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The Kieth Curle Post Honeymoon period

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« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2019, 18:24:53 pm »

OK Clarence, we get that you don't think that Buchs is the answer, so what would you do with our defence? I agree that Buchs is not a wing back but I cant see anyone better in the squad as a left back, unless you put Turnbull there and that means Ash Taylor plays and that means we concede goals. I think that if we go, tonight, with a back four of Facey (because there is no one else), Goode, Pierre and Buchs. Defensive midfield Turnbull and Shaun McW with Bridge and Elsenik in the hole and Junior and Andy W up front. You have then got 6 outfield players who know their job is to defend, not worry if they should be overlapping or anything else.
   That, in my opinion, is about the best we can do with the current, fit players, maybe give Sordell the last half hour in place of AW and bring JJOT on if any of the midfielders are struggling.

This is thread for KC's 'post honeymoon' period in charge and I think an analysis of why and where some of the problems are is fair, especially with so many seemingly calling for KC's head.

My point was that people pointing fingers at Curle for certain deficiencies with the team are, IMO, misguided. While I'm well aware of KC's reputation as a bit of a 'tinkerman' I think many of the changes he has made at times have been down to plugging gaps as best as he can and the LB area is probably the most glaring. He is also the second manager in successive January windows to see it as a priority to strengthen in that position (no coincidence) and has been unfortunate that the LB he signed has gotten injured.

Does he stick with his current system or stick Buchs back in and let us get torn to shreds there anyway? Because all of the evidence for the last two season suggests that is what will happen.

I'll say it again, the failure to recruit a LB over the summer and leave Buchs as our only specialist for that position was grossly negligent.

After Saturday and with Turnbull still out I'd be tempted to go with 4 at the back with Pierre at LB and 5 in midfield (If we've even got 5 who are match fit to play there at the moment). Williams up top on his own and Morias and Sordell as second half impact subs.

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« Reply #101 on: February 05, 2019, 18:31:36 pm »

I maintain that most of the problems this season were caused by failure to recruit a half-decent left-back over the summer.

Bunney was loaned to Blackpool and perhaps this was necessary due to getting his likely inflated wages, but to not bring in a replacement LB, leaving us only with Buchanan for the first 5 months of the season was absolute madness IMO. We have been so weak in this area for two seasons now and successive managers have tried and failed for one reason or another) to rectify this issue.

JFH initially tried to plug this gap by playing George Smith and Hanley either in Buchanan's place or in front of him in the left of midfield. As soon as the January window opened Bunney was bought in and Buchanan was dropped. Initially Bunney also put in some decent performances and we become a lot tighter at the back (though this was also partly due to Turnbull being bought in at LCB). Then after a few mistakes the crowd got on Bunney's back, he more or less went to pieces and JFH got the sack. Austin brings Buchanan back in and as the record shows, our defensive form got much worse from then on in.

Curle came in and to try and plug the LB issue soon began playing three at the back, with Buchs either dropped altogether or playing almost in an attacking midfield role where his defensive liability couldn't be exposed.

Early in this window Curle bought in Cox, who immediately replaced Buchs, just as JFH bought in Bunney who also immediately replaced him.

Now Cox is injured we're back playing either Buchs in a back 4 (not good enough) or 3 at the back with Buchs as LWB (laughable) or in LM (even more laughable).

The system isn't working at the minute, but if anybody thinks it would be any better with Buchs playing any of those roles on the left hand side then they are totally deluded.

It's a case of which kind of bread do you want to make your **** sandwich out of? It's still a **** sandwich either way.


Err Bunney was absolutely useless and he was given plenty of opportunity . It wasn’t just a “ few mistakes” , he was costing us games and it became an embarrassment . We were not tighter with him at all .
I agree that Buchanan has been unchallenged for some time but our problems go much deeper than him .
The right back position has in fact been more problematic recently .
We need to tighten up massively and I would bring Buchanan into a back four while cox is injured .
Two of Foley , JJOT , MacWilliams or Williams then need to sit in front and have Bridge back in the hole where he excelled against Carlisle .
Williams and Sordell up front .
Pierre and Turnbull in the centre and I would give Cameron MacWilliams a go at right back over Facey .
That is a competitive side
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« Reply #102 on: February 05, 2019, 18:35:05 pm »

This is thread for KC's 'post honeymoon' period in charge and I think an analysis of why and where some of the problems are is fair, especially with so many seemingly calling for KC's head.

My point was that people pointing fingers at Curle for certain deficiencies with the team are, IMO, misguided. While I'm well aware of KC's reputation as a bit of a 'tinkerman' I think many of the changes he has made at times have been down to plugging gaps as best as he can and the LB area is probably the most glaring. He is also the second manager in successive January windows to see it as a priority to strengthen in that position (no coincidence) and has been unfortunate that the LB he signed has gotten injured.

Does he stick with his current system or stick Buchs back in and let us get torn to shreds there anyway? Because all of the evidence for the last two season suggests that is what will happen.

I'll say it again, the failure to recruit a LB over the summer and leave Buchs as our only specialist for that position was grossly negligent.

After Saturday and with Turnbull still out I'd be tempted to go with 4 at the back with Pierre at LB and 5 in midfield (If we've even got 5 who are match fit to play there at the moment). Williams up top on his own and Morias and Sordell as second half impact subs.



You've added a fair bit in defence of KC, so Ill just throw in the obvious 'counters' to balance it out!

1. Taylor. It is becoming more annoying by the game why he keeps picking him, my opinion is that he's the biggest single problem in the team.
2. Facey. He shouldn't have got shot of the Dolphin man, who was much better in my view.
3. His subs. Pretty much every game make us worse. They are also totally reactive much of the time.
4. Wingback system. Regardless of his bad luck with the left back he signed, its clear as day that with the current available personnel, 4-4-2/similar is the best way forward.


I don't see many (if any) calling for his sacking at minute, but this weeks massive and that could change very very quickly!
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« Reply #103 on: February 05, 2019, 18:38:26 pm »

Re KC and forever changing systems and formation...The news from the inner sanctum is looking bleak....

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-boss-curle-confirms-he-will-keep-on-tinkering-1-8797145
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« Reply #104 on: February 05, 2019, 18:38:47 pm »

You've added a fair bit in defence of KC, so Ill just throw in the obvious 'counters' to balance it out!

1. Taylor. It is becoming more annoying by the game why he keeps picking him, my opinion is that he's the biggest single problem in the team.
2. Facey. He shouldn't have got shot of the Dolphin man, who was much better in my view.
3. His subs. Pretty much every game make us worse. They are also totally reactive much of the time.
4. Wingback system. Regardless of his bad luck with the left back he signed, its clear as day that with the current available personnel, 4-4-2/similar is the best way forward.


I don't see many (if any) calling for his sacking at minute, but this weeks massive and that could change very very quickly!

I don't see many calling for his head.....sure, many are fed up with his tactics, excuses, substitutions, tinkering etc, but it seems like many expect KT to pull the trigger sooner rather than later.
I don't know if this is just because KT has form.....or there is something else going on!

Edinburgh was sacked after 26 games in charge.....Curle takes charge of his 26th game tonight......just saying!!
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« Reply #105 on: February 05, 2019, 18:56:59 pm »

I don't see many calling for his head.....sure, many are fed up with his tactics, excuses, substitutions, tinkering etc, but it seems like many expect KT to pull the trigger sooner rather than later.
I don't know if this is just because KT has form.....or there is something else going on!

Edinburgh was sacked after 26 games in charge.....Curle takes charge of his 26th game tonight......just saying!!

I wish Curle and the team the best of luck tonight - 3pts hoped for although a draw is welcome. I haven't given up yet on the Manager Cool or team for that matter. Actually I find your message a bit misleading - do you hope for a decent result tonight?
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« Reply #106 on: March 03, 2019, 19:28:59 pm »

1st 10 games - Won 4, drew 4, lost 2.   16 points.
2nd 10 games - Won 2, drew 5, lost 3.  11 points.

Last 5 games - Won1, drew1, lost 3.  4 points.

I think its fair to say that we are now back to square1, and back to precisely where we were when a number of us trudged out of Field Mill after that 4-0 battering. Kieth became our manager the following week.

Started off well, very well. Gradually got worse. And have now hit another big big low.

What will the next 10 games bring folks? Will he survive them?




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1st 10 games - Won 4, drew 4, lost 2.   16 points.
2nd 10 games - Won 2, drew 5, lost 3.  11 points.
Games 21-26 - Won3, drew2, lost 0.  11 points.

So Keith (which I've definitely spelt correctly) is on track to have his best 10 games.

This mini run is very encouraging given its the first decent spell of form, new manager honeymoon aside, since Wilder left.

38 points from 25 games would equate to 70 points over the course of a season so edge of play off stuff. These last 5 games have made a huge difference to his stats, which are now impressive given he took over a team which had only accumulated 7 points from its previous 10 games.

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« Reply #107 on: March 04, 2019, 12:48:26 pm »

Other people who couldn't spell Keith...

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« Reply #108 on: March 05, 2019, 03:29:14 am »

Keith Hill is available, wouldn't mind seeing him in his jazzy attire on the Sixyfields touchline,

However I wouldn't swap our Keith for their Keith, ours gets results, theirs gets 1 cup run in return for 2 years flirting with relegation.
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« Reply #109 on: March 05, 2019, 08:50:57 am »

Personally I am not at all keen on Curle .
I don’t like his footballing style or philosophies and I think much of the time he spouts utter rubbish .
I also don’t think he’s tried to connect with the fans .
Having said that , we are where we are and have to put up with him.
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« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2019, 10:54:27 am »

Personally I am not at all keen on Curle .
I don’t like his footballing style or philosophies and I think much of the time he spouts utter rubbish .
I also don’t think he’s tried to connect with the fans .
Having said that , we are where we are and have to put up with him.


Maybe so but as long as he achieves we'll not be complaining too loudly.

Not there Saturday?
He was fist pumping when he came across after the game...not everything I know, but an attempt.
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« Reply #111 on: March 05, 2019, 10:58:06 am »

I think he is quite an astute character. I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago and he is very good at keeping that balance between not upsetting his staff (the players) while being fairly open about what he is trying to do.

I don't go in on this whole thing of is he good enough for us? Time will tell but while he is the manager and getting results I will support him. Ofcourse, once we are bottom of the league after 5 games next season, I'll want his head!  Grin
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« Reply #112 on: March 05, 2019, 21:58:03 pm »

Other people who couldn't spell Keith...

https://goo.gl/images/BKmiaE

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i before e except after k, any idiot knows that?
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