibility of course. There is no tangible evidence that we would attract dorment fans back in droves - though some of course. Cannot see any reason on Earth why being fan owned (with CEO, following Barton's model) makes us/ the club any more attractive for future investors! And anyway, why weren't you sitting in your beloved East Stand on Saturday...you looked pretty cushty sat next to Jeema in the Upper West!
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2018, 11:33:06 am » |
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A fan owned club could have raised £3m just like that to finish the East Stand, plus more to run the club ? Really ? You have to say how or your whole point comes crashing down.
Do you really think that it would cost £3M to just finish the East Stand? I recon that it could be fitted out, as it stands, for around £1M, which would make it well worth doing. As I said, to run the club properly, it would be fans and business' working together.
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2018, 11:57:53 am » |
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A fan owned club could have raised £3m just like that to finish the East Stand, plus more to run the club ? Really ? You have to say how or your whole point comes crashing down.
A fan-owned club would have never come up with that design. A fan-owned entity would have probably come up with a far simpler design incorporating boxes. Or they would have questioned whether boxes are actually worth doing. As for funding there are various routes including sponsorship, grants, fan-funding including mini-bonds and also a straightforward loan. All of these things Thomas and Bower would have to consider unless you expect them to gift the money which is insane. Familiarise yourself with Tifosy it really would be invaluable to you. https://www.tifosy.com/enThere is nothing that fan-ownership or a combination with local business can't achieve that private ownership can. Your viewpoint is outdated.
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2018, 13:53:38 pm » |
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Barton, i was quoteing the £3m that KT had earmarked, if less then thats ideal. Beds, never in a million years are you going to sell 4,000 plus season tickets solely because its a fan owned club. Ive followed your views and they have some basis, but thats just living in some made up world. Meccano, come up with the figures on how you are going to raise the money to finish the current East Stand, not some make believe Stand. Who you will target and how you will get them to part with the cash.
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2018, 14:27:24 pm » |
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Fan owned. HAVE YOU SEEN THE STATE OF SOME OF OUR FANS?
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2018, 14:30:52 pm » |
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Barton, i was quoteing the £3m that KT had earmarked, if less then thats ideal. Beds, never in a million years are you going to sell 4,000 plus season tickets solely because its a fan owned club. Ive followed your views and they have some basis, but thats just living in some made up world. Meccano, come up with the figures on how you are going to raise the money to finish the current East Stand, not some make believe Stand. Who you will target and how you will get them to part with the cash.
I don't think at this stage coming up with figures is going to help anyone, the idea is a good one and once you have put the prospect of fan ownership into place then the figures and plans and everything else can be worked on by professional people employed or contracted by the fan owned club to do just that. I personally think it is a great idea, I have a friend who is a Wrexham supporter, admittedly they are in the conference but they have gone down the fan owned route and it is working for them. He says they are a lot happy being involved in how their club is run and how it is moving forward. At least with the fan owned route, you know the people are in it for the right reasons.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2018, 14:31:45 pm » |
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He is right.
I am happy to be involved if half the fans on here are, however if any one of the other half are, count me out.
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2018, 14:32:31 pm » |
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Fan owned. HAVE YOU SEEN THE STATE OF SOME OF OUR FANS?
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2018, 14:38:37 pm » |
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As I have said before, there is fan ownership, then there is fan ownership. Even with a decent chief exec in place, you still need level headed large business savvy people on the board. Absolutely no point at all in comparing us to Portsmouth. Their income dwarfs ours. Most people could run Portsmouth. It's a daft comparison. Season ticket sales alone probably raise 3-4 million at Portsmouth. Ours are probably a quarter of that.
Some people need to get real...
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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2018, 14:42:33 pm » |
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So the fans don't have to work out how to raise funds until they have taken over the club ? That doesn't sound a very attractive or secure proposition. Would that be a good idea for KT to sell to anybody, who can just come up with funding ideas after they have purchased the Club? All that's happening there, is that you are confirming why fans shouldn't own Football Clubs.
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