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« Reply #280 on: March 07, 2019, 17:25:44 pm »

Thomas has no money to invest either, so no money with a community backed inititive is a lot more favourable  to no money invested from Thomas,  now its almost certain he can't make multi millions from free land deals which would've allowed him  to possibly drop a measly  token gesture into our club?





Wrong. He is investing every week. We are loosing money. It can be argued that its his fault but the fact remains more cash is injected monthly.
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« Reply #281 on: March 07, 2019, 17:28:02 pm »

Wrong. He is investing every week. We are loosing money. It can be argued that its his fault but the fact remains more cash is injected monthly.

Careful - Beds will accuse you of being in the KT fan club!
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« Reply #282 on: March 07, 2019, 17:57:56 pm »

Ah yes, the old - when you have lost the argument and have no valid counterpoints, just call them a troll - approach. Classy.

Coming from the guy with over 13000 posts your comment is laughable. You are the biggest troll on this forum.

Please apologise to the trust for accusing them of trying to con people. Moderators - that must come under libel/defamation forum rules surely?

Thanks for your message on use of Con. It was aimed at other posters! Nothing to do with the Trust. Incidentally your treatment of Cobblers78 was grossly unfair. Some of the terms you used for Beds & 78 were not worthy of somebody with your qualifications. Many of my posts are smileys ; you go round
Manchester to get to Liverpool. On a different note if you are not going on Saturday may I please borrow yr s/t for a tenner? Thks
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« Reply #283 on: March 07, 2019, 18:22:27 pm »

Thereís no point in scrapping with each other over the merits for or against fan ownership. At this point nothing is on the table to discuss.

I have no clue what exactly some people are promoting here. Unless they know something I donít.

This saga will roll on for some time to come. Iím getting back on the fence 😁
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« Reply #284 on: March 07, 2019, 18:22:35 pm »

Thanks for your message on use of Con. 1.It was aimed at other posters! Nothing to do with the Trust. Incidentally your treatment of Cobblers78 was grossly unfair. Some of the terms you used for Beds & 78 were not worthy of 2.somebody with your qualifications. 3.Many of my posts are smileys ; you go round
Manchester to get to Liverpool
. 4. On a different note if you are not going on Saturday may I please borrow yr s/t for a tenner? Thks


1. So let me get this straight, you think there are posters on here who are trying to con the fan base at large into fan ownership? to what end?
2.You know nothing about my qualifications
3. By which you mean - you rarely offer any opinions on the topics at hand, drop short personal insults and dismiss any opinion that you do not share as 'bias drivel, 'rubbish' or similar, whereas i routinely i support my opinions with evidence, which sometimes results in long posts containing such evidence.
4. no idea what the point of that comment is
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« Reply #285 on: March 07, 2019, 19:01:40 pm »

I'm loving tonight's Cobbler's Show on Radio Northampton, especially how the guy on the mic, the guy from the Trust, and the fella from the club, they are all banging on about being 'ITK' about the 'sticking block' surrounding finishing of the East Stand, and yet none of them are willing to go public on the issue. Such transparency: #fiveminutesofwastedairtime  Grin

I'm also loving how James Whiting is getting all hot under the collar about this 'fan ownership' issue, and having a bit of a pop at the Trusts lack of transparency: #potkettleblack Roll Eyes
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« Reply #286 on: March 07, 2019, 19:15:30 pm »

Beds will be...

I'm definitely not going then!  Grin
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« Reply #287 on: March 07, 2019, 20:18:27 pm »

I work in the aviation industry so let me provide you with an analogy: no airline worth its salt goes out and commits itself to the committed expenditure of additional aircraft capacity "as an opportunity to sell its product". They will only do so if and when there is a sustainable demand (load factor) for seats which outstrips existing capacity. Why should football stadia expansion be any different.


Alternatively let's just ignore the economics and put a B747 on a B737-demand route in order to give passengers more room and a greater opportunity of getting their preferred seats.
 
And, actually, I'm not a "KT Man" Ö I'd rather have your autograph in my collection, if Jim can fix it.


Now youíve done it, donít quote anything from the squalid world of professional management on here. Itís like poking the bear with a stick. To be honest I kind of sit in both camps. I think fan ownership based on the German model is a fantastic aspiration to have, and the only way to run a football club that is truly done so in the interests of the fan base. However, in my opinion as I have said over and over again it will only be possible with a huge cash investment from the fan base itself supported by additional investment from the corporate world. The fact is though the majority has to come from the fan base. If it doesnít it wonít be fan controlled and there would be nothing to stop us ending up right back where we started, which is pointless. I have neither now nor have never been under the illusion that this will be anything but a massive and probably insurmountable challenge, and neither should anyone else. All this simplistic talk of easy options to get this off the ground detracts from the realities that need to be faced. Otherwise at best this exercise will end up being a waste or time and effort. And some of the posters on this subject also have a valid point, it might also be dangerous. That being said I am always prepared to listen to credible alternatives. From my perspective l am yet to see one, but that doesnít mean they are not there.
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« Reply #288 on: March 07, 2019, 20:25:17 pm »

MC, don't jump the gun, too many are doing that already.  Sunday first and then let's see.

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« Reply #289 on: March 07, 2019, 20:30:13 pm »

MC, don't jump the gun, too many are doing that already.  Sunday first and then let's see.


Good point well made, hope itís positive?
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« Reply #290 on: March 07, 2019, 21:39:22 pm »

Whether it has been tried before and failed is really irrelevant. There are plenty of ways to skin a cat. Whatever your current view just close your eyes and think about it for a minute. Football clubs are unlike any other sporting club because of the way a localised group buys into it in such a way that it enters the bloodstream. Owners / philanthropists / nutters pass through trying to make sense of it or make cents from it but ultimately pass on. It has changed at the top end now because it is so lucrative but at our level it still remains close to impossible to profit financially from it unless there is a desire to **** it through asset-stripping. The only safe hands are those of the supporters who would always resist the urge to abuse it.
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« Reply #291 on: March 07, 2019, 22:06:09 pm »

Is that the 117 people who want to get correspondence from the trust or the bigger 700-odd number?

Most were handed leaflets at Crewe...
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« Reply #292 on: March 08, 2019, 05:31:45 am »

The only safe hands are those of the supporters who would always resist the urge to abuse it.

Strange how the mantra changes depending on the agenda.

Originally the issue was the club stagnating. Now itís being saved from actual abuse  Grin



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« Reply #293 on: March 08, 2019, 05:44:40 am »

I think Sundays meeting is important because the conversation needs to be had. There is too much sitting on hands been going on, so if there is an alternative investigate it!
If it is 100% or 20% investment into NTFC you will not find out unless you discuss the journey required. It might not stack up but let's find out.
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« Reply #294 on: March 08, 2019, 07:12:48 am »


I'm also loving how James Whiting is getting all hot under the collar about this 'fan ownership' issue, and having a bit of a pop at the Trusts lack of transparency: #potkettleblack Roll Eyes

So what did James Whiting actually have to say on the topic?
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« Reply #295 on: March 08, 2019, 07:55:50 am »

(link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070ks9x) bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0Ö
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« Reply #296 on: March 08, 2019, 08:07:38 am »

I work in the aviation industry so let me provide you with an analogy: no airline worth its salt goes out and commits itself to the committed expenditure of additional aircraft capacity "as an opportunity to sell its product". They will only do so if and when there is a sustainable demand (load factor) for seats which outstrips existing capacity. Why should football stadia expansion be any different.


Alternatively let's just ignore the economics and put a B747 on a B737-demand route in order to give passengers more room and a greater opportunity of getting their preferred seats.
 
And, actually, I'm not a "KT Man" Ö I'd rather have your autograph in my collection, if Jim can fix it.


Another way to look at it, your planes are the 1970s Aeroflot variety that few costumers are happy to travel on, you have very few travelling with you.
What would you do? Modernise your fleet to expect more new customers to book flights.
Or go down the NTFC route and do absolutely nothing in 20 years,  just carry on in dilapidated ground/planes relying on a small band of loyal customers to just keep coming back?
Just 1% regulars amoungst our 300,000 catchment really needs to be improved by a whole 1%.

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« Reply #297 on: March 08, 2019, 08:16:26 am »

Wrong. He is investing every week. We are loosing money. It can be argued that its his fault but the fact remains more cash is injected monthly.
Had he fitted in the corporate boxes when he said he would, we'd probably still holding our own in the division above, getting dozens of sell out gates,  also getting financial  help from the dozen or so large companies occupying them.

You cant call paying for any shortfalls due to your mistakes as 'investing' in the club!
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« Reply #298 on: March 08, 2019, 08:22:06 am »

Strange how the mantra changes depending on the agenda.

Originally the issue was the club stagnating. Now itís being saved from actual abuse  Grin





Are you saying Cardoza, the Blackpool geezer, Charlton geezer, Coventry geezers etc didn't abuse the club's they own/owned?
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« Reply #299 on: March 08, 2019, 09:19:12 am »

Another way to look at it, your planes are the 1970s Aeroflot variety that few costumers are happy to travel on, you have very few travelling with you.
What would you do? Modernise your fleet to expect more new customers to book flights.
Or go down the NTFC route and do absolutely nothing in 20 years,  just carry on in dilapidated ground/planes relying on a small band of loyal customers to just keep coming back?
Just 1% regulars amoungst our 300,000 catchment really needs to be improved by a whole 1%.



What if the real reason that no-one is flying with you is that you are flying to unappealing destinations? You upgrade your fleet, continue to fly to unappealing destinations, see no uptake in passengers, and go bankrupt.
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