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« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2018, 15:30:57 pm »

Very accurate picture of our current squad. We really are half the team when Crooks is out injured.
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« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2018, 16:18:01 pm »

At the time I did think he was replying to my post, and not the spelling of KEITH Curle. So, I can understand why you did it, still a bit childish though  Wink
Oh I realised that...
The idea that that you thought someone was already calling (seriously) for Curles head was what made your post so funny.
Thanks, but there was no need for further clarification Grin
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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2018, 16:53:11 pm »

I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers.

Keepers
Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper
Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level

Defenders
Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making
Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal.
Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO.
Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough.
Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.

Midfielders
Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA.
McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent
O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football.
Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams.
Kasim - does he exist?

Attack
Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer.
Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals.
KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford.
Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended.
Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal.
Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player.

So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level.

Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that.


Must agree with that in its entirety !
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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2018, 17:23:10 pm »

I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers.

Keepers
Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper
Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level

Defenders
Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making
Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal.
Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO.
Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough.
Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.

Midfielders
Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA.
McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent
O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football.
Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams.
Kasim - does he exist?

Attack
Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer.
Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals.
KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford.
Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended.
Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal.
Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player.

So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level.

Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that.
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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2018, 18:52:37 pm »

I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers.

Keepers
Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper
Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level

Defenders
Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making
Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal.
Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO.
Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough.
Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.

Midfielders
Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA.
McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent
O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football.
Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams.
Kasim - does he exist?

Attack
Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer.
Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals.
KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford.
Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended.
Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal.
Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player.

So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level.

Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that.


pretty accurate imo, but the assessment of Turnbull and Pierre is harsh.  a few weeks ago they were walking on water.

I don't think we have seen enough of bridge or waters to write either off, but i suspect Curle has/will

Morias has played a reasonable number of L1 games so to call him good L2 after 3 or 4 games is equally harsh
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« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2018, 19:28:52 pm »

Hi folks Carlisle fan here, not trying to rub your noses in it after such a poor result, but I can honestly say I'm not surprised at some of the comments about 'tinkering', I'm afraid this will go on and on and on................even when you have had a decent result, even when old Curly Chops has 'got his own players in'. You see the problem is he simply can not help himself, he has to **** about with the team, its like its almost inbuilt with him to 'change it'. He will trot out the same old excuses about 'The Northampton Board not matching his ambitions' when the **** hits the fan.......................but at Carlisle he was given the best budget of any previous Carlisle manager, but hey ho we couldn't match 'his ambitions'Huh?Huh?
You Have been warned.
Any comments about his legs?

Coming down to Northampton in January? Might be in for a tenner!  Wink
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« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2018, 19:32:33 pm »

I have absolutely no doubt he will (at first) make a difference, because players as always will want to impress their new manager, however give it a reasonable amount of games and then the tinkering will start in Earnest, he thinks hes a Premier League Manager in the 4th tier......honestly!!
That came to an end last night in Wales!  Grin
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« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2018, 19:54:55 pm »

Nothing I can recall in last night's post mortem interview with KC about bridges, pillars or foundations.  The only good thing about last night. 
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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2018, 08:15:31 am »

I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers.

Keepers
Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper
Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level

Defenders
Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making
Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal.
Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO.
Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough.
Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.

Midfielders
Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA.
McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent
O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football.
Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.
Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams.
Kasim - does he exist?

Attack
Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer.
Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals.
KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford.
Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended.
Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal.
Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player.

So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level.

Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that.
You could run through any division 2 squad and make the same glass half full assessment .
No one has a squad of players that donít have weaknesses.
Itís a case of what tune you can get out of what you have .
Additions need to be made and players need to go but we need to get some of these lads playing to their potential .
The league is very weak in my view , and yet we look a below mid table side .
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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2018, 10:22:12 am »

I think KC's comments about not playing JT show he knows he made a balls up on team selection - not sure it's always good as a manager to be totally honest as some will interpret it as weakness or being led by the chattering classes but team selection in 10 days will tell us a bit more about the man.
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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2018, 11:39:06 am »

At what point did we start to zonal Mark I wonder ?
I wonder if itís when we started to concede goals ....
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2018, 13:25:03 pm »

I think KC's comments about not playing JT show he knows he made a balls up on team selection - not sure it's always good as a manager to be totally honest as some will interpret it as weakness or being led by the chattering classes but team selection in 10 days will tell us a bit more about the man.

I disagree, a good manager should be able to explain the reasoning behind their decisions and to 'Own' them when they don't work out.

I remember wilder changing our system to a 4-3-3 away at Mansfield and us having one of the worst first half's we had under him. I think we were 2-0 down at the break. He then changed it at half time and we ended up with a draw.

When questioned about it after the game, he said (i am para-phrasing) 'don't blame the players, it was my decision to change the system and it clearly didn't work, i take full responsibility. After we changed it at half time, the players were excellent in the second half'

That's the kind of response that gets my respect. Own your mistakes, show that you understand what they were, why they happened and adapt accordingly to avoid them happening again.
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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2018, 13:41:32 pm »

We will soon see if KC thinks he made a mistake in dropping JT by witnessing whether he reinstalls him for the next league game.
I doubt he will
Itís zonal marking thatís the issue
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« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2018, 13:58:48 pm »

It might be something as simple as wanting to have a right/left footed combination so we have balance - donít get me wrong I would go for a Pierre/Turnbull combination any day of the week as Turnbull looks a more intelligent defender with much better distribution but as theyíre both left footed he might not like that. Also Taylor looks an absolute unit but in fact he hasnít been that dominant in the air for a while now and Turnbull is not exactly small.
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« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2018, 14:56:37 pm »

We will soon see if KC thinks he made a mistake in dropping JT by witnessing whether he reinstalls him for the next league game.
I doubt he will
Itís zonal marking thatís the issue

Reinstall him and drop Pierre... 'wink smiley'
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« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2018, 15:41:22 pm »

I disagree, a good manager should be able to explain the reasoning behind their decisions and to 'Own' them when they don't work out.

I remember wilder changing our system to a 4-3-3 away at Mansfield and us having one of the worst first half's we had under him. I think we were 2-0 down at the break. He then changed it at half time and we ended up with a draw.

When questioned about it after the game, he said (i am para-phrasing) 'don't blame the players, it was my decision to change the system and it clearly didn't work, i take full responsibility. After we changed it at half time, the players were excellent in the second half'

That's the kind of response that gets my respect. Own your mistakes, show that you understand what they were, why they happened and adapt accordingly to avoid them happening again.

Unfortunately you wont get any apology from old Curly Chops, hes never wrong you know!!
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« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2018, 16:06:43 pm »

I'm not excusing last night's result / performance but let's just take a moment to look at what Curle has got to work with. I have excluded youth teamers.

Keepers
Cornell - lower end league 2 / top end conference keeper - simply untrue
Coddington / Ward - unproven at league level   most likely correct
Defenders
Facey / Odoffin - young PL academy drop outs, the odd good game but obvious flaws in their game particularly decision making  .............mostly likely correct
Taylor - a caricature of a centre half, surely on his last professional deal. - again untrue
Pierre - erratic will look decent with an old head along side him IMO.................  Incorrect
Turnbull - decent league 2 defender, but probably not physical enough.............strange comment
Buchanan - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.  .............incorrect

Midfielders
Bridge - no evidence to suggest he is a league standard player on a consistent basis. Probably signed as he's mates with DA.   disagree with yr sentiment and biased judgement
McWilliams - young player, inevitably inconsistent  .......... agree
O'Toole - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.............cynical view point and probably incorrect
Crooks - best player in the squad, easily capable of L1 football....................correct
Powell - way past his best. Surely on his last deal at EFL level.....not passsed his best ok squad player
Foley - good player but seems to be a serial loser as he is involved in an awful lot of poor / relegated teams................totally incorrect - Average player with limited ability.
Kasim - does he exist? ............... silly comment

Attack
Hoskins - clearly not an EFL level footballer................best of a bunch
Williams - solid L2 pro, will get goals..................nice guy   20 goals doubtful
KVV - too good for this league, but can't mix it with the physical side so most likely an expensive luxury we can't afford............wrong again class for us but a red card awaiting.
Morias - good L2 pro, will get goals if he's fit / not suspended................really if he makes a total of 12 games thats a bonus
Bowditch - must've thought it was Christmas when JE gave him a 2 year deal..... another silly comment.
Waters - jury's out, not sure he's consistent enough to be anything other than a middle of the road L2 player......probably correct.

So we can see that he's managed to win 40% of the games in charge so far with a squad that is totally unbalanced, has no quality out wide and many players in key positions on the decline/in the twilight of their careers at EFL level.

Yes, the style has been a bit so-so but I said in August that the top 10 would be a strong achievement for this season and I still stand by that...........I would say that the squad is capable of bouncing right back particularly if Jan 1st is taken into account,

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« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2018, 16:09:55 pm »

Another Carlisle United supporter here, we are like busses Smiley

Just like on the Carlisle board, I totally disagree with Bry as since Keith left Carlisle United we have gone backwards and the football is worse - Bry is a good lad but what he fails to mention is how Curle turned us around and turned us into a decent side even getting us into the play-offs, given a full season there is no reason why you shouldn't be challenging which when you look at our last few seasons I am amazed at some fans not rating him, they are in the minority however as Keith won every single 'should we sack our manager' poll well, as in 'keep him'.

Our board did not offer him a new deal and then they had various managers in the box with them 'courting' his job and Keith remained dignified.


Bry however is an insider as in he works at our training ground so probably knew Keith and most of the players and has more info on him than anyone on here I guess but many of us on the Carlisle Board just believed that the players who were out of favour and not getting a game were getting in Bry's ear and slagging Curle off.

I bet that Bry has a good few stories that are true mind you that he wouldn't dare put online Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2018, 16:38:19 pm »

Another Carlisle United supporter here, we are like busses Smiley

Just like on the Carlisle board, I totally disagree with Bry as since Keith left Carlisle United we have gone backwards and the football is worse - Bry is a good lad but what he fails to mention is how Curle turned us around and turned us into a decent side even getting us into the play-offs, given a full season there is no reason why you shouldn't be challenging which when you look at our last few seasons I am amazed at some fans not rating him, they are in the minority however as Keith won every single 'should we sack our manager' poll well, as in 'keep him'.

Our board did not offer him a new deal and then they had various managers in the box with them 'courting' his job and Keith remained dignified.


Bry however is an insider as in he works at our training ground so probably knew Keith and most of the players and has more info on him than anyone on here I guess but many of us on the Carlisle Board just believed that the players who were out of favour and not getting a game were getting in Bry's ear and slagging Curle off.

I bet that Bry has a good few stories that are true mind you that he wouldn't dare put online Smiley

Thanks Munchy - a decent enough counter to Mr Brys effort where I gained the impression that he was representative of your board! Bit misleading there Shocked; he also sounded a bit bitter? Pleased you made the effort as it puts things in perspective.
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« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2018, 16:51:40 pm »

I disagree, a good manager should be able to explain the reasoning behind their decisions and to 'Own' them when they don't work out.

I remember wilder changing our system to a 4-3-3 away at Mansfield and us having one of the worst first half's we had under him. I think we were 2-0 down at the break. He then changed it at half time and we ended up with a draw.

When questioned about it after the game, he said (i am para-phrasing) 'don't blame the players, it was my decision to change the system and it clearly didn't work, i take full responsibility. After we changed it at half time, the players were excellent in the second half'

That's the kind of response that gets my respect. Own your mistakes, show that you understand what they were, why they happened and adapt accordingly to avoid them happening again.

Well said Rebel - mind you with your Managerial Qualifications, Professional Status and Education you should and have in fact put together a very good response. Well done.
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