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It was a long pass forward. Could Facey look along the line while simultaneously looking up the pitch at the exact moment the pass over the top is made? It's guesswork, Facey doesn't 'know' if he was offside or not.
Facey also may not have been the last defender looking across the line as this could well have been Turnbull who is in fact the closest to Reid as the ball comes over and who is also clearly appealing for offside.
What makes you think Facey would be looking 'up the pitch' the moment the pass is made? Linesman generally do ok with one pair of eyes. It's similar process for players, looking along the line if your the last man/linesman. If Turnbull was the last man and played Reid on then Facey would have also seen that. Turnbull however would not have been aware if Facey had played Reid on. The position is crucial, last man/linesman. A position Hoskins still seemingly has trouble with.
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I can't quite believe the amount of discussion over something that turned out to be an irrelevance. Then again having posted on here for many years I suppose I should.
Said poster has history of criticizing Cornell. I just wondered whether you thought Cornell deserved such outright caustic hindsight comment. We all know that the matter is closed/irrelevant. I do apologise for not making the query on Cornell clearer.
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Facey also may not have been the last defender looking across the line as this could well have been Turnbull who is in fact the closest to Reid as the ball comes over and who is also clearly appealing for offside.
Good point as from the video it appears that Turnbull was the nearest man to Reid. Where this leaves Facey in playing Reid onside is somewhat debatable! The Linesman had a opportunity to raise his flag when the ball was first punted upfield and must have noticed that Reid was in an offside position. For whatever reason he hesitated possibly because he was unsure. Still as said before it’s an irrelevance so no point in prolonging the debate.
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What makes you think Facey would be looking 'up the pitch' the moment the pass is made? Linesman generally do ok with one pair of eyes. It's similar process for players, looking along the line if your the last man/linesman. If Turnbull was the last man and played Reid on then Facey would have also seen that. Turnbull however would not have been aware if Facey had played Reid on. The position is crucial, last man/linesman. A position Hoskins still seemingly has trouble with.
I don't and obviously he wouldn't be, not if he was 'looking along the line'. Players often don't know if they are onside/have caught a player offside. More often than not they do, but to know all the time or even close to it is nigh on impossible. Flagging offside's can be a thankless task, because some are much easier to call right than others. It can happen that however well the linesman is positioned he may not be able to make a call correctly, and this can be especially true for long passes in open play. While linesmen get it right more often than not they often also get it wrong and sometimes quite badly. Ultimately the result made the decision irrelevant anyway.
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Three pages on whether or whether not FGR's goal was offside... never want to see any criticism again that Beds labours a point!
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Three pages on whether or whether not FGR's goal was offside... never want to see any criticism again that Beds labours a point! Unbelievable ,offside or not it was given , we won. no need for post mortem
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Said poster has history of critizing Cornell. I just wondered whether you thought Cornell deserved such outright caustic hindsight comment. We all know that the matter is closed/irrelevant. I do apologise for not making the query on Cornell clearer.
Some simply criticise because because just because others do. It almost becomes the fashion to do so. Sheep,well we have a few. The farmers give them plenty of tainted grass to chew on the sheep scoff it down and a little later produce sloppy $hite. Sorry for being a little cryptic.
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Three pages on whether or whether not FGR's goal was offside... never want to see any criticism again that Beds labours a point! Absolutely Unbelievable ,offside or not it was given , we won. no need for post mortem
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Just enjoy the win. I don’t care how we win anymore as long as we win.
Going out of league 2 would be a nightmare. Win pretty or ugly just get points on board and stay up.
Don’t know why some of you come on here to moan.
Come on Cobblers !
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Does it matter? As plenty of people have said, WE WON. Offside,onside, I dont give a sh1t. WE WON. And that doesnt happen very often. Enjoy the moment people.
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Unbelievable ,offside or not it was given , we won. no need for post mortem
I think it’s vital we set up another poll on this subject “Off Side, On Side, Can’t Decide, Which Side Are You?”. I’m not doing it though, I got shouted at last time I put a poll up on account of it being pointless.
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You all forgot it got Clarence back
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I don't and obviously he wouldn't be, not if he was 'looking along the line'.
Players often don't know if they are onside/have caught a player offside. More often than not they do, but to know all the time or even close to it is nigh on impossible.
Flagging offside's can be a thankless task, because some are much easier to call right than others. It can happen that however well the linesman is positioned he may not be able to make a call correctly, and this can be especially true for long passes in open play. While linesmen get it right more often than not they often also get it wrong and sometimes quite badly.
Ultimately the result made the decision irrelevant anyway.
As a centre half myself for over 40 years , I always knew if a player had been caught offside or not . It’s your job to know .
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As a centre half myself for over 40 years , I always knew if a player had been caught offside or not . It’s your job to know .
Gosh... What age were you when you retired?
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Waters still could have done better though as it was ultimately a decent opening, but I certainly wouldn't describe the chance as a 'sitter' by any means.
A 'sitter'may have been pushing it in hindsight. However, you can't hope to get better chances than that if you're a professional footballer. I have no issue with him not scoring, IF the keeper pulls off a blinding save, but you've got to be asking him to make a very tough stop. Not hitting the target there is is pretty criminal for a pro with that much space and a clear sight of goal. There must be countless non-league players who would expect to bury that more times than not. Will he get goals? I'm not too sure, but he's never really had a decent run of games, so I hope he does now as I think he's done enough to earn that. Waters always looked great against pre-season lower opposition, so hopefully a confidence boost from a run in a winning team can see him deliver at this level again. He seems to have bulked up a bit too btw.
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I thought the whole point of these message boards was to discuss every aspect of the club to the minutest detail. Keep going folks it’s what this is for.
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I thought the whole point of these message boards was to discuss every aspect of the club to the minutest detail. Keep going folks it’s what this is for.
Yeeeaaarrhh - come on Frank, it was fun while it lasted. Even the North Stand joined in! I thought Lord Clarence was quite eloquent on the subject. Hope we can get a similar goal at MKD!
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I’d love to know who the fella was who thought it would be a good idea to run topless onto the pitch with his jeans half way down his arse with bright green pants hanging out !!!! 🕺🏻
Call the fashion police quick 😂
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I thought the whole point of these message boards was to discuss every aspect of the club to the minutest detail. Keep going folks it’s what this is for.
Ok then sir. Your earlier assertion that a footballer is incapable of travelling five yards in half a second needs to be looked at again...
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As a centre half myself for over 40 years , I always knew if a player had been caught offside or not . It’s your job to know .
Hello, Franco Baresi I don't disagree that it's the defenders job to know, it certainly is, but that doesn't mean that they do know all of the time because that is self evidently not true even for many 'elite' level players.
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