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« Reply #160 on: October 03, 2018, 11:49:06 am »

I don't, it's my opinion however based on my observations.

We may have kept a clean sheet in the last home game but the fact is that was the one and only clean sheet in 10 league games under Austin, which was against a team at the time who were on a disastrous run of form, sat in the bottom two, had just changed manager and offered very little if anything up front.

Last nights clean sheet however came against an in form team who sat in the play-off places, whose forwards looked sharp and dangerous from the off (Adams, Maynard and their number 10 Mayor as pointed out by others were all excellent) and whose manager had recently won the manager of the month award. The comparison between them and Notts County at the time of each match could hardly be more glaring.

Austin showed no sign of changing from a flat back four set-up and despite how poor he has been for ages I struggle to imagine him dropping Buchanan being that he clearly favoured him and we also have no other recognised LB.

Under Austin we conceded 17 in 10 matches. However we have already kept as many clean sheets in 1 game under Curle than in 10 this season under Austin.

I agree that Curle's got a bog job to do due to the lack of confidence in the squad and the run we are on but feel confident come the end of the season his appointment will be seen as a big turning point for us.





All fair comments!! Lets hope that what you've said in your last sentence is what actually happens.....for everyone's sakes!
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« Reply #161 on: October 03, 2018, 11:55:44 am »

For those who missed the Mansfield game it is pretty relevant to recall and compare the two games. Last night was an improvement from last Saturday and it was good to see the sides structure and discipline maintained thru' out. I still think some posters have a jaundiced view of the team who incidentally were applauded after the game. I thought Hoskins gave a cameo performance Roll Eyes Still his energy thru out was good and gave Bury several anxious moments. He missed two clear chances one of which was a gift for a. Actually he did ok.  Likewise his partner Williams also missed good chances but faded as the second half went by. For a big bloke his heading is poor. Cornell was ok with good positioning & catching. That type of display must infuriate some😎. To me Adams was not a MOM at all. Defence after the first 15 mins was ok with Barnett and Pierre all good. Thought that Facey stood off his man too much so allowing some dangerous crosses to come in. Tactically KC got it right although he might have brought vV on sooner. JJOT a bit off the pace but Taylor once he had settled down began to play with a hint of growing confidence as the game progressed. Certainly more hoof tonight - from both sides! Most players did their job on the night. I hope Hoskins lives up to KC expectations Roll Eyes

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« Reply #162 on: October 03, 2018, 12:12:48 pm »

I don't, it's my opinion however based on my observations.

We may have kept a clean sheet in the last home game but the fact is that was the one and only clean sheet in 10 league games under Austin, which was against a team at the time who were on a disastrous run of form, sat in the bottom two, had just changed manager and offered very little up front.


Who have won their next two games after they played us scoring five goals in the process. And the game before they played us scored another three.

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« Reply #163 on: October 03, 2018, 12:21:47 pm »

Who have won their next two games after they played us scoring five goals in the process. And the game before they played us scored another three.



You missed that Uncle Clarence!
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« Reply #164 on: October 03, 2018, 12:32:47 pm »

Who have won their next two games after they played us scoring five goals in the process. And the game before they played us scored another three.



I know, however this was not where there were before they played us. This makes little difference to my point showing the difference between where they were and Bury were/are and therefore the respective difficulty of the two matches at the time.
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« Reply #165 on: October 03, 2018, 12:40:26 pm »

Did we ever properly replace Holmes and Adams when they left? Can't remember having any decent wingers since then.

Speaking of which, I see Ricky Holmes is up to his old tricks at Oxford:

From BBC: "Ricky Holmes had fired the U's in front three minutes into the second half with a superb left-footed drive after a sparkling run."

Edit: Just seen the goal, I feel sick seeing him in the all yellow of Oxford.
Old tricks of falling down like a sack of spuds at the slightest contact! That and being more than a tad greedy is starting to get the Oxford faithful a little pissed off with him...though when Obika is your only outlet, to be expected I guess!
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« Reply #166 on: October 03, 2018, 12:42:55 pm »

You missed that Uncle Clarence!

Sure Evers.

Two of my posts in the Notts thread:

It's not about seeing the performance as satisfactory but seeing where in some respects there were signs of improvement which is encouraging, neither are the same thing. The feeling seems unanimous that quality was lacking in the final third. I don't think Notts were any worse defensively than either Cheltenham or Cambridge, but they lacked the one or two quality forwards that both Cambridge and Cheltenham possessed, so they lacked cutting edge.

(edited the bold-italic for this post only)


One point about the opposition today, Notts have obviously been poor during the early part of this season, but IMO they were not anywhere near as poor as many on here feel. They finished in the play-offs last year and have spent 'big' this summer. The new manager is beginning to make an impact on the team and I think this was evident in the dogged defensive display they put in this afternoon. I expect them to climb the table from here on in and finish top-half.


I was pretty much the only voice on that thread giving Notts any credit Evers, so I can confidently say I'm not surprised at their recent victories.

My views on them after that game and my views on the difference between them and Bury at the time we played them in no contradict each other, these things are not always so 'black and white'.
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« Reply #167 on: October 03, 2018, 12:49:11 pm »

We would have lost that game under Austin because that header from the free kick which hit the bar would have hit the net instead. Then the heads would have gone down. Austin never had any luck, thats for sure!

In all seriousness though. Once we'd settled down we looked very decent from 15-45 minutes. John Joe during that spell played like he had a pony tail, Crookes was excellent. I liked how the right or left centre back took the throw ins enabling the wingback on that side to push up giving us a nice balance. Haven't seen that tactic before from us, and it really stood out for me. Hoskins caused them all kinds of problems but once again couldn't hit a barn door! Williams...worked hard, but didn't for me look like he's the right player for that system. I simply don't see him as a target man. Or a link player. In my eyes he's a gangly centre forward, and I still cannot fathom out what he brings to the party. Face and Powell both looked decent in their wing back roles. Taylor looked ropey, as per. Pierre and Barnett both stepped up, Pierre was my mom.

2nd half. The game slowed right down, got very scrappy and was basically a borefest.

The subs weakened us. Waters looked 'lost'. And lost the ball every single time he was given it. Bowditch...needs shipping out/paying off in January. Lets face it, Stevenage didn't want him. Otherwise he wouldn't have come back. VV came on a bit too late for me. But I could understand our resistance to go gung ho, a point kept us out of the bottom 2. Importantly physiologically.  Good save by Cornell from the free kick.

Overall, going into it...a point gained. But having seen our team raise its game so much when JFH was appointed (2 wins a a drawer from his first 3 games), I will reserve judging this team UNDER KC until after the first 5 games. Last night though gave us a platform to build upon. Swindon away next, and Id take another point from that game. Steady the ship first and foremost.
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« Reply #168 on: October 03, 2018, 12:49:54 pm »

Sure Evers.

Two of my posts in the Notts thread:




I was pretty much the only voice on that thread giving Notts any credit Evers, so I can confidently say I'm not surprised at their recent victories.

My views on them after that game and my views on the difference between them and Bury at the time we played them in no contradict each other, these things are not always so 'black and white'.
First quote in bold...I don't think Notts were any worse than Notts...

Matter of debate I guess! Grin
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« Reply #169 on: October 03, 2018, 12:52:24 pm »

We would have lost that game under Austin because that header from the free kick which hit the bar would have hit the net instead. Then the heads would have gone down. Austin never had any luck, thats for sure!

In all seriousness though. Once we'd settled down we looked very decent from 15-45 minutes. John Joe during that spell played like he had a pony tail, Crookes was excellent. I liked how the right or left centre back took the throw ins enabling the wingback on that side to push up giving us a nice balance. Haven't seen that tactic before from us, and it really stood out for me. Hoskins caused them all kinds of problems but once again couldn't hit a barn door! Williams...worked hard, but didn't for me look like he's the right player for that system. I simply don't see him as a target man. Or a link player. In my eyes he's a gangly centre forward, and I still cannot fathom out what he brings to the party. Face and Powell both looked decent in their wing back roles. Taylor looked ropey, as per. Pierre and Barnett both stepped up, Pierre was my mom.

2nd half. The game slowed right down, got very scrappy and was basically a borefest.

The subs weakened us. Waters looked 'lost'. And lost the ball every single time he was given it. Bowditch...needs shipping out/paying off in January. Lets face it, Stevenage didn't want him. Otherwise he wouldn't have come back. VV came on a bit too late for me. But I could understand our resistance to go gung ho, a point kept us out of the bottom 2. Importantly physiologically.  Good save by Cornell from the free kick.

Overall, going into it...a point gained. But having seen our team raise its game so much when JFH was appointed (2 wins a a drawer from his first 3 games), I will reserve judging this team UNDER KC until after the first 5 games. Last night though gave us a platform to build upon. Swindon away next, and Id take another point from that game. Steady the ship first and foremost.
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« Reply #170 on: October 03, 2018, 13:00:23 pm »

For those who missed the Mansfield game it is pretty relevant to recall and compare the two games. Last night was an improvement from last Saturday and it was good to see the sides structure and discipline maintained thru' out. I still think some posters have a jaundiced view of the team who incidentally were applauded after the game. I thought Hoskins gave a cameo performance Roll Eyes Still his energy thru out was good and gave Bury several anxious moments. He missed two clear chances one of which was a gift for a. Actually he did ok.  Likewise his partner Williams also missed good chances but faded as the second half went by. For a big bloke his heading is poor. Cornell was ok with good positioning & catching. That type of display must infuriate some😎. To me Adams was not a MOM at all. Defence after the first 15 mins was ok with Barnett and Pierre all good. Thought that Facey stood of his man too much so allowing some dangerous crosses to come in. Tactically KC got it right although he might have brought vV on sooner. JJOT a bit off the pace but Taylor once he had settled down began to play with a hint of growing confidence as the game progressed. Certainly more hoof tonight - from both sides! Most players did their job on the night. I hope Hoskins lives up to KC expectations Roll Eyes



I think the team did OK yesterday. IMO I don't think there was an increase in their individual performances in particular, but they seemed to show signs of functioning together better as a unit and were following something resembling a game plan. Your point about Taylor showing signs of growing in confidence might be right. In fact I thought the team as a whole showed some signs of an increase in confidence. If Taylor can get back to the form he showed a year ago then he would be worthy of a place in the side and I would happily retract my views on his needing to be replaced.

I'm not sure what you mean by Cornell being OK with his catching, I don't recall him claiming many crosses and had to make no more than 1 or two saves. JJOT was off the pace but he is till building fitness. Austin made a mistake playing him in the first few matches when he was carrying an injury and this has set him back.

Hoskins continues to frustrate as you say. Can you imagine if the team had a winger with cutting edge in his place how many more points would be on the board by now? I wager we'd be close to the top 7.
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« Reply #171 on: October 03, 2018, 13:05:03 pm »

I am sure some people are employed by the club to give a Putin style spin on things .
The performance was well below par last night and the quality of play was shocking .
I am not saying we can’t improve but that was trough fodder , make no mistake .
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« Reply #172 on: October 03, 2018, 13:16:57 pm »

I am sure some people are employed by the club to give a Putin style spin on things .
The performance was well below par last night and the quality of play was shocking .
I am not saying we can’t improve but that was trough fodder , make no mistake .

With the greatest of respect you’ve repeated your view of the match/performance several times - one time was enough. No one on here is saying it was scintillating but we are where we are and there were glimpses especially in the first half of confidence starting to rise slightly. This is going to be a process and there is every likelihood that it might get worse before it gets better - we’re all going to have to be patient at least in the short term.
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« Reply #173 on: October 03, 2018, 13:35:35 pm »

Pretty sure that until we employ some strikers ,we will probably be relegated , of the 2 that started last night , their 12 month record is

Williams 0 goals
Hoskins 2 goals

That isnt going to change overnight if at all, we can keep as many clean sheets as we like, but without goals, we are buried
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« Reply #174 on: October 03, 2018, 13:41:46 pm »

Pretty sure that until we employ some strikers ,we will probably be relegated , of the 2 that started last night , their 12 month record is

Williams 0 goals
Hoskins 2 goals

That isnt going to change overnight if at all, we can keep as many clean sheets as we like, but without goals, we are buried


That’s my concern too - in the meantime we are going to need the likes of JJOT and crooks to start chipping in again and for Taylor and Pierre to score a few from corners/free kicks.
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« Reply #175 on: October 03, 2018, 14:46:47 pm »

First quote in bold...I don't think Notts were any worse than Notts...

Matter of debate I guess! Grin

Obviously an error in typing as I say Cheltenham and Cambridge at the end of the same sentence.....on well, pedants galore on here as expected!  Wink
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« Reply #176 on: October 03, 2018, 15:02:15 pm »

Pretty sure that until we employ some strikers ,we will probably be relegated , of the 2 that started last night , their 12 month record is

Williams 0 goals
Hoskins 2 goals

That isnt going to change overnight if at all, we can keep as many clean sheets as we like, but without goals, we are buried


Williams only made 9 appearances last season, don't know how many were starts, perhaps he was injured, I don't know. It stands to reason his scoring stats over that period will be at least very low. He's a new signing and he's not had a proper run of games for us yet where he has been receiving anything like decent service. In the three seasons before last season when he played regularly, he scored 44 in 129 games. That's better than 1 in 3, many of which were at L1 level. He should be able to do it for us in this league. Van Veen and Morias have goals in them and O'Toole/Crooks should be able to start chipping in as they both have done before. I think Waters can contribute as well as he scored regularly in this league a year or so ago.

If we can make it a habit of keeping it tight at the back as we did last night then we shouldn't need to score hat-fulls to start registering some wins.

We could definitely do with a decent winger/creative midfielder however to create more chances for these players.

As for Hoskins, enough said!
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« Reply #177 on: October 03, 2018, 16:07:56 pm »

 I stick by what I said Morias and Van veen only have 34 career goals between them. ok with Williams, over 3 years then , 23 goals. We need another striker or 2
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« Reply #178 on: October 03, 2018, 16:22:18 pm »

If I was a defender I would hate Hoskins. If I was a keeper I'd love him.

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« Reply #179 on: October 03, 2018, 16:54:42 pm »

If I was a defender I would hate Hoskins. If I was a keeper I'd love him.



You do wonder if he's short sighted or something - he has an uncanny ability to shoot at the GK whereas the gaps between the GK and the posts (can't see them).
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