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« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2018, 15:06:17 pm »

To say we were very poor is way OTT. We perhaps could have done better in midfield and attack, but overall we competed reasonably well against a well organised, quick and strong team, who are certainly as good as anything I've seen in this division this season. In fact with a bit of luck we could have got a point, allbeit undeserved. A few weeks ago we would have been raving over the commitment and improved defensive display shown by the players. Don't forget Curle has only been here a couple of weeks and has inherited the imbalanced squad we currently have, meaning his tactical options are also limited and he will always have to play at least one player in a position he is not ideally suited to.

The biggest disappointment for me was JJOT, who looked well off the pace and seemed at times to be going through the motions - should have been taken off IMO.
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« Reply #121 on: October 21, 2018, 15:17:47 pm »

I guess even though JJOT was having an off day one of the reasons to keep him on the pitch is he’s one of the few players with a goal him, other than VV, the suspended Crooks and maybe Pierre from a set piece who else in the squad is going to score?
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« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2018, 15:33:19 pm »


And I will single out Bridge for another shocking piece of "not playing for the team".....got hold of the ball and then lost it to two MK players about 40 yards out near the touchline, ended up on his bum, complaining that he'd been fouled, and was still on his bum when the MK players exchanged passes, advanced into the area and got a shot off. FFS get up and get on with it.....for the team!!

This comment defies belief. Bridge was clearly fouled and was then literally (and aggressively) pushed off the pitch (off the ball) by their player who should have been yellow carded. By the time Bridge had any chance to get up the ball was already almost in our box. Just another example of some very poor reffing, which happened throughout the match, and particularly linesmanship in this case. The linesman clearly saw the incident and did nothing.
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« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2018, 16:09:54 pm »

Why does it defy belief?? Thats what happened! He was muscled off the ball.....and the reason why neither ref or linesman gave nothing is because there was nothing to give!!

Regardless of whether you think it was a foul or not, Bridge still sat on his arse gesticulating and moaning for a good 20 seconds instead of getting up and getting on with the game. He wasn't injured, he wasn't hurt, but he didn't get on with it!

What defies belief??

BTW, I was above the incident......not in the away end some 80 yards away.......
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« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2018, 16:30:43 pm »

Yes GPC. But you had some 'hospitality' during the afternoon, so maybe your view was a bit tarnished for that reason  Grin
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« Reply #125 on: October 21, 2018, 16:33:13 pm »

Turnbull got all over the pitch - as did Cornell!  Grin
Men of the match imo.
JJOT rather ineffectual. Still can't decide who was most at fault towards the end - JJOT's over hit pass that screamed out of play or Powell for not even trying to latch onto it!
Hoskins...

Still think that performance would be enough in darkest Cheshire, Tues night!
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« Reply #126 on: October 21, 2018, 16:39:02 pm »

Yes GPC. But you had some 'hospitality' during the afternoon, so maybe your view was a bit tarnished for that reason  Grin

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« Reply #127 on: October 21, 2018, 17:30:39 pm »

Thought we were second best by a distance and the scoreline was very flattering. 4 or 5 nil wouldn't have been harsh. They were better in every department and I'd be surprised if they don't win the division. They've strengthened very well over the summer since relegation.
Also thought our support was pathetic sadly. So often is the case with a large following. Very hard to make any noise and was shocked at how many were sat down.

Agree with this. Amazed we kept the score down to 1-0 (we could/should have conceded 2 in the opening 10!). Hoskins had another dreadful game, as did Waters. Neither look up to it at all.
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« Reply #128 on: October 21, 2018, 17:35:51 pm »

Having seen the goal on tv Agard is just marginally offside. We never get the rub of the green at MK and often have terrible officials. Today was no different.

Having just watched it back I’d say it was level (so onside).  Their 2nd disallowed goal however was definitely onside so can’t say say we didn’t get the rub of the green for that one.
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« Reply #129 on: October 21, 2018, 18:58:38 pm »

Having just watched it back I’d say it was level (so onside).  Their 2nd disallowed goal however was definitely onside so can’t say say we didn’t get the rub of the green for that one.

From where I sat had no proper view but thought it looked a bit like poor defending. My Br-in-Law behind the goal claims it was off side by a yard. Certainly our players claimed it was off side. Having seen the high lights it does appear he has off side!

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« Reply #130 on: October 21, 2018, 19:06:18 pm »

In our current set up/formation Bunney would flourish.
https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/worked-jimmy-floyd-hasselbaink-burton-12139166

Bunny was slaughtered on here last season why would he want to return . Even if he did the he is on a season long loanand that means he cannot be recalled.
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« Reply #131 on: October 21, 2018, 19:43:59 pm »

He wasnt very good on the pitch either.
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« Reply #132 on: October 21, 2018, 19:48:48 pm »

The game yesterday shows how far we have alarmingly drifted .
MK were in a worst position than us last season and looked a very poor side and in a real desperate state .
They are now head  and shoulders above us and looked stronger , quicker and more skilful .
Curle can turn it around but we have lost serious ground .
We were outplayed all over the pitch
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« Reply #133 on: October 21, 2018, 20:39:08 pm »

The game yesterday shows how far we have alarmingly drifted .
MK were in a worst position than us last season and looked a very poor side and in a real desperate state .
They are now head  and shoulders above us and looked stronger , quicker and more skilful .
Curle can turn it around but we have lost serious ground .
We were outplayed all over the pitch

Defence not too bad so there is a glimmer of hope there. Granted midfield and forwards let a lot to be desired. Regarding  MK, they looked ok but will they last the distance? Remember we missed Crooks and Facey on Saturday. Are you a closet MK fan?
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« Reply #134 on: October 21, 2018, 20:47:23 pm »

Agree with this. Amazed we kept the score down to 1-0 (we could/should have conceded 2 in the opening 10!). Hoskins had another dreadful game, as did Waters. Neither look up to it at all.
This.
How Hoskins starts every week just goes to show how low we've dropped, I'm at a loss as to why he's in the team, he doesn't get near any headers, can't shoot or tackle and isn't even that quick.
Just runs about like a headless chicken.
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« Reply #135 on: October 21, 2018, 21:56:40 pm »

This.
How Hoskins starts every week just goes to show how low we've dropped, I'm at a loss as to why he's in the team, he doesn't get near any headers, can't shoot or tackle and isn't even that quick.
Just runs about like a headless chicken.

Basically I disagree with your appraisal and also with Wolvo on Hoskins. The problem is there a better headless chicken in the squad? If Hoskins is going to be played its on the wing not as a front runner. We have been poor since Wilder left declining down to DA's tenure.  Just hope Curle can arrest the downward spiral.  I agree we could have been two goals down after 10 min but after that defensively we improved. Hoskins was the only forward on Sat who carried any threat at all; Waters was easily seen off by Lewington. Hoskins often outpaces the full back(to no avail) and did so again on Saturday! I sense a bit of Curle dislike in your tone! Correct?
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« Reply #136 on: October 21, 2018, 22:37:50 pm »

We have been so devoid of direct, speed-merchants (since the sad demise of Hackett), then everyone gets lulled into a false sense of ignorance when talent emerges.
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« Reply #137 on: October 22, 2018, 07:37:07 am »

Defence not too bad so there is a glimmer of hope there. Granted midfield and forwards let a lot to be desired. Regarding  MK, they looked ok but will they last the distance? Remember we missed Crooks and Facey on Saturday. Are you a closet MK fan?
We were missing Crooks and Facey but they played the week before and we were just as bad with exactly the same problems in midfield and in attack .
I think we have to change it around .
Macwilliams simply has to come into the midfield to give us more bite .
Bridge also has to come in at left wing back .
JJOT and Buchs need to drop down to the bench .
As for the front players - the coaches need to earn their crust there - I have no idea how to get the best of those three . Hurry up Morias ...,,,
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« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2018, 08:32:57 am »

I was going on todays performance......and as you said...you didn't go!! Van Veen put in about three sprints all game...and when he runs he is quick....but he doesn't run enough for me!
Williams....i'm sorry....he's poor!! Another John Guinan/Warren Patmore/Ian Gilzean player!!

Yes we lacked quality.....because I don't think MK were all that at all! They had Agard and Aneke up front.....Aneke did virtually nothing. As for the rest of their team, apart from Lewington theres not one player you'd know by name and say "he is a decent player"

We too were relegated last season don't forget....home advantage in the soulless bowl? Not sure that counts for much!

No rose tinted specs needed.....we lacked quality, we lack a playmaker, someone who can make things tick, and we lack pace up front. Its League 2 FFS.....we are not that good or we wouldn't be down there!!

JJOT...please grow back your ponytail.....you're nowhere near the same player without it!!

Positives though...I thought the defence did well today, lots of effort and commitment, and after an extremely shaky opening O'Doffin put in a good shift.

I could only compare the effort of Turnbull and Pierre who threw themselves at everything MK could offer, to the effort of Van Veen who was slow to get back, slow to get forward, and Williams who was just slow!! Hoskins with his petulant stand in front of the free-kick taker earning him a yellow card only moments after one of theres had received the same for standing in front of Cornell.

And I will single out Bridge for another shocking piece of "not playing for the team".....got hold of the ball and then lost it to two MK players about 40 yards out near the touchline, ended up on his bum, complaining that he'd been fouled, and was still on his bum when the MK players exchanged passes, advanced into the area and got a shot off. FFS get up and get on with it.....for the team!!

Your post said 'lack', not 'lacked' hence I took it you were talking generally about the team rather than just about Saturday's match.

Yes we were relegated as well, as were Bury also and they along with MK are currently in the top 7. I would say that two of the four relegated teams being in the promotion race is no coincidence as it was no coincidence that Bury have so far looked to have the most quality (IMO) out of the teams I have seen so far this season. We finished above both of course!

It's also no coincidence that of the 3 teams which finished in the top 7 in L2 last season two of the three that didn't get promoted currently sit in third and second. One of those was of course managed by Tisdale (possibly the best manager at this level) who is now in charge at the Franchise, again no coincidence both clubs are in the top few and hence my belief that Saturday was likely to be one of the toughest games of the season.

Regards MK, just because you don't recognise their players by name doesn't mean they are no good. 7 of their starting XI on Saturday have been there were there last season, meaning they were playing at and could well be good enough to play at a high level, much like many of our players. Moore-Taylor was bought in from Exeter, while Houghton had been a regular for Doncaster the past two seasons, winning promotion and playing in L1. Many of their players have evidently got a decent pedigree for this level.

Midfield play-maker - we were missing Crooks. Pace up-front - we are missing Morias. I'm not saying we couldn't do with a more direct/pacey midfielder to give the team/squad some balance mind.

Final word about Bridge, to say that you're simply wrong. You say he was 'still in on his bum as MK players exchanged passes, advanced into our area etc'. You make it sound like a fair passage of player had passed. Bridge was blatantly fouled and from the moment he hit the deck to the moment Cornell tipped their effort over the bar, less than 3 seconds had passed. The MK players did not 'exchange passes' or 'advance into the box' as you say, the ball broke to an MK player who quickly whipped a cross into the box away from where Bridge had literally just been pushed over. Yours is an absurd criticism in this instance.
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« Reply #139 on: October 22, 2018, 10:34:34 am »

Final word about Bridge, to say that you're simply wrong. You say he was 'still in on his bum as MK players exchanged passes, advanced into our area etc'. You makhe it sound like a fair passage of player had passed. Bridge was blatantly fouled and from the moment he hit the deck to the moment Cornell tipped their effort over the bar, less than 3 seconds had passed. The MK players did not 'exchange passes' or 'advance into the box' as you say, the ball broke to an MK player who quickly whipped a cross into the box away from where Bridge had literally just been pushed over. Yours is an absurd criticism in this instance.

You've only witnessed what the highlights camera has chosen to shown you.
Bridge continued to stay sat on his backside waving his hands around like an abandoned baby long after the cameras cut away.
The reason he did this was an attempt to save face.
He got caught out in possession thirty yards from his own goal, that's irrespective of it being down to a foul or the ref not buying his fall.
He should have got up and played to the whistle.







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