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« Reply #860 on: January 15, 2019, 10:24:08 am »

More detail is here:

https://twitter.com/CobblerEd27/status/1084548594944954368

Same source "We have 22 points from a possible 30 without Taylor in the side, compared to 11 from 36 when he does play."
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« Reply #861 on: January 15, 2019, 10:42:13 am »

More detail is here:

https://twitter.com/CobblerEd27/status/1084548594944954368

Same source "We have 22 points from a possible 30 without Taylor in the side, compared to 11 from 36 when he does play."

Surely KC realises that AT is a liability when in the side...

It's not just his own poor form but the fact that he completely unsettles the whole team when he plays...

After initially thinking we had no chance of a win on Saturday, my hopes were considerably raised on my walk to the stadium, hearing that AT wasn't playing...

The fact is, a home grown 18 year old on his full home debut showed more composure and quality distribution, than AT has all season...

If he gets straight back in the team when fit again then KC will lose all respect...

This isn't a witch hunt against the fella but it's blatantly obvious we're a much better team when he's not in it.

Really hope he goes during this window/Summer window but as DA said on his twitter q & a the other weekend, no-one showed any interest in taking Taylor during last Summer & I can see why....
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« Reply #862 on: January 15, 2019, 10:46:33 am »



Really hope he goes during this window/Summer window but as DA said on his twitter q & a the other weekend, no-one showed any interest in taking Taylor during last Summer & I can see why....


He's got 18 months left on his contract.
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« Reply #863 on: January 15, 2019, 11:22:57 am »

He's got 18 months left on his contract.
They canít come quick enough. I get the feeling Curlio is going to keep rotating him in. I still think heís a decent player and canít entirely put my finger on what happens, but whatever it is he definitely fcuks us up.
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« Reply #864 on: January 15, 2019, 11:35:54 am »

I believe that since Curle arrived...

Games Taylor started...Ö...
P12 W1 D7 L4
Goals for 13
Goals Against 17

Games Taylor didn't start...
P11 W7 D2 L2
Goals for 23
Goals Against 10

I made a few posts about Taylor's (and Buchs') stats months ago, prior to Curle coming in. Some more damning stats:

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Since August last year Taylor and Buchanan have been easily our most regular players at the back by some stretch. In that time they have started 42 league matches at the same time for a total of 76 goals conceded! This is a shocking record and speaks volumes. Despite how often they berate team mates after we concede IMO they are our the most culpable members of the squad by far.

I also find it interesting that both backed Austin for the job and Buchanan at least was reinstated in the team by him after the sacking of JFH despite the large defensive improvement whilst he was out of the side. It should also noted that JFH attempted to resolve the LB issue before the January window, by playing first George Smith and then Hanley in front of Buchs to seemingly give him some protection, so he obviously saw this position as a big cause for concern early on in his tenure. It should also be noted that JFH dropped Buchanan from not only the XI but the 18. Was Buchanan injured? If not then I think this is pretty telling. Austin was JFH's assistant but his actions as manager show that he clearly did not agree with him regarding this.

Further to this, Austin was seemingly happy to drop certain player due to one or two off-colour performances but others retained their place however bad they played and also seemed immune from criticism even at the very end. I can't help but think that something stinks about this whole situation.

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Since the promotion season we have played 100 league games. Buchs is the player who has started by far the most of those matches, in 85 of the 100. In those 85 we have conceded 142 goals, an average of 1.7 a game. This is quite simply a terrible goals conceded average.

Hasselbaink attempted to change the obvious problem at LB in January by bringing in Bunney and (rightly IMO) dropping Buchs. However Bunney made some early errors and his confidence seemingly got shot to bits. This wasn't helped by the fans getting on his back and chanting for Buchs, despite the massive overall defensive improvement during Bunney's run in the side.
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Taylor and Buchanan were the only players who were regular starters in the back four during both of the worse runs of defensive form last season.

In the 32 matches where both Taylor and Buchanan played together we conceded 59 goals, an average of just under 2 goals per game.

Last seasons final average was 77 conceded in 46, or roughly 1.66 goals per match.

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« Reply #865 on: January 15, 2019, 12:24:58 pm »

They are pretty damming statistics.  

says it all really, should not have been brought back into the team so quickly, i still think he is a bad influence on the morale of the younger players.
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« Reply #866 on: January 15, 2019, 12:37:03 pm »

says it all really, should not have been brought back into the team so quickly, i still think he is a bad influence on the morale of the younger players.

Oddofin in-particular looks a different player with him not in the side.
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« Reply #867 on: January 15, 2019, 13:13:05 pm »

There really is a lot of unqualified rubbish talked on here about Taylor which people spout off as though it is gospel truth .
You really do have no idea whether he is a good or bad influence on the team unless you are in that changing room. I would suggest not many know what sort of character he is or whether he is a positive person in the team.
He must have something going for him to be named captain and for Austin to refuse to let him go in the summer .
I am not particularly defending his performances this season, the statistics donít lie and he travels from Merseyside but he did perform well last season when all is said and done.
I just think the criticism is a bit over the top .
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« Reply #868 on: January 15, 2019, 13:18:28 pm »

There really is a lot of unqualified rubbish talked on here about Taylor which people spout off as though it is gospel truth .
You really do have no idea whether he is a good or bad influence on the team unless you are in that changing room. I would suggest not many know what sort of character he is or whether he is a positive person in the team.
He must have something going for him to be named captain and for Austin to refuse to let him go in the summer .
I am not particularly defending his performances this season, the statistics donít lie and he travels from Merseyside but he did perform well last season when all is said and done.
I just think the criticism is a bit over the top .

what doesn't help him is the way he publicly berates fellow players when the goals have gone in.  i have no idea what he is saying, but it doesn't seem to be overly positive or motivational to me.

the stats don't lie, without him, we have had significantly better results this season.
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« Reply #869 on: January 15, 2019, 13:21:20 pm »

There really is a lot of unqualified rubbish talked on here about Taylor which people spout off as though it is gospel truth .
You really do have no idea whether he is a good or bad influence on the team unless you are in that changing room. I would suggest not many know what sort of character he is or whether he is a positive person in the team.
He must have something going for him to be named captain and for Austin to refuse to let him go in the summer .
I am not particularly defending his performances this season, the statistics donít lie and he travels from Merseyside but he did perform well last season when all is said and done.
I just think the criticism is a bit over the top .

I do agree although stats don't lie, there is an awful lot of over the top criticism
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« Reply #870 on: January 15, 2019, 13:30:15 pm »

The one thing I don't agree with is directly @ messaging players slagging them off on Twitter, mainly because the player is on a hiding to nothing in that scenario as any retort will be picked up and reported as a 'spat'.

Other than that I'm not sure Ash Taylor reads message boards, or searches for himself on social media. If he does then that's kind of his own fault...
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« Reply #871 on: January 15, 2019, 13:36:18 pm »

I believe that since Curle arrived...

Games Taylor started...Ö...
P12 W1 D7 L4
Goals for 13
Goals Against 17

Games Taylor didn't start...
P11 W7 D2 L2
Goals for 23
Goals Against 10

Based off above, if we replicate these over a season based on averages, with Taylor in the team since Curle arrived, we've been getting 0.83 points per game which would result in a total of 38 points over a 46 game season. Without him in the team, we would be averaging pretty much 2.10 points per game and be on course for 96 points were we to maintain that average over the season. Even allowing for a considerable lapse in form, that is the sort of form one expects from a club in the top three. I do hate picking on one particular player (I even felt sorry for Danny Alfei), but the numbers don't lie.
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« Reply #872 on: January 15, 2019, 13:52:46 pm »

what doesn't help him is the way he publicly berates fellow players when the goals have gone in.  i have no idea what he is saying, but it doesn't seem to be overly positive or motivational to me.

the stats don't lie, without him, we have had significantly better results this season.
So does Buchanan and Matt Taylor did the same .
Often Buchanan throws his arms up at something which he could have prevented !
You donít know , unless you play in the team how this may or may not affect people.
Taylor is not a terrible player like say for example Sinclair or Alfei but is out of form . I think Sampson hasnít helped his cause by publicly slating him on the radio.
Heís got 18 months to go and I doubt heís off in this window so heís here for a while .
Letís compare Jay Williams to Taylor when he comes up against a bruiser who can head the ball.
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« Reply #873 on: January 15, 2019, 14:11:00 pm »

there is an awful lot of over the top criticism
😁 For Dave Cornell.
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« Reply #874 on: January 15, 2019, 14:20:21 pm »

😁 For Dave Cornell.

No not overtop.

Just honest.
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« Reply #875 on: January 15, 2019, 14:30:00 pm »

There really is a lot of unqualified rubbish talked on here about Taylor which people spout off as though it is gospel truth .
You really do have no idea whether he is a good or bad influence on the team unless you are in that changing room. I would suggest not many know what sort of character he is or whether he is a positive person in the team.
He must have something going for him to be named captain and for Austin to refuse to let him go in the summer .
I am not particularly defending his performances this season, the statistics donít lie and he travels from Merseyside but he did perform well last season when all is said and done.
I just think the criticism is a bit over the top .

It's called having an opinion... Grin

I agree, no need get personal with any player, but the facts do speak for themselves...

No idea what type of character he is in the dressing room, but it's plain to see when he plays, the whole team are alot more anxious esp the defensive unit as a whole.

Oh, and Austin did not refuse to let him go in the Summer, there was simply no interest from any clubs regarding AT (direct from DA on twitter)

I just hope he moves on for all concerned as we're certainly not getting value for the money with his performances this season so far...
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« Reply #876 on: January 15, 2019, 14:44:21 pm »

Curle must surely be aware of the stats with / without Taylor. Why did he keep picking him, does he believe it to be a coincidence? Is he confident that he knows the reasons for those defeats and is comfortable Taylor wasn't a cause? I think if I was in Curle's shoes I'd have taken him out for a couple of games to see, maybe the latest injury has helped him with that.

Part of the problem with Taylor and the fan base is that has pretty much become the accepted truth amongst the fans that he is a bad egg / has an attitude problem. When he was out earlier in the season all the talk around the ground on match days were that Curle bombed him out due to his attitude, or that him and Barnett had a punch up and were both sent away from the squad. It is all classic 2+2 = ?. The stuff about him swearing and storming off on Saturday was presented originally as though it was an eye witness account, only later for that person to back track to it being relayed from a 'reliable source'. It's a bit like a newspaper running an inflammatory front page and apologising a day later on page 16, the damage is done.

It might all be true but as Boot & Shoe says who knows. There is a lot of talk on here (and twitter) about players who don't care or have a bad attitude when none of us know if it is true at all, but it absolutely sticks.
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« Reply #877 on: January 15, 2019, 15:00:13 pm »

It's called having an opinion... Grin

I agree, no need get personal with any player, but the facts do speak for themselves...

No idea what type of character he is in the dressing room, but it's plain to see when he plays, the whole team are alot more anxious esp the defensive unit as a whole.

Oh, and Austin did not refuse to let him go in the Summer, there was simply no interest from any clubs regarding AT (direct from DA on twitter)

I just hope he moves on for all concerned as we're certainly not getting value for the money with his performances this season so far...
Austin did refuse to let Taylor go because he wanted to leave . There may well have been no offers like there were no acceptable offers for other players , but the fact is they didnít want to lose him .
Iím not here to defend Taylor but donít present supposition as fact
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« Reply #878 on: January 15, 2019, 15:32:31 pm »

Curle must surely be aware of the stats with / without Taylor. Why did he keep picking him, does he believe it to be a coincidence? Is he confident that he knows the reasons for those defeats and is comfortable Taylor wasn't a cause? I think if I was in Curle's shoes I'd have taken him out for a couple of games to see, maybe the latest injury has helped him with that.

Part of the problem with Taylor and the fan base is that has pretty much become the accepted truth amongst the fans that he is a bad egg / has an attitude problem. When he was out earlier in the season all the talk around the ground on match days were that Curle bombed him out due to his attitude, or that him and Barnett had a punch up and were both sent away from the squad. It is all classic 2+2 = ?. The stuff about him swearing and storming off on Saturday was presented originally as though it was an eye witness account, only later for that person to back track to it being relayed from a 'reliable source'. It's a bit like a newspaper running an inflammatory front page and apologising a day later on page 16, the damage is done.

It might all be true but as Boot & Shoe says who knows. There is a lot of talk on here (and twitter) about players who don't care or have a bad attitude when none of us know if it is true at all, but it absolutely sticks.

Actually I support B&S stance on Taylor and share your comments about unsubstantiated rumour presented as facts. This from posters who clearly have a personal agenda who will do anything to paint Taylor in a poor light. The same happened to vV , Crooks ; still ongoing
with Cornell and Hoskins. Its shameful one sided abuse\hate call it what you like on our own players. Some of it is called opinion but to any educated poster it isn't. Deepcut used to intervene to caution against posters who used their opinions as facts.; what happened to that admirable discipline?
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« Reply #879 on: January 15, 2019, 15:33:16 pm »

For a transfer rumour thread, there's an awful lot of non transfer chatter  Cheesy Cheesy
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