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Hold Em Steady (For the Mods, this is about Northampton v Oldham)

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« Reply #160 on: October 30, 2018, 16:32:22 pm »

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« Reply #161 on: October 30, 2018, 17:22:28 pm »

Cornell was not at fault for that goal. Three defenders had the chance to clear it and didn't.

But between them it was virtually the only thing they did wrong. Great defensive performance from everyone on Saturday. A lack of mental strength was my big bugbear with these players, but they've shown they have it under Curle at the moment. The big test for them now is to show it across a sustained period of time, rather than making me fear it's another new manager bounce.

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« Reply #162 on: November 01, 2018, 06:30:29 am »

Cornell was not at fault for that goal. Three defenders had the chance to clear it and didn't.

Even if you want to give him a pass for not taking the ample opportunities he had to dive on the ball and smother it while it was sitting between a defenders legs and not moving, about a yard and a half away from him. Surely, allowing a weak toe poke to then go through both his hands, then his legs warrants some degree of blame for the goal?
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« Reply #163 on: November 01, 2018, 07:50:03 am »

JJOT for an air kick, Odoffin and Turnbull for poor attempts to clear, Odoffin for sitting on the ball, Odoffin and Turnbull for just looking at each other / the ball, Cornell for not stopping the shot.

Those saying he should have smothered it, he would have had to gone through Turnbull and landed on Odoffins feet, possibly injuring all three.

Although the goal was scrappy it was a good ball in by their player that lead to all the confusion, don't think any one player can be blamed.
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« Reply #164 on: November 01, 2018, 10:23:02 am »

Even if you want to give him a pass for not taking the ample opportunities he had to dive on the ball and smother it while it was sitting between a defenders legs and not moving, about a yard and a half away from him. Surely, allowing a weak toe poke to then go through both his hands, then his legs warrants some degree of blame for the goal?

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« Reply #165 on: November 01, 2018, 11:21:07 am »

Even if you want to give him a pass for not taking the ample opportunities he had to dive on the ball and smother it while it was sitting between a defenders legs and not moving, about a yard and a half away from him. Surely, allowing a weak toe poke to then go through both his hands, then his legs warrants some degree of blame for the goal?
We all see things differently. I'm not sure I've seen any keeper at our level witness chaos in front of them to that degree and fling themselves over three defenders, all of whom had ample opportunity to clear it. Not to mention I think his view of the ball would have been obstructed.

I think everyone knows I'm not his biggest fan, but I didn't even for a second consider him at fault for that goal.

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« Reply #166 on: November 01, 2018, 11:27:00 am »

The Cornell this and Cornell that is becoming a bit tedious - the goal was poor defending on a tricky ball situation - Cornell certainly did not help his critics by pausing whilst crouching over with two hands down appearing to wait for the ball - but equally what was he meant to do - dive into a ruck of players thereby committing himself and possibly leaving an empty net for Oldham to defend ?

Cornell was not our biggest problem when we were getting dreadful results and he is not now - personally I think KC will change the GK set up in January but in the meantime he is our first choice keeper and we should support him rather than over analyzing every goal we concede and either trying to blame him of defending him blindly.
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« Reply #167 on: November 01, 2018, 11:58:07 am »

Other than two wayward kicks he did nothing wrong all game. Not bad when you compare that to the kicking of the Oldham goalkeeper who hooked and sliced his kicks all game. Another angle, Cornell is playing the best he ever has for us at the moment. How are Richard O'Donnel (at Bradford) and Adam Smith (Bristol Rovers) getting on? I would't swap either of them for Cornell at the moment.
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« Reply #168 on: November 01, 2018, 12:20:04 pm »

Other than two wayward kicks he did nothing wrong all game. Not bad when you compare that to the kicking of the Oldham goalkeeper who hooked and sliced his kicks all game. Another angle, Cornell is playing the best he ever has for us at the moment. How are Richard O'Donnel (at Bradford) and Adam Smith (Bristol Rovers) getting on? I would't swap either of them for Cornell at the moment.

I might take Lee Nicholls back though.......................
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« Reply #169 on: November 01, 2018, 14:14:18 pm »

I might take Lee Nicholls back though.......................

Yes, Or Jason Steele. He was brilliant for us.
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« Reply #170 on: November 01, 2018, 14:48:44 pm »

Other than two wayward kicks he did nothing wrong all game. Not bad when you compare that to the kicking of the Oldham goalkeeper who hooked and sliced his kicks all game. Another angle, Cornell is playing the best he ever has for us at the moment. How are Richard O'Donnel (at Bradford) and Adam Smith (Bristol Rovers) getting on? I would't swap either of them for Cornell at the moment.

Have often wondered if ROD made the right move given Bradfords current league position and overall form.

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« Reply #171 on: November 01, 2018, 14:56:43 pm »

Have often wondered if ROD made the right move given Bradfords current league position and overall form.



Bradford are a big club - you’ve got to think they’ll turn it around eventually. From watching the goals on Quest I notice that ROD still throws a tantrum at his defence every time someone scores past him - it never appears to be his fault!
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« Reply #172 on: November 01, 2018, 15:17:42 pm »

Have often wondered if ROD made the right move given Bradfords current league position and overall form.

He wanted to be closer to home I thought, in which case it made perfect sense.
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« Reply #173 on: November 01, 2018, 17:15:11 pm »

The Cornell this and Cornell that is becoming a bit tedious - the goal was poor defending on a tricky ball situation - Cornell certainly did not help his critics by pausing whilst crouching over with two hands down appearing to wait for the ball - but equally what was he meant to do - dive into a ruck of players thereby committing himself and possibly leaving an empty net for Oldham to defend ?

Cornell was not our biggest problem when we were getting dreadful results and he is not now - personally I think KC will change the GK set up in January but in the meantime he is our first choice keeper and we should support him rather than over analyzing every goal we concede and either trying to blame him of defending him blindly.

If he was a commanding presence in goal, then yes, he should have.
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« Reply #174 on: November 01, 2018, 18:11:48 pm »

Cornell is a young keeper and he will make a few errors as he learns .
The defenders were more at fault than him on Saturday , but people pick on Dai to justify their own prejudices .
I don’t think Curle will change him in January - why should he ?
As I have said before , Cornell is playing better than Smith during his last season with us .
I think we have a good young player that’s risen to the challenge .
Stop knocking the lad .
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« Reply #175 on: November 01, 2018, 18:41:23 pm »

Cornell is a young keeper and he will make a few errors as he learns .
The defenders were more at fault than him on Saturday , but people pick on Dai to justify their own prejudices .
I don’t think Curle will change him in January - why should he ?
As I have said before , Cornell is playing better than Smith during his last season with us .
I think we have a good young player that’s risen to the challenge .
Stop knocking the lad .

All together now 'Stop knocking the lad '.
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« Reply #176 on: November 01, 2018, 19:22:18 pm »

Cornell is a young keeper and he will make a few errors as he learns .
The defenders were more at fault than him on Saturday , but people pick on Dai to justify their own prejudices .
I don’t think Curle will change him in January - why should he ?
As I have said before , Cornell is playing better than Smith during his last season with us .
I think we have a good young player that’s risen to the challenge .
Stop knocking the lad .
A lot of people have said lots of things about Cornell and there are lots of different views but to describe him as "a good YOUNG player" is pushing it a bit, he's nearly 28 years old !!!!!
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« Reply #177 on: November 01, 2018, 19:40:36 pm »

A lot of people have said lots of things about Cornell and there are lots of different views but to describe him as "a good YOUNG player" is pushing it a bit, he's nearly 28 years old !!!!!

Goalkeepers tend to play on well in to their 30s. He is only 27 and not 28 for another five months so possibly only half way through his pro career.
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« Reply #178 on: November 01, 2018, 22:40:02 pm »

Have you ever played the game at all ?
It’s like you once read a book on football without really understanding it .
So many of your comments are way off the mark but because you write a hundred words of spin per paragraph , it seems to bore people into submission .
It’s loke listening to a politician that never gets interrupted

Again you sidestep my post with something bordering on an ad hominen.

Which of my points do you not agree with?

To make it clear yet again, regarding Cornell's ability, in numbers to make it easier:

1. Should have stopped 1 of Carlisle's from outside the box two goals
2. Major error with a weak punch v Morecambe which only due to fortune alone didn't cost a goal
3. Poor decision to rush out after ball over the top v Morecambe + terrible positioning giving their attacker a tap in from outside the box!
4. Should have stopped Mansfield's first from nothing more than a firmly struck shott across his box, which went in at his far post,  from a tight angle
5. Kicking his clearance against Mansfield's attacker which cost second goal
6. Conceding Mansfield's 3rd goal through his legs from an acute angle
7. Terrible decision to rush out v FGR which in itself gifted them a goal
8. Horrendous spill against MK which only down to pure fortune didn't gift them a goal
9. Failure to command his box and claim numerous crosses v Oldham which, even though only in part, contributed to Oldham's goal

These are purely off the top of my head, but there are more examples.

These mistakes are too numerous, even for this level.

Cornell was a Page signing. Here's an interesting fact about Pages' signings: Gorre, McCourt, Boateng, Hooper, Beautyman, Revell, Hanley, Smith, Taylor, Sanoupe, Eardley, Paul Anderson, Keshi Anderson, and Cornell. All bar Cornell were playing no higher than league two level before Cobblers were relegated and are currently playing no higher than that level now. Some are even playing NL. Surely if these players were up to it they would have been snapped up by teams at a higher level after leaving the Cobblers?

Alas, no. They were all 'snapped up' by teams at L2 standard or less. Only Eardley, Taylor and maybe Revell and Boateng displayed signs of being remotely good enough for any higher than L2 level at best, this was my opinion at the time and has proven bang on the money. Revell and Taylor were past it 2 season's ago and are now at their level in L2 while Boateng and Eardley have enjoyed some success in this division and could perhaps succeed in L1.

IMO however Cornell is firmly in the trend of the (very consistent) poor Page signing, the Beautymen's, Gorre's, Sanoupe's, Hanley's et al and this is (IMO) on the standard of his play, glaringly obvious.

Name me more than one goal we have scored this season from a goalkeeping error. Is there one? Is it it none? It's a valid question and its answer demonstrates the Cornell critics points very well, to say the least.


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« Reply #179 on: November 01, 2018, 22:57:35 pm »

Goalkeepers tend to play on well in to their 30s. He is only 27 and not 28 for another five months so possibly only half way through his pro career.

Don't disagree, at least to an extent, but such goalkeepers normally demonstrate their respective abilities earlier than before they hit their 'peak'. How many keepers can you name which were very highly rated in their 20's only to then be considered 'ordinary' by the time they had hit their 30's? Joe Hart ring a bell? How about Fraser Forster? Or Claudio Bravo? Scott Carson? Chris Kirkland? With the rarest of exceptions a keeper will have demonstrated their best long before they hit 30. They may be able to sustain their best longer than all but a few outfield players (for obvious reasons) but they don't just improve out of no-where once they hit the 'big' three-O.

Cornell is at best a bottom half L2 keeper, in reality however he is NL league standard and without Austin's summer incompetence wouldn't be in the starting XI. As I've said before, now Curle is manager, Cornell won't be the number 1 by end of January.
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