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Kelvin Thomas

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Question: Should KT remain in his position at NTFC ?  (Voting closed: January 15, 2019, 22:03:57 pm)
Yes - 40 (51.9%)
No - 37 (48.1%)
Total Voters: 74

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2019, 17:12:04 pm »

Ive mentioned this before, but the big mistake made at this club was the Chinese money and the impact that had on the signing policy that summer. If you recall JE was in charge and we seemed to take an age to make any signings. Many other clubs had either finished or were a long way to finishing their transfer business before we even got going. Possibly this was because those at the top knew the money was coming and told the likes of JE and Melville to stall throwing any cohesive plan they may have had regarding recruitment out of the window. Once it arrived there was an air of panic buying and like kids in a sweet shop it seemed that we went around buying the biggest name players we could get without much thought to whether they were the right fit as a collective or whether they had the right attitude. Its my opinion that 2 things linger from that event. The first is that we are still struggling with the ramifications of that today with an unbalanced squad, short on certain qualities. The second that whole debacle was created from the very top, right sentiment but misjudged in timing as the recruitment became chaotic. In any event if the manager is not backed from the top and doesnít have the necessary clear out, the inconsistency and underachieving will continue. Personally Iíd chop 11 of them, possibly 12. Iím not going to name them as itís all subjective and I canít be bothered to row about individuals.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2019, 17:14:38 pm »

Who are these 'dozens' and where are they now?  The club is up for sale.
As soon as the club is up forsale at its real market value, you will see the alternative owners we missed out on last time.
After the council withdraw its demands for £10m it was a closed shop with a group claiming they were willing to invest £4m in the club...but didnt.
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2019, 17:20:54 pm »

Ive mentioned this before, but the big mistake made at this club was the Chinese money and the impact that had on the signing policy that summer. If you recall JE was in charge and we seemed to take an age to make any signings. Many other clubs had either finished or were a long way to finishing their transfer business before we even got going. Possibly this was because those at the top knew the money was coming and told the likes of JE and Melville to stall throwing any cohesive plan they may have had regarding recruitment out of the window. Once it arrived there was an air of panic buying and like kids in a sweet shop it seemed that we went around buying the biggest name players we could get without much thought to whether they were the right fit as a collective or whether they had the right attitude. Its my opinion that 2 things linger from that event. The first is that we are still struggling with the ramifications of that today with an unbalanced squad, short on certain qualities. The second that whole debacle was created from the very top, right sentiment but misjudged in timing as the recruitment became chaotic. In any event if the manager is not backed from the top and doesnít have the necessary clear out, the inconsistency and underachieving will continue. Personally Iíd chop 11 of them, possibly 12. Iím not going to name them as itís all subjective and I canít be bothered to row about individuals.

pre chinese - Powell, Bowditch, Waters, Barnett, Foley
Post chinese (26/6) - Crooks, Taylor, Pierre, Kasim, Smith (plus caddington late august)

Not sure there was panic buying, the 'investment' came in a good 6 weeks pre the season starting.
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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2019, 17:23:28 pm »

As soon as the club is up forsale at its real market value, you will see the alternative owners we missed out on last time.
After the council withdraw its demands for £10m it was a closed shop with a group claiming they were willing to invest £4m in the club...but didnt.

they haven't invested £4m in a stand, but there has been plenty of other investment in keeping the ship sailing?

are there dozens of alternative investors or just the odd one or two?
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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2019, 17:28:55 pm »

they haven't invested £4m in a stand, but there has been plenty of other investment in keeping the ship sailing?
Didn't KT say the £4M for the East Stand was "Ring fenced" ?
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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2019, 17:31:50 pm »

Didn't KT say the £4M for the East Stand was "Ring fenced" ?

no doubt he did, obviously he has changed his mind, can't say i blame him.  i suppose i was trying to illustrate that he has chucked plenty of money in and built probably our most expensive ever squad, that we wouldn't have had with out him
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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2019, 17:36:08 pm »

they haven't invested £4m in a stand, but there has been plenty of other investment in keeping the ship sailing?

are there dozens of alternative investors or just the odd one or two?
Having to pay for mistake after mistake due to their inability to run a football club with a 300,000 catchment in a proper diligent manner can in no way be described as 'investing ' in the club.
Remember cardozas £8,000,000 imaginary 'investment' into running our club, where we didn't have anything to show for such a vast amount that presented itself in the form of loans to the club!
When will this madness end and our club given a chance.
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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2019, 17:59:01 pm »

yep madness that so many fans can only see to the end of the touchline.

KT is a good owner because he has spend silly money........... on crap managers and crap players. It does not make any sense.

So if everything KT has done is so good then why on earth are we just above the relegation zone on another terrible run, back in the bottom division?  The reason is simple because he not spent any / much money on the basics of improving a football club, one that was mothballed by the last idiot owner.

Can someone please explain this to me and why they also think it is ok for KT to take land that NTFC controlled into his own personal business?
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« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2019, 18:18:44 pm »

No it doesn't,  his company was on the bones of its ar5e with no other option,  Our football club could've been saved by dozens of others but sadly didn't get a look in so we were stuck with you.


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« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2019, 18:49:29 pm »

So most people voted No because there is no alternative.....fcuking unbelievable and people wonder why we are in a sh1ty little stadium with a crap team in the bottom of the basement division.
This is the mentality of the support base and one of the reasons why as they say on Dragons Den I'm out.
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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2019, 19:20:49 pm »


 why they also think it is ok for KT to take land that NTFC controlled into his own personal business?

Iím probably confused but when and how did KT take NTFC controlled land? Any change of leasehold arrangements and separation was done by DC and his First Land/CDNL cronies.

Any duplication or confusion of leases is detailed in the following documents.

http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/documents/s56434/Sixfields%20cabinet%20V7%207June
http://www.northamptonboroughcouncil.com/councillors/documents/s56435/Plan.pdf%20final.docx?CT=2

I certainly think that the current ownership need to be more open than they have been and give some clarity on their plans if any for the ground, their intentions to sell on or not.
Although it could be a matter of not the clubs business any more, but to understand their plans for the CDNL leased land and if any realised profit would be invested into club infrastructure or not.

Starting to get a bit apathetic about it all really. Good football would be a distraction
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I think someone should just take this city of Peterborough and just... just flush it down the f***in' toilet
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« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2019, 19:27:04 pm »

no doubt he did, obviously he has changed his mind, can't say i blame him.  i suppose i was trying to illustrate that he has chucked plenty of money in and built probably our most expensive ever squad, that we wouldn't have had with out him
Can you hear the drums Fernando?
Do you still recall the fateful night we crossed the Rio Grande?
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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2019, 19:28:19 pm »



How are Kelvin Thomas and David Bower football people? Whatever that means anyway.

The Council have stated that the the Bower/Thomas consortium indicated they had immediate funds to finish the East Stand on their takeover. There was no mention of profit from developing surrounding land (if that is the case).

Whether they "saved"  the club or it could have been righted by other parties or other means is again, open to argument.

Finishing the East Stand will be no panacea anyway. The issues at the club are more wide ranging and more embedded. I would agree though that hounding KT out is not the answer. The club needs a vision with or without him.



By "football people" I simply mean they are football fans who I get the impression enjoy their football and get a bit of a kick out of running a club, in much the same way a lot of people without the same means enjoy playing Football Manager. I still think this is a sideshow to the main reason they are here though.

I'm in no position to comment on the state of the funds available for completing the east stand. Maybe they were there, maybe they weren't, maybe they still are... with all the outstanding legal issues, would you blow millions on tarting up a stand unless you were sure the whole project (whatever that might be) would be allowed to be completed? I know I wouldn't.

As to the other parties that showed an interest, we know a couple of them were less than reputable characters and the other was a well-meaning but ragtag consortium of local businessmen who were fans and as such wanted to bail the club out. I think it's fair to say none of us know the specifics of what any of the offers looked like, but the best idea we can get is from Wilder in "that" interview where he described it as a rescue plan and no more than that. I've no reason to doubt him on that. I seem to remember Binley and co happily stepping aside when they weren't needed anymore because they were acting out of desperation to save a football club rather than a desire to own one.

Either way, it was KT and DB that ended up providing the funds that DID save our club from oblivion. Any supposition about what any other party might have done if they'd taken over is pretty pointless because it's just that: supposition.
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« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2019, 19:30:53 pm »

pre chinese - Powell, Bowditch, Waters, Barnett, Foley
Post chinese (26/6) - Crooks, Taylor, Pierre, Kasim, Smith (plus caddington late august)

Not sure there was panic buying, the 'investment' came in a good 6 weeks pre the season starting.

Did you forget Matt Grimes Fernando?
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« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2019, 21:28:17 pm »

Did you forget Matt Grimes Fernando?
Your list would be more damning when the loans are included .
Some serious money wasted there , not to mention disruption.
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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2019, 22:07:44 pm »


Stuck with me?
My apologies Mrs Thomas.
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« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2019, 23:31:34 pm »

pre chinese - Powell, Bowditch, Waters, Barnett, Foley
Post chinese (26/6) - Crooks, Taylor, Pierre, Kasim, Smith (plus caddington late august)

Not sure there was panic buying, the 'investment' came in a good 6 weeks pre the season starting.

Hmmm, a sceptic I see? As I said I recall other clubs claimed to have finished their transfer business before we had started, Gillingham and Mansfield to name 2. Trouble with that is your options start to narrow often to second and third choice options. At least thatís what I thought at the time. Practically none could be classed as a success and look at the managers we have got through. As bad as most think they all were at some point responsibility has to shift to the players apparent mental fragility. Hereís a question, if we were in another relegation fight how many of our current lot would you choose to be on the pitch to fight for our survival? Iím struggling to get past 3 at a push?
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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2019, 07:15:50 am »

So most people voted No because there is no alternative.....fcuking unbelievable and people wonder why we are in a sh1ty little stadium with a crap team in the bottom of the basement division.
This is the mentality of the support base and one of the reasons why as they say on Dragons Den I'm out.
Whats the alternative then? Surely driving out a chairman with no one to take over and hoping for the best is worst than someone who is at least maintaining the status quo? I must be missing something.
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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2019, 07:26:03 am »

Im really struggling to see how/why he gets so much 'support'.

Im not going to blame him for our struggling league status, each and every manager has had a decent budget to work with (although that looks like it *might* be changing now). Thats football. Sh1t happens.

However. In 3 plus years, he's achieved diddly squat as far as the club as a whole is concerned. Unless you count 'cleaning up the leases' and making the club potentially more of an asset as a whole, but even that is debatable and currently only favours him and his backer/s.

Id like to see the pressure fully ramped up on him from all circles and I wholeheartedly believe that in the coming weeks it will. When people start to get an idea of the money he may well have made from the Chinese 'windfall' (Im lead to believe this is 5-7million quid and I wouldn't put that on here if I wasn't confident, albeit I have no way to back it up - lets be clear here, there is currently no trail of funds available to see. Then possibly those who 'support' his current manifesto which *appears* to be to make as much money from the land he has got hold of, with zero tangible benefit to NTFC (we can all agree there are no publicised plans), could start to feel very differently.

As far as other options, we do not know what those options may/may not be. HOWEVER. I know for a fact he's had meetings with reputable suitors, I believe he wants/wanted 3-4 million quid for the club. Im also going to now speculate that this figure may have changed due to 'positive' dialogue with the council, with him thinking that more ££ could be on offer for 'an inhouse job' as far as redeveloping the land is concerned. I re-iterate, the last part in particular Im putting two and two together but it cannot be ruled out. That is my BIGGEST CONCERN as far as the current situation is.

Im not going to comment on this further; Im not going to answer any pm's. It will come out soon enough. All I hope is that people remain open minded. Its a difficult one because we assume bills are being paid on time etc, and theres no reason to think otherwise. Its only when that doesn't happen when large segments of our support get twitchy. I cant see that changing under his watch, he's got to much of an 'asset' to look after. What I don't want to see is another x period of time where the club is run at minimal costs, and zero investment. He's done his time, he needs to go quite frankly.
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2019, 08:24:17 am »

Im really struggling to see how/why he gets so much 'support'.

Im not going to blame him for our struggling league status, each and every manager has had a decent budget to work with (although that looks like it *might* be changing now). Thats football. Sh1t happens.

However. In 3 plus years, he's achieved diddly squat as far as the club as a whole is concerned. Unless you count 'cleaning up the leases' and making the club potentially more of an asset as a whole, but even that is debatable and currently only favours him and his backer/s.

Id like to see the pressure fully ramped up on him from all circles and I wholeheartedly believe that in the coming weeks it will. When people start to get an idea of the money he may well have made from the Chinese 'windfall' (Im lead to believe this is 5-7million quid and I wouldn't put that on here if I wasn't confident, albeit I have no way to back it up - lets be clear here, there is currently no trail of funds available to see. Then possibly those who 'support' his current manifesto which *appears* to be to make as much money from the land he has got hold of, with zero tangible benefit to NTFC (we can all agree there are no publicised plans), could start to feel very differently.

As far as other options, we do not know what those options may/may not be. HOWEVER. I know for a fact he's had meetings with reputable suitors, I believe he wants/wanted 3-4 million quid for the club. Im also going to now speculate that this figure may have changed due to 'positive' dialogue with the council, with him thinking that more ££ could be on offer for 'an inhouse job' as far as redeveloping the land is concerned. I re-iterate, the last part in particular Im putting two and two together but it cannot be ruled out. That is my BIGGEST CONCERN as far as the current situation is.

Im not going to comment on this further; Im not going to answer any pm's. It will come out soon enough. All I hope is that people remain open minded. Its a difficult one because we assume bills are being paid on time etc, and theres no reason to think otherwise. Its only when that doesn't happen when large segments of our support get twitchy. I cant see that changing under his watch, he's got to much of an 'asset' to look after. What I don't want to see is another x period of time where the club is run at minimal costs, and zero investment. He's done his time, he needs to go quite frankly.

i certainly have an open mind and based on this i look forward to being better informed in the next few weeks.
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