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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2018, 20:00:27 pm »

Hoskins is a much better player than D'Ath, although that doesnt make Hoskins any good.
 As people have said, you cannot fault Hoskins' work rate, but his end product is woeful. Shouldnt be any where near a starting spot.

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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2018, 21:52:41 pm »

Since Wilder left he has spent two years playing out of position or (for about 10 months) sitting on the sidelines recovering from a horrific ACL injury. I think a lot of people seem to forget that.

Austin finally restored him to the middle of the park where he belongs and we have started to see the best of him again.

His every move seems to be subject to scrutiny at the moment though and whenever he gets the ball you can sense half the West Stand holding their breath waiting to jump on his back for any outcome that is not a goal or a perfect delivery.

Prime example against Bury, he got down the right and hit a cross that initially looked long and the moaning had already started, only for it to arrive perfectly onto Crook’s head at the far post. A chance he wasted. In the same game, Hoskins got fouled on the edge of their box but not given a free kick. The bloke behind me bellowed “Fukking get back Hoskins!” as Bury launched a counter attack. He was playing at centre forward, pushing on the last man.

At the moment he is a target for abuse from a significant section but I feel it is unjustified.

His recent “end product” has been much better since being moved into the middle. On Saturday he created several chances for others of which all but one was wasted, as he did against Vale and at home to Bury.

Hoskins big negative is he has missed some great opportunities himself of course. However, they all have. Crooks, Williams, Van Veen and Powell have all missed a string of absolute sitters themselves. Even the ever reliable JJOT has been passing up golden chances that he would usually bury. Williams for example has a consistent record of scoring at a rate of about 1 in every 3.5 games over the last five or six years, at League 1 Level of higher. His finishing has been woeful this year. Why is Hoskins so frustrating or his end product repeatedly singled out for criticism when it is certainly no worse than any of those around him?

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- he works his absolute b@llocks off
- he wins an unbelievable amount of headers relative to his size
- he has genuine pace and runs in behind to use it well when played centrally
- he can beat a player
- in spite of the criticism he still ALWAYS  shows for and wants the ball
- the vast majority of our best attacking moments involve him
- he creates opportunities for himself and others on a consistent basis.

I’d play him through the middle every week. He’s now on his fourth manager since Wilder, all of who seem to rate him as a first name on the team sheet. Personally I completely agree, but he needs to be played through the middle.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2018, 22:02:27 pm »

You have no idea about football do you mate. he cant play through the middle because he inst good enough at passing, or tackling. he cant be taken seriously as a forward as he cant finish.  play him on the wing were there is less to think about. cross the ball and track back. easy game really.
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Actually I have every idea about football and won’t embarass you by telling you just how qualified I am .
It’s all about opinions but Hoskins is not a winger . How many times do you need to see him play there and fail before you are convinced ?
He does create space for himself in the middle and his movement is good .
I think you may need to watch the game a little closer
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2018, 22:54:58 pm »

Since Wilder left he has spent two years playing out of position or (for about 10 months) sitting on the sidelines recovering from a horrific ACL injury. I think a lot of people seem to forget that.

Austin finally restored him to the middle of the park where he belongs and we have started to see the best of him again.

His every move seems to be subject to scrutiny at the moment though and whenever he gets the ball you can sense half the West Stand holding their breath waiting to jump on his back for any outcome that is not a goal or a perfect delivery.

Prime example against Bury, he got down the right and hit a cross that initially looked long and the moaning had already started, only for it to arrive perfectly onto Crook’s head at the far post. A chance he wasted. In the same game, Hoskins got fouled on the edge of their box but not given a free kick. The bloke behind me bellowed “Fukking get back Hoskins!” as Bury launched a counter attack. He was playing at centre forward, pushing on the last man.

At the moment he is a target for abuse from a significant section but I feel it is unjustified.

His recent “end product” has been much better since being moved into the middle. On Saturday he created several chances for others of which all but one was wasted, as he did against Vale and at home to Bury.

Hoskins big negative is he has missed some great opportunities himself of course. However, they all have. Crooks, Williams, Van Veen and Powell have all missed a string of absolute sitters themselves. Even the ever reliable JJOT has been passing up golden chances that he would usually bury. Williams for example has a consistent record of scoring at a rate of about 1 in every 3.5 games over the last five or six years, at League 1 Level of higher. His finishing has been woeful this year. Why is Hoskins so frustrating or his end product repeatedly singled out for criticism when it is certainly no worse than any of those around him?

Positives
- he works his absolute b@llocks off
- he wins an unbelievable amount of headers relative to his size
- he has genuine pace and runs in behind to use it well when played centrally
- he can beat a player
- in spite of the criticism he still ALWAYS  shows for and wants the ball
- the vast majority of our best attacking moments involve him
- he creates opportunities for himself and others on a consistent basis.

I’d play him through the middle every week. He’s now on his fourth manager since Wilder, all of who seem to rate him as a first name on the team sheet. Personally I completely agree, but he needs to be played through the middle.

Well I would'nt - as the right wing is probably perfect for him. Where your analysis lacks conviction is stating for a certainty that Hoskins needs to play down the middle. Except that DA and now KC dont appear to follow your 'advice'.
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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2018, 11:05:13 am »


Positives
- he works his absolute b@llocks off
- he wins an unbelievable amount of headers relative to his size
- he has genuine pace and runs in behind to use it well when played centrally
- he can beat a player
- in spite of the criticism he still ALWAYS  shows for and wants the ball
- the vast majority of our best attacking moments involve him
- he creates opportunities for himself and others on a consistent basis.


Negatives

- fcuk all hardly ever comes of it.
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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2018, 11:51:20 am »

Hoskins doesn't play , we win , this is a fact.
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2018, 12:32:27 pm »

Hoskins doesn't play , we win , this is a fact.

Colchester United? Good fact...
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2018, 13:10:52 pm »


Positives
- he works his absolute b@llocks off - NOT AS MUCH AS WILLIAMS V BURY
- he wins an unbelievable amount of headers relative to his size - HE DOESNT
- he has genuine pace and runs in behind to use it well when played centrally - HE IS QUICK
- he can beat a player - NOPE
- in spite of the criticism he still ALWAYS  shows for and wants the ball - HE DOESNT
- the vast majority of our best attacking moments involve him - THEY DONT
- he creates opportunities for himself and others on a consistent basis - HE DOESNT

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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2018, 13:19:55 pm »



Very subjective, but that is what all of this debate is...
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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2018, 13:20:42 pm »

My advice is to get off Hoskins Back. I am a fan of his and have been since the first time I saw him play.

I think the moaners are in a minority and I just hope Sam has not read this thread. It can be quite depressing how we treat players who have the right attitude.

He is a hard working enterprising player who has basically spent most of the last two seasons either recovering from a really serious injury or playing in an ineffective team. During that time he has had to undertake a number of roles to try and address the deficiencies of other team mates.

The guy has only started about 80 league games in his whole career and he is, in my view, still developing. He is not the complete article - if he was he would not be playing for Northampton.

Be patient, because I think he deserves better than some of the comments on this thread.



 
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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2018, 13:30:08 pm »

I would like to know how much time Hoskins spends just practising shooting and one on ones .
The club should be making him do this after everyone has left the training ground every single day .
I bet this doesn’t happen .
How much does he really want to improve and become a real asset ?
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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2018, 13:35:19 pm »

My advice is to get off Hoskins Back. I am a fan of his and have been since the first time I saw him play.

I think the moaners are in a minority and I just hope Sam has not read this thread. It can be quite depressing how we treat players who have the right attitude.

He is a hard working enterprising player who has basically spent most of the last two seasons either recovering from a really serious injury or playing in an ineffective team. During that time he has had to undertake a number of roles to try and address the deficiencies of other team mates.

The guy has only started about 80 league games in his whole career and he is, in my view, still developing. He is not the complete article - if he was he would not be playing for Northampton.

Be patient, because I think he deserves better than some of the comments on this thread.



 

He's been `developing' for about 5 years but has not actually improved 1 iota. Unfortunately he just lack a football brain and any quality at all in the final third.
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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2018, 13:38:34 pm »

He's been `developing' for about 5 years but has not actually improved 1 iota. Unfortunately he just lack a football brain and any quality at all in the final third.

I think you and I must be looking at a different player!
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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2018, 13:41:17 pm »

I think you and I must be looking at a different player!

He's only seen one game all season (last Saturday)...although I couldn't guarantee that because he didn't wear his flower in his hair.
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2018, 14:03:52 pm »

The reality is that Hoskins has potential and this is why he gets so much frustrating comments on this site.Apart from his first season under Wilder when he did score goals they have since dried up. He should not be jettisoned but it is now down to Curle to work out his best role on the pitch, over the last season or so I would say he is more of an impact player from the bench rather than being in the starting line up.  He is definitely not a lost cause, I remember a game against Bury under Page when he was virtually unplayable and made Leon Barnett, then playing for Bury, look a right carthorse.
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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2018, 14:28:49 pm »

I would like to know how much time Hoskins spends just practising shooting and one on ones .
The club should be making him do this after everyone has left the training ground every single day .
I bet this doesn’t happen .
How much does he really want to improve and become a real asset ?


probably too busy still rolling down his sleeves and shorts from the pre-season tour
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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2018, 14:59:00 pm »

My advice is to get off Hoskins Back. I am a fan of his and have been since the first time I saw him play.

I think the moaners are in a minority and I just hope Sam has not read this thread. It can be quite depressing how we treat players who have the right attitude.

He is a hard working enterprising player who has basically spent most of the last two seasons either recovering from a really serious injury or playing in an ineffective team. During that time he has had to undertake a number of roles to try and address the deficiencies of other team mates.

The guy has only started about 80 league games in his whole career and he is, in my view, still developing. He is not the complete article - if he was he would not be playing for Northampton.

Be patient, because I think he deserves better than some of the comments on this thread.

 

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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2018, 15:23:36 pm »

Sam Hoskins is a decent player but stuck in a poor team, maybe if the side start to perform on a regular basis this hard work will pay dividends.
A modern day Graham Felton.
All together now 'we've got Sammy Sammy Hoskins on the wing, on the wing..
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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2018, 16:06:44 pm »

I have said it before and will repeat, IF Sammy had a better end product he would now be playing in a higher division for a bigger team. Maybe Curle can be the one who finally makes the end product emerge.
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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2018, 16:19:15 pm »

My advice is to get off Hoskins Back. I am a fan of his and have been since the first time I saw him play.

I think the moaners are in a minority and I just hope Sam has not read this thread. It can be quite depressing how we treat players who have the right attitude.

He is a hard working enterprising player who has basically spent most of the last two seasons either recovering from a really serious injury or playing in an ineffective team. During that time he has had to undertake a number of roles to try and address the deficiencies of other team mates.

The guy has only started about 80 league games in his whole career and he is, in my view, still developing. He is not the complete article - if he was he would not be playing for Northampton.

Be patient, because I think he deserves better than some of the comments on this thread.




I would agree with you if he was improving, however he isn't.
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