Another Pedj
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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2018, 17:06:12 pm » |
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I cannot see how it would work..5 fans putting in a million each perhaps... 1000 putting in £500 each cant really see it.the business model just doesn't seem possible.
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BackOfTheNet
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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2018, 17:11:49 pm » |
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I feel the club these past 12 years is less representative of the Town of Northampton and have distanced themselves from the community, to me it seems its more about our outsider owners who surrounded themselves with our more obsequious supporters to help with their personal gains from the land our clubs ground sits on.
Another Jimmy Hill moment! The club do more work to engage with the community than they ever have. Maybe have a read of this: https://www.ntfc.co.uk/club/football-in-the-community-trust/? And what was the stat the other week? 8 academy players in the squad and 6 born in the town? If you feel disengaged from the club, do you think that's possibly more to do with you than the club...?
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Tabasco Kid
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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2018, 17:37:28 pm » |
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If you asked 100 Northamptonian's would you be more likely to visit Sixfields to watch a community owned club trying hard to grow its standing within the game or that of speculators, just here to profit from adjacent land deals, the answer would be a resounding YES..
Yet more facts out of thin air. The answer would probably be, a resounding: see you at the Pickering Phipps for the Manc game. Apathy rules in this town. And we both know it. But you wont admit it.
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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2018, 17:39:32 pm » |
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I cannot see how it would work..5 fans putting in a million each perhaps... 1000 putting in £500 each cant really see it.the business model just doesn't seem possible.
You are correct 5x£1m =£5m 1000x£500=£500,000 The business model doesn’t seem possible Don’t apply for the job as treasurer pedj
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meccanostand
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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2018, 17:50:30 pm » |
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You are correct 5x£1m =£5m 1000x£500=£500,000 The business model doesn’t seem possible Don’t apply for the job as treasurer pedj The club was traded for a pound says cardoza. It has few assets and various unrecoverable costs to the current board. The club receives significant Solidarity Payments from the Premier League TV deal. These are set to increase with the new Sky deal. On top of that you have general turnover from season tickets etc .How do you think the likes of Morecambe stay afloat. The need for mysterious men in suits to run a club is exactly that. Obviously extra investment would be good and that is where a local monied interest might step in. On Drilling Cobblers poll a mix of fan and private ownership is popular.
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BedsCobb
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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2018, 18:22:22 pm » |
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I cannot see how it would work..5 fans putting in a million each perhaps... 1000 putting in £500 each cant really see it.the business model just doesn't seem possible.
Thomas and cardoza didn't put anything in and we just survive, minimal gate receipts and tv monies keep the club going at the moment so where has this need for a instant £5m come from? As a community fan owned club, it would generate way more at the gate and through sponsorships with a much much better chance to gain investment and other forms of help from local well heeled buisneses, who at present are like everything else are kept at arms length.
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BedsCobb
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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2018, 18:49:40 pm » |
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Another Jimmy Hill moment! The club do more work to engage with the community than they ever have. Maybe have a read of this: https://www.ntfc.co.uk/club/football-in-the-community-trust/? And what was the stat the other week? 8 academy players in the squad and 6 born in the town? If you feel disengaged from the club, do you think that's possibly more to do with you than the club...? Jimmy Hill was a genius not only when playing the game, running football clubs as well as presenting match of the day. He took an unfashionable Cov city from the 4th division to top division where they remained for 20 plus years, introducing football to the benefits of having at the time a modern stadium and other innovative things like shirt sponsorship etc. So your constant references to him is a bit baffling? What we wouldn't give for someone of such vision to walk into Sixfields today. 😂 Yes the youngsters are doing well but sadly our poor infrastructure will see them all go for peanuts as per always. We like every single other club have a duty to go into the community to present the club to its public. Where we fall flat on our faces is our inability to improve infrastructure so gates haven't improved in 20 years despite another 70,000 inhabitants moving into the Town. Hiding behind the big green mascot thing with a saggy felt bag for a face about sums up how low our club have sunk.
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Tabasco Kid
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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2018, 20:04:54 pm » |
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Its interesting David, that you never respond to my posts. Why is that?
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Were in the pipe 5 by 5.
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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2018, 20:14:05 pm » |
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So Tabasco if you were an Oxford fan you wouldn't want KT but as you are an NTFC fan he is ok for you?
So David Jackson for example would be welcome at Oxford but you don't want him at NTFC?
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everbrite
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2018, 20:48:58 pm » |
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Yet more facts out of thin air. The answer would probably be, a resounding: see you at the Pickering Phipps for the Manc game. Apathy rules in this town. And we both know it. But you wont admit it.
I think you are wrong, at the moment the public basically support the Saints. It was the Cobblers once! If the current side can put a run together it will draw in the missing fans as all the Wembley appearances proved. We have a decent hardcore of support which with the right team and manager will attract more support. Why do you try to play mind games on a Football Forum.
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« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2018, 22:06:45 pm » |
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If there is no alternative to the Trust, then so be it. But any chance that a decent investor can be attracted, has to be the preferred choice.
The whole redev thing has brought out the worse in to many people. Me included at times. It’s time for a break away from it all for me.
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2018, 00:01:22 am » |
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If there is no alternative to the Trust, then so be it. But any chance that a decent investor can be attracted, has to be the preferred choice.
The whole redev thing has brought out the worse in to many people. Me included at times. It’s time for a break away from it all for me.
Amen.
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Another Pedj
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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2018, 08:12:50 am » |
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You are correct 5x£1m =£5m 1000x£500=£500,000 The business model doesn’t seem possible Don’t apply for the job as treasurer pedj Missed a 0 there. Poor show from an accountant!
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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2018, 10:29:07 am » |
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The whole redev thing has brought out the worse in to many people. Me included at times. It’s time for a break away from it all for me.
It’s become like a Brexit discussion - people so entrenched in there views that they become incapable of listening to another point of view on a complex subject - the irony in both cases is the vast majority of the people want the best for the country/NTFC
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BedsCobb
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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2018, 11:09:08 am » |
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It’s become like a Brexit discussion - people so entrenched in there views that they become incapable of listening to another point of view on a complex subject - the irony in both cases is the vast majority of the people want the best for the country/NTFC
I would be surprised if we are that split in opinion, everyone agrees and so does Thomas that his work here is done he has all his land lease deals done, possibly just a matter of selling the club as a seperate entity from the land or get the new owners to spend many millions to also acquire the land from them. I would be surprised if anyone pays over the odds for a league 2 club without functioning infrastructure, so our next best thing would be a community run club, as opposed to 'fan' where the club starts to represent its entire 300,000 catchment and not a just our small band of hardy fans. After 2 years of steady growth and improvements the club could be then in a good position to be taken over by the right organisation.
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tcobb
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« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2018, 11:45:05 am » |
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Who in the community would pay for the running of the club ?
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BedsCobb
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« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2018, 12:45:12 pm » |
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Who in the community would pay for the running of the club ?
The same way it does now, through the gate, sky money, league affiliation, sponsorship, investors etc etc, but only far more professional and with a purpose and a direction that the whole town and catchment can get involved with to differing degrees allowing a vast improvement in turn over. Hopefully the adjacent land has now long gone and those who fought hard to secure it, cashes in and speedily moves on to new pastures but allows our club to do what it does best, recovers from adversity but only this time, progress into a club befitting such a large town.
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tcobb
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« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2018, 13:22:35 pm » |
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Im quite certain a football club requires injections of cash from its owners/ board members. If the club is community owned how would this cash be raised when needed?
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guest48
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« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2018, 13:55:50 pm » |
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Im quite certain a football club requires injections of cash from its owners/ board members. If the club is community owned how would this cash be raised when needed?
Is this really the case? I think the only cash injections we have had from KT are paying off HMRC when he took over and paying off a few crap managers. But does KT take a wage from NTFC ? DC did and I would think there's a fair chance that KT does so that's a potential saving. Obviously a community run club would have to live within its means but several Trust run clubs, that are all above us, manage to do that on smaller gates than we get, so it's quite possible to do.
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BedsCobb
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« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2018, 14:10:36 pm » |
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Im quite certain a football club requires injections of cash from its owners/ board members. If the club is community owned how would this cash be raised when needed?
Only if they screw up and face relegation from league 1 which will result in over a £1m in losses as a result. The money usually thrown at this desperate situation will be in the form of the following seasons budget, future earnings from land leases or the old style Cardoza and the ridiculous claims of £8m in loans to the club, despite us having nothing to show from such a vast sum.. 😂 They're many owners flush with cash that needs 'investing' but our owners are here to profit only, so fear not, they won't be using any of their own money.
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