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Then why make it up? I suppose I can't blame you when I look at brexit/trump, you can make anything up and get away with it.
Also people saying that Crooks isn't consistant enough. When he's good he's on another level and when he's not he's still as good compared to most. It's League Two!
Call it an educated guess, he'd be on good money at Rangers and would not have taken a cut to come to us. Yes it's lg2 but whatever his wage and you like me are guessing for sure. But it will be more (far more) than most lg2 fotballers. I got one would expect a better return (more consistant)
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Call it an educated guess, he'd be on good money at Rangers and would not have taken a cut to come to us.
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Call it an educated guess, he'd be on good money at Rangers and would not have taken a cut to come to us. Yes it's lg2 but whatever his wage and you like me are guessing for sure. But it will be more (far more) than most lg2 fotballers. I got one would expect a better return (more consistant)
Except I'm not guessing. Or making up numbers.
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Pierre is a decent league 2 centre back no more no less - we have had better in the past and will have better in the future.
You can't believe this surely? The guy is, in my opinion, easily our most consistent performer week in week out - and in all likelihood our best player too. There's a reason much bigger clubs than us have / are looking at him. He's a fantastic centre back for this level - quick, very strong, dominant in the air, reads danger well, can play on the ground (albeit not quite as well as Turnbull), and is a goal threat on top of all that. Him and Turnbull make Taylor look like he should be playing for a team like Kettering (well....). IMO we should sign up Pierre and Turnbull for as long as possible and let them develop a partnership capable of taking us out of the division next season (requires better teammates around them mind).
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Honestly, the whole "Crooks doesn't look interested most of the time" line is the laziest of analysis. Yes, he has a very languid style but that is who he is and how he plays.
To say Crooks is less interested in trying/winning than, for example Buchanan, Foley, Hoskins or A.Williams on the basis they either run around a lot or show plenty of "pashun", or both is misguided at best.
This exactly. If we had three Crooks in the middle of the park in our current formation, I believe we would outplay and usually beat 90% of teams in our division. He is a class above this league.
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You can't believe this surely? The guy is, in my opinion, easily our most consistent performer week in week out - and in all likelihood our best player too. There's a reason much bigger clubs than us have / are looking at him! He's a fantastic centre back for this level - quick, very strong, dominant in the air, reads danger well, can play on the ground (albeit not quite as well as Turnbull), and is a goal threat on top of all that! Him and Turnbull make Taylor look like he should be playing for a team like Kettering (well....). IMO we should sign up Pierre and Turnbull for as long as possible and let them develop a partnership capable of taking us out of the division next season (requires better teammates around them mind).
Yes agree he is one of our better player, but look his never played above lg2 (other than half a season with us). Bristol City has him in trail for a month and didn't fancy him at the end of it. Yes he is decent enough at this level but if anyone really fancied him get have gone in the summer. You watch him leave for a championship club now 😉😂
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I’m hearing that Sam Hoskins is about to sign a 5 year contract extension...
Thats worth a few laughs in anybody's books More please
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This exactly. If we had three Crooks in the middle of the park in our current formation, I believe we would outplay and usually beat 90% of teams in our division. He is a class above this league.
Why is he still here then?? How come no one came in for him in the summer? He is without doubt our best and most creative player in the middle of the park, but he only turns up and plays 1 in every 4 or 5 games. He is a luxury type player and is that something we can afford? I think people sit and look at the current squad and think can we afford to lose him, but who knows what plans KC has going forward
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The reason we are poor at the moment is because of the two full (wing) backs and two wingers NOT VV, Crooks and Pierre!
You have forgotten Cornell.
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Honestly, the whole "Crooks doesn't look interested most of the time" line is the laziest of analysis. Yes, he has a very languid style but that is who he is and how he plays.
To say Crooks is less interested in trying/winning than, for example Buchanan, Foley, Hoskins or A.Williams on the basis they either run around a lot or show plenty of "pashun", or both is misguided at best.
Pretty correct analysis. Many of Glasto's arguments are so subjective that they become laughable.I would not like to be in the same Debating Team as him.
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Pretty correct analysis. Many of Glasto's arguments are so subjective that they become laughable.I would not like to be in the same Debating Team as him.
Rich coming from you, thought you'd grown up a big reacently but clearly not!
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Yes agree he is one of our better player, but look his never played above lg2 (other than half a season with us). Bristol City has him in trail for a month and didn't fancy him at the end of it. Yes he is decent enough at this level but if anyone really fancied him get have gone in the summer.
You watch him leave for a championship club now
I think Pierre wouldn't look out of place whatsoever in a Championship team, he has everything needed to make it there. I don't agree with you about Crooks either, that 'he only turns up and plays 1 in every 4 or 5 games' - maybe fairer to say that he plays well for every game he doesn't. I'd certainly take that over the good games ratio of many other attacking players in that team - what about Bowditch, Powell, Hoskins (shudder), Waters, even Morias? How many games do they saunter through before having a real impact? We only criticise Crooks because we place so much expectation on him to come up with the goods as we know he is much better than most of the rest we have. Playing alongside better players and in a position / system that got the best out of him I think Crooks would be leading the division assists charts. We have to keep hold of our best players!
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I think Pierre wouldn't look out of place whatsoever in a Championship team, he has everything needed to make it there. I don't agree with you about Crooks either, that 'he only turns up and plays 1 in every 4 or 5 games' - maybe fairer to say that he plays well for every game he doesn't. I'd certainly take that over the good games ratio of many other attacking players in that team - what about Bowditch, Powell, Hoskins (shudder), Waters, even Morias? How many games do they saunter through before having a real impact? We only criticise Crooks because we place so much expectation on him to come up with the goods as we know he is much better than most of the rest we have.
Playing alongside better players and in a position / system that got the best out of him I think Crooks would be leading the division assists charts. We have to keep hold of our best players!
Maybe my thoughts on Pierre are a little harsh. I think the thing I find myself questioning is so players offer value for money and personally I don't think Crooks does. Maybe those ITK can give us a better idea of what he earns if 5k is so far off the mark. The Carlisle fan has already told us that no one at Carlisle is on more than 1.5k and I know that no one at Yeovil is on more than that either (maybe Yeovil is a bad example given there decent performance against us and league position) but you can guarantee its a world away from our wages.
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You have forgotten Cornell.
No I have not!
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Sticking to the theme and spirit of this thread I learnt today from a ultra reliable source that two offers for Cornell have been received.
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Maybe my thoughts on Pierre are a little harsh.
I think the thing I find myself questioning is so players offer value for money and personally I don't think Crooks does. Maybe those ITK can give us a better idea of what he earns if 5k is so far off the mark.
The Carlisle fan has already told us that no one at Carlisle is on more than 1.5k and I know that no one at Yeovil is on more than that either (maybe Yeovil is a bad example given there decent performance against us and league position) but you can guarantee its a world away from our wages.
I understand the angle that you are coming from but if we are thinking about value for wages in terms of match contribution then surely we need to keep hold of him. I'd imagine if you were to take two out of the players that I mentioned in my last post, they would have wages that amount to Crooks' wages (if that is the case that he is on big money here). We have to have an eye on the future with building a talented squad for next season and if I was KC and had to do some 'housekeeping', I'd be doing my utmost not to flog the calibre of players we would struggle to acquire in the summer. Let the others go and put the youth team grads / prospects in their place on the bench.
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Sticking to the theme and spirit of this thread I learnt today from a ultra reliable source that two offers for Cornell have been received.
Apparently one is for a painting and decorating job and the other was in a warehouse
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Apparently one is for a painting and decorating job and the other was in a warehouse He is not qualified for either job. Still as always your sources are far better than mine.
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Honestly, the whole "Crooks doesn't look interested most of the time" line is the laziest of analysis. Yes, he has a very languid style but that is who he is and how he plays.
To say Crooks is less interested in trying/winning than, for example Buchanan, Foley, Hoskins or A.Williams on the basis they either run around a lot or show plenty of "pashun", or both is misguided at best.
You start this post criticising those who say Crooks ‘looks’ disinterested and then you go on to justify why they are right - ‘he has a very languid style’. Strange approach to a disagreement.
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