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« Reply #260 on: March 06, 2019, 21:06:20 pm »

No it can't.
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« Reply #261 on: March 06, 2019, 22:15:40 pm »

Thomas's fan club out in force Grin
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« Reply #262 on: March 06, 2019, 22:52:01 pm »

I was tempted to once again point out the flaws in this logic but then it dawned on me that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome, so I'll leave that to you!

It also struck me that basically it is 3 or 4 on here who champion the same mantra on fan ownership over and over again. In some ways we are lucky to have a chairman who sees through all this twaddle. Without significant capital any fan ownership is a pipedream or even a con as it clearly might mislead others. On another tack Beds has done well to keep up with his belief in spite of some questionable comments by some.
Frankly for me Fan Ownership is a bore and its inherents on here bore me to tears - without a 'moneyed' backer they have no chance.
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« Reply #263 on: March 06, 2019, 23:07:53 pm »

hi, Sixfields can currently house your dream of an average 7500 with seats to spare
You can't sell exactly 7500 seats for every game in the belief that exactly 7500 and no more will turn to up fill every seat and be happy to sit on their own in the rubbish front seats away from friends and family members..
Just imagine if we had a modernised12000 capacity, atmospheric staduim with 8000 plus fans sitting and standing in there prefered positions amoungst their friends? How much more attractive a proposition is that?
Having extra capacity is equivalent of having extra stock, it gives you an oppertunity to sell your product.
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« Reply #264 on: March 06, 2019, 23:18:56 pm »

It also struck me that basically it is 3 or 4 on here who champion the same mantra on fan ownership over and over again. In some ways we are lucky to have a chairman who sees through all this twaddle. Without significant capital any fan ownership is a pipedream or even a con as it clearly might mislead others. On another tack Beds has done well to keep up with his belief in spite of some questionable comments by some.
Frankly for me Fan Ownership is a bore and its inherents on here bore me to tears - without a 'moneyed' backer they have no chance.
Thomas has no money to invest either, so no money with a community backed inititive is a lot more favourable  to no money invested from Thomas,  now its almost certain he can't make multi millions from free land deals which would've allowed him  to possibly drop a measly  token gesture into our club?



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« Reply #265 on: March 07, 2019, 06:40:39 am »

It also struck me that basically it is 3 or 4 on here who champion the same mantra on fan ownership over and over again. In some ways we are lucky to have a chairman who sees through all this twaddle. Without significant capital any fan ownership is a pipedream or even a con as it clearly might mislead others. On another tack Beds has done well to keep up with his belief in spite of some questionable comments by some.
Frankly for me Fan Ownership is a bore and its inherents on here bore me to tears - without a 'moneyed' backer they have no chance.

It's not often I say this Evers, but I completely agree with you on that. A tiny but noisy minority could end up taking us down a very dangerous path on this. In many ways it's like having our own NTFC version of Momentum!
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« Reply #266 on: March 07, 2019, 07:06:07 am »

Some on here are intent on pouring cold water on a scheme of any type before one has even been adopted.  This is what Sunday is all about and only the first step.  Possibilities are to be explored and we will hear from other clubs what has happened there and how their ownership schemes are progressing, warts and all.  Supporters who are members of the Trust following Sundayís event will have an opportunity of selecting an ownership structure put forward or it could be a case of ďnone of the aboveĒ.  Let's see what is on the table first before turning it down.


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« Reply #267 on: March 07, 2019, 08:53:07 am »

Charlton Have a 30,000 capacity ground

The Valley is a 27,111 capacity sports stadium (source: Wiki)
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« Reply #268 on: March 07, 2019, 08:59:54 am »

It's not often I say this Evers, but I completely agree with you on that. A tiny but noisy minority could end up taking us down a very dangerous path on this. In many ways it's like having our own NTFC version of Momentum!

For what itís worth I agree totally with this - I feel that certain posters are definitely stirring things up and as you say this could be a dangerous path.
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« Reply #269 on: March 07, 2019, 10:27:42 am »

This is an invitation to ALL Cobblers fans, come along on Sunday and have a listen to what Supporters Direct and other clubs Trust's have to say, ask the question you are asking on here. Fan ownership, Community ownership or a hybrid of the two or neither, but don't just sit behind your keyboard with your fingers in your ears, come along and THEN make your mind up.
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« Reply #270 on: March 07, 2019, 11:52:31 am »

I won't be there. I have better things to do with my Sunday afternoon than listen to a load of idealistic, pie-in-the-sky twaddle for a couple of hours. I suspect the vast majority of other fans will have something better to do as well. My only worry is that there will be about a dozen or so people there, all nodding like dogs on a parcel shelf and bouncing off each other in an echo chamber of their own making, convincing each other it's the right way forwards.

I'm not so worried that I'll bother going though because unless they can raise the cash to buy KT out it's all a moot point. It just means there'll be loads more banging on about it on here for a few months to put up with...
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« Reply #271 on: March 07, 2019, 13:04:55 pm »

I won't be there. I have better things to do with my Sunday afternoon than listen to a load of idealistic, pie-in-the-sky twaddle for a couple of hours. I suspect the vast majority of other fans will have something better to do as well. My only worry is that there will be about a dozen or so people there, all nodding like dogs on a parcel shelf and bouncing off each other in an echo chamber of their own making, convincing each other it's the right way forwards.

I'm not so worried that I'll bother going though because unless they can raise the cash to buy KT out it's all a moot point. It just means there'll be loads more banging on about it on here for a few months to put up with...

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« Reply #272 on: March 07, 2019, 13:09:53 pm »

For those of a conspiracy theory and/or negative mindset I would respond that this is utter tripe.

I see that the Trust Chairman, Andy Roberts, is appearing on BBC Níton tonight at 6pm.  Listen and learn.
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« Reply #273 on: March 07, 2019, 14:06:36 pm »

It also struck me that basically it is 3 or 4 on here who champion the same mantra on fan ownership over and over again. In some ways we are lucky to have a chairman who sees through all this twaddle. Without significant capital any fan ownership is a pipedream or even a con as it clearly might mislead others. On another tack Beds has done well to keep up with his belief in spite of some questionable comments by some.
Frankly for me Fan Ownership is a bore and its inherents on here bore me to tears - without a 'moneyed' backer they have no chance.

I think calling it a 'con' is taking things a bit too far evers. That suggests that the trust is looking for personal gain at expense of the club/other supporters.

'Pipedream'  -maybe you are right. but is it not better to see what the options are and how they (the trust) think they can be achieved, before dismissing them outright?

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« Reply #274 on: March 07, 2019, 14:22:37 pm »

For those of a conspiracy theory and/or negative mindset I would respond that this is utter tripe.

I see that the Trust Chairman, Andy Roberts, is appearing on BBC Níton tonight at 6pm.  Listen and learn.

No it isnít - itís an opinion. Donít be so rude.
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« Reply #275 on: March 07, 2019, 14:34:22 pm »

I think calling it a 'con' is taking things a bit too far evers. That suggests that the trust is looking for personal gain at expense of the club/other supporters.

'Pipedream'  -maybe you are right. but is it not better to see what the options are and how they (the trust) think they can be achieved, before dismissing them outright?


Trust you to twist Ďconí to suit yr argument. I am a member of the trust and appreciate their work. Are you a member? Regarding options; without a figure head with big money itís still a pipedream and a potential misleading one at that.
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« Reply #276 on: March 07, 2019, 15:47:43 pm »

You can't sell exactly 7500 seats for every game in the belief that exactly 7500 and no more will turn to up fill every seat and be happy to sit on their own in the rubbish front seats away from friends and family members..
Just imagine if we had a modernised12000 capacity, atmospheric staduim with 8000 plus fans sitting and standing in there prefered positions amoungst their friends? How much more attractive a proposition is that?
Having extra capacity is equivalent of having extra stock, it gives you an oppertunity to sell your product.
Hope that helps.

I work in the aviation industry so let me provide you with an analogy: no airline worth its salt goes out and commits itself to the committed expenditure of additional aircraft capacity "as an opportunity to sell its product". They will only do so if and when there is a sustainable demand (load factor) for seats which outstrips existing capacity. Why should football stadia expansion be any different.


Alternatively let's just ignore the economics and put a B747 on a B737-demand route in order to give passengers more room and a greater opportunity of getting their preferred seats.
 
And, actually, I'm not a "KT Man" Ö I'd rather have your autograph in my collection, if Jim can fix it.

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« Reply #277 on: March 07, 2019, 16:46:03 pm »

Trust you to twist Ďconí to suit yr argument. I am a member of the trust and appreciate their work. Are you a member? Regarding options; without a figure head with big money itís still a pipedream and a potential misleading one at that.

First two words of your reply and you are making personal insults. you just can't help yourself can you?

Please confirm which definition of 'con' you meant then. because the only definition that fits the context you wrote it in is the following:

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verb: con; 3rd person present: cons; past tense: conned; past participle: conned; gerund or present participle: conning

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    persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
    synonyms:   swindle, defraud, cheat, trick, fleece, dupe, deceive, rook, exploit,

noun
noun: con; plural noun: cons

    1.
    an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
    synonyms:   swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud; More


I am not sure what difference it makes whether i am a member of the trust or not. For the record i am not currently. I am also not the one that just accused them of trying to 'con' us into fan ownership either.
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« Reply #278 on: March 07, 2019, 16:58:58 pm »

First two words of your reply and you are making personal insults. you just can't help yourself can you?

Please confirm which definition of 'con' you meant then. because the only definition that fits the context you wrote it in is the following:

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verb: con; 3rd person present: cons; past tense: conned; past participle: conned; gerund or present participle: conning

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    persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
    synonyms:   swindle, defraud, cheat, trick, fleece, dupe, deceive, rook, exploit,

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noun: con; plural noun: cons

    1.
    an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
    synonyms:   swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud; More


I am not sure what difference it makes whether i am a member of the trust or not. For the record i am not currently. I am also not the one that just accused them of trying to 'con' us into fan ownership either.

I prefer not to take a lecture from one who insulted Beds on regular basis. You simply cannot help yourself. Stop trolling/harassing please.
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« Reply #279 on: March 07, 2019, 17:16:58 pm »

I prefer not to take a lecture from one who insulted Beds on regular basis. You simply cannot help yourself. Stop trolling/harassing please.

Ah yes, the old - when you have lost the argument and have no valid counterpoints, just call them a troll - approach. Classy.

Coming from the guy with over 13000 posts your comment is laughable. You are the biggest troll on this forum.

Please apologise to the trust for accusing them of trying to con people. Moderators - that must come under libel/defamation forum rules surely?
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