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« Reply #220 on: February 05, 2019, 10:32:47 am »

I seriously question his agenda here. We put in arguably our best performance against Carlisle with Bridge scoring two and he changes it the next game! Most managers if not all would stick with the same team but not Keith. I find his constant changing of the team ever so slightly annoying  Embarrassed

That's note quite true. Cambridge away was the next game and Bridge played as the 10 there. It was only the subsequent game that he was shifted to LWB due to Cox injury.
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« Reply #221 on: February 05, 2019, 11:05:30 am »

That's note quite true. Cambridge away was the next game and Bridge played as the 10 there. It was only the subsequent game that he was shifted to LWB due to Cox injury.
Apologies you're right and I was there (pissed again)!
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« Reply #222 on: February 05, 2019, 11:12:07 am »

That's note quite true. Cambridge away was the next game and Bridge played as the 10 there. It was only the subsequent game that he was shifted to LWB due to Cox injury.

Bridge played ok 1st half  but disappeared 2nd! I seem to recall he took a knock?
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« Reply #223 on: February 05, 2019, 11:40:46 am »

Bridge played ok 1st half  but disappeared 2nd! I seem to recall he took a knock?

The whole midfield disappeared when he bought pollock on, that's not a dig at Pollock or Williams.
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« Reply #224 on: February 05, 2019, 11:42:19 am »

Lets get rid of the bad apples they said, theyre upsetting the changing room they said , Crooks KVV and Kasim gone, weve got worse and the rift is getting bigger
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« Reply #225 on: February 05, 2019, 13:24:58 pm »

Lets get rid of the bad apples they said, theyre upsetting the changing room they said , Crooks KVV and Kasim gone, weve got worse and the rift is getting bigger

Perhaps they weren't the only bad apples!
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« Reply #226 on: February 05, 2019, 13:44:52 pm »

When a teams losing, there will always be issues that surface. When its winning, happy days.

I think its that simple. I remember being told that Rico was a big problem!

We've 3 players still, 2 of which were regulars, that were here when we romped the league. JJOT, Buch and Hoskins. These 3 players, for whatever reasons, wouldn't even be classed as being in our top 5 players at the minute, so that shows that individual ability isn't necessarily our problem.

People talk about a succession of managers. This happens at almost every club. Look up the road at Boro. Who remain in a solid position, pushing for a play off place in the league above. This despite them having no managerial continuity. 

23 of the 92 managers in England's top 4 divisions have been in place for less time than Keith!  Out of those 7 are in our division. 3 of those teams are above us! Its utter codswallop that teams thrive on having a manager in place for a long period of time. Division2 currently:

1. Lincoln - 2 years 266 days.
2. Mansfield - 339 days.
3. Bury - 1 year, 19 days.
4. Forest Green - 2 years 270 days.
5. Carlisle - 18 days.
6. Milton Keynes - 242 days.
7. Exeter - 247 days.

So from the teams in the promotion positions, 4 of the 7 haven't even been in post for a year!  Grin

Quite clearly, our current issues are a combination of a manager not getting the best out of his players and (b) the players themselves. Whether thats ability, desire, motivation, whatever...its subjective.

Its worth noting that Bury, who are 3rd, were worse than us 9 months ago. Milton Keynes were on a par.

I think sometimes, people try and over complicate things. When KC arrived, he quickly got them playing 4-4-2, direct, simple stuff. It worked, we won. The bad run coincided with him making drastic formation changes, personnel changes week in week out and we are now a confused muddle of a side that individually and collectively doesn't seem to know what its job/s are. So for me, he should just go back to what was working and see where that takes us. As a first point of call.




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« Reply #227 on: February 05, 2019, 14:14:14 pm »

When a teams losing, there will always be issues that surface. When its winning, happy days.

I think its that simple. I remember being told that Rico was a big problem!

We've 3 players still, 2 of which were regulars, that were here when we romped the league. JJOT, Buch and Hoskins. These 3 players, for whatever reasons, wouldn't even be classed as being in our top 5 players at the minute, so that shows that individual ability isn't necessarily our problem.

People talk about a succession of managers. This happens at almost every club. Look up the road at Boro. Who remain in a solid position, pushing for a play off place in the league above. This despite them having no managerial continuity. 

23 of the 92 managers in England's top 4 divisions have been in place for less time than Keith!  Out of those 7 are in our division. 3 of those teams are above us! Its utter codswallop that teams thrive on having a manager in place for a long period of time. Division2 currently:

1. Lincoln - 2 years 266 days.
2. Mansfield - 339 days.
3. Bury - 1 year, 19 days.
4. Forest Green - 2 years 270 days.
5. Carlisle - 18 days.
6. Milton Keynes - 242 days.
7. Exeter - 247 days.

So from the teams in the promotion positions, 4 of the 7 haven't even been in post for a year!  Grin

Quite clearly, our current issues are a combination of a manager not getting the best out of his players and (b) the players themselves. Whether thats ability, desire, motivation, whatever...its subjective.

Its worth noting that Bury, who are 3rd, were worse than us 9 months ago. Milton Keynes were on a par.

I think sometimes, people try and over complicate things. When KC arrived, he quickly got them playing 4-4-2, direct, simple stuff. It worked, we won. The bad run coincided with him making drastic formation changes, personnel changes week in week out and we are now a confused muddle of a side that individually and collectively doesn't seem to know what its job/s are. So for me, he should just go back to what was working and see where that takes us. As a first point of call.







We have had a lot of injuries which hasn't helped to keep a settled side. We lost most of our central midfielders at one point, this has badly effected us.

We only played 4-4-2 in a handful of games and in most of those we played a solid 3 in central midfield, which recently we haven't been able to do.

On Saturday we were missing Cox, Foley, Turnbull and JJOT was only half-fit. We also had a number of players who were making their debuts as well as others just making their second or third appearances. It's a difficult transition for all these elements to come together, as players return/settle in things will improve IMO.
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« Reply #228 on: February 05, 2019, 15:14:52 pm »

When a teams losing, there will always be issues that surface. When its winning, happy days.

I think its that simple. I remember being told that Rico was a big problem!

We've 3 players still, 2 of which were regulars, that were here when we romped the league. JJOT, Buch and Hoskins. These 3 players, for whatever reasons, wouldn't even be classed as being in our top 5 players at the minute, so that shows that individual ability isn't necessarily our problem.

People talk about a succession of managers. This happens at almost every club. Look up the road at Boro. Who remain in a solid position, pushing for a play off place in the league above. This despite them having no managerial continuity. 

23 of the 92 managers in England's top 4 divisions have been in place for less time than Keith!  Out of those 7 are in our division. 3 of those teams are above us! Its utter codswallop that teams thrive on having a manager in place for a long period of time. Division2 currently:

1. Lincoln - 2 years 266 days.
2. Mansfield - 339 days.
3. Bury - 1 year, 19 days.
4. Forest Green - 2 years 270 days.
5. Carlisle - 18 days.
6. Milton Keynes - 242 days.
7. Exeter - 247 days.

So from the teams in the promotion positions, 4 of the 7 haven't even been in post for a year!  Grin

Quite clearly, our current issues are a combination of a manager not getting the best out of his players and (b) the players themselves. Whether thats ability, desire, motivation, whatever...its subjective.

Its worth noting that Bury, who are 3rd, were worse than us 9 months ago. Milton Keynes were on a par.

I think sometimes, people try and over complicate things. When KC arrived, he quickly got them playing 4-4-2, direct, simple stuff. It worked, we won. The bad run coincided with him making drastic formation changes, personnel changes week in week out and we are now a confused muddle of a side that individually and collectively doesn't seem to know what its job/s are. So for me, he should just go back to what was working and see where that takes us. As a first point of call.





Some great points well made DC. If Curlio has got any sense he will follow the advice in your last paragraph to a T. Unfortunately latest dispatches from the Chronic suggest otherwise?
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« Reply #229 on: February 05, 2019, 20:21:21 pm »

TINKERMAN!! Yet to name an unchanged starting line up from one league game to the next!

Bury.......to Swindon = 3 changes (Taylor, Barnett, Powell out, Turnbull, McWilliams and Buchanan in)
Swindon... to Forest Green = 1 change (McWilliams out, Waters in)
Forest Green to MK Dons = 2 changes (Crooks and Facey out, Van Veen and O'Doffin in)
MK Dons to Macclesfield = 4 changes (O'Doffin, Waters, Van Veen, Hoskins out, Bridge, Crooks, McWilliams, Powell in)
Macclesfield to Oldham = 2 changes (Powell and A Williams out, Van Veen and Hoskins in)
Oldham to Crewe = 2 changes (Foley and Bridge out, A Williams and O'Doffin in)
Crewe to Exeter = 2 changes (Crooks and A Williams out, Powell and Waters in)
Exeter to Grimsby = 3 changes (Waters, O'Doffin and Powell out, Taylor, A Williams and Foley in)
Grimsby to Newport = 1 change (Turnbull out, O'Doffin in)
Newport to Crawley = 3 changes (A Williams, O'Toole and O'Doffin out, Bowditch, Turnbull and Facey in)
Crawley to Stevenage = 1 change (Hoskins out, Powell in)
Stevenage to Yeovil = 1 change (Powell out, Crooks in)
Yeovil to Swindon = 2 changes (Foley and Facey out, O'Doffin and A Williams in)
Swindon to MK Dons = 3 changes (Bowditch, O'Doffin and Buchanan out, Bridge, Waters and Facey in)
MK Dons to FGR = 5 changes (Pierre, McWilliams, Waters, Van Veen and Bridge out, J Williams, Morais, Foley, Hoskins, Buchanan in)
FGR to Bristol Rovers = 1 change (A Williams out, Bowditch in)
Bristol Rovers to Carlisle = 4 changes (Crooks, Buchanan, Taylor and Bowditch out, Cox, Pierre, McWilliams and A Williams in)
Carlisle to Cambridge = 1 change (Foley out, McWilliams in)
Cambridge to Morecambe = 3 changes (McWilliams, Cox, A Williams out, Elsnik, J Powell and Taylor in)
Morecambe to Colchester = 4 changes (J Powell, J Williams, Turnbull and Hoskins out, Goode, McWilliams, O'Toole and Sordell in)
Colchester to Tranmere = 4 changes (Elsnik, Morais, O'Toole and Sordell out, Hoskins, Turnbull, J Powell and Buchanan in)
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« Reply #230 on: February 05, 2019, 20:30:43 pm »

TINKERMAN!! Yet to name an unchanged starting line up from one league game to the next!

Bury.......to Swindon = 3 changes (Taylor, Barnett, Powell out, Turnbull, McWilliams and Buchanan in)
Swindon... to Forest Green = 1 change (McWilliams out, Waters in)
Forest Green to MK Dons = 2 changes (Crooks and Facey out, Van Veen and O'Doffin in)
MK Dons to Macclesfield = 4 changes (O'Doffin, Waters, Van Veen, Hoskins out, Bridge, Crooks, McWilliams, Powell in)
Macclesfield to Oldham = 2 changes (Powell and A Williams out, Van Veen and Hoskins in)
Oldham to Crewe = 2 changes (Foley and Bridge out, A Williams and O'Doffin in)
Crewe to Exeter = 2 changes (Crooks and A Williams out, Powell and Waters in)
Exeter to Grimsby = 3 changes (Waters, O'Doffin and Powell out, Taylor, A Williams and Foley in)
Grimsby to Newport = 1 change (Turnbull out, O'Doffin in)
Newport to Crawley = 3 changes (A Williams, O'Toole and O'Doffin out, Bowditch, Turnbull and Facey in)
Crawley to Stevenage = 1 change (Hoskins out, Powell in)
Stevenage to Yeovil = 1 change (Powell out, Crooks in)
Yeovil to Swindon = 2 changes (Foley and Facey out, O'Doffin and A Williams in)
Swindon to MK Dons = 3 changes (Bowditch, O'Doffin and Buchanan out, Bridge, Waters and Facey in)
MK Dons to FGR = 5 changes (Pierre, McWilliams, Waters, Van Veen and Bridge out, J Williams, Morais, Foley, Hoskins, Buchanan in)
FGR to Bristol Rovers = 1 change (A Williams out, Bowditch in)
Bristol Rovers to Carlisle = 4 changes (Crooks, Buchanan, Taylor and Bowditch out, Cox, Pierre, McWilliams and A Williams in)
Carlisle to Cambridge = 1 change (Foley out, McWilliams in)
Cambridge to Morecambe = 3 changes (McWilliams, Cox, A Williams out, Elsnik, J Powell and Taylor in)
Morecambe to Colchester = 4 changes (J Powell, J Williams, Turnbull and Hoskins out, Goode, McWilliams, O'Toole and Sordell in)
Colchester to Tranmere = 4 changes (Elsnik, Morais, O'Toole and Sordell out, Hoskins, Turnbull, J Powell and Buchanan in)


But how many of those changes have been enforced?
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« Reply #231 on: February 05, 2019, 20:38:25 pm »

But how many of those changes have been enforced?

Being as Curle likes to keep his cards close to his chest when it comes to injuries I guess we canít be sure...the only other enforced chance was when Foley was suspended for his red card!
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« Reply #232 on: February 05, 2019, 20:47:58 pm »

Lets get rid of the bad apples they said, theyre upsetting the changing room they said , Crooks KVV and Kasim gone, weve got worse and the rift is getting bigger

Is this fact ref the changing room rift? Are you ITK?
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« Reply #233 on: February 09, 2019, 20:14:16 pm »

The last week should shifted a few of the reactive naysayers onto the back foot hopefully. Couple of decent results.
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« Reply #234 on: February 10, 2019, 20:07:46 pm »

The last week should shifted a few of the reactive naysayers onto the back foot hopefully. Couple of decent results.

Reactive  Grin. Couple of decent results tel, that's it
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« Reply #235 on: February 10, 2019, 22:16:19 pm »

My opinions haven't changed. But he's had a very good week. Certainly hope he builds on it now  Smiley
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« Reply #236 on: February 11, 2019, 06:58:26 am »

This last week has probably saved his job in my view .
I had heard he was under serious pressure internally .
The problem he has is that he cannot play such a negative system at home with just Hoskins up front .
We have hardly any creativity in the side at all and rely on counter attacking which we are not that great at anyway .
He wonít get away with that against Crawley at home
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« Reply #237 on: February 11, 2019, 12:22:14 pm »

If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.
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« Reply #238 on: February 11, 2019, 12:33:43 pm »

If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.
He has still got a bit to do in my opinion, two decent away results haven't wiped away the memory of the Colchester performance, of which I think KC has to take a fair proportion of the blame
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« Reply #239 on: February 11, 2019, 12:36:45 pm »

If the season had started started at the start of october when Curle started, we would currently be just outside the play-offs in around 9-10th. That considering we kept the majority of a failing squad and have since got rid of our 2 best players is quite a decent start. Im happy with what he's done so far even with some baffling decisions/the odd negative set up. After 21 games next season is where we should see how good/bad a job he has done with more of his own team.

He's essentially thrown in our strongest most reliable players after being caned by Colchester. Still a long way to go to see if he can knit wins together and seriously impact the top half.

Avoiding relegation is his brief and I reckon he'll do that.
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