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« Reply #300 on: March 08, 2019, 09:21:35 am »

Now youíve done it, donít quote anything from the squalid world of professional management on here. Itís like poking the bear with a stick. To be honest I kind of sit in both camps. I think fan ownership based on the German model is a fantastic aspiration to have, and the only way to run a football club that is truly done so in the interests of the fan base. However, in my opinion as I have said over and over again it will only be possible with a huge cash investment from the fan base itself supported by additional investment from the corporate world. The fact is though the majority has to come from the fan base. If it doesnít it wonít be fan controlled and there would be nothing to stop us ending up right back where we started, which is pointless. I have neither now nor have never been under the illusion that this will be anything but a massive and probably insurmountable challenge, and neither should anyone else. All this simplistic talk of easy options to get this off the ground detracts from the realities that need to be faced. Otherwise at best this exercise will end up being a waste or time and effort. And some of the posters on this subject also have a valid point, it might also be dangerous. That being said I am always prepared to listen to credible alternatives. From my perspective l am yet to see one, but that doesnít mean they are not there.

This sums up my views quite well. However, we haven't even had the first meeting yet, so lets see what that brings. I remain open minded but mindful of exactly how difficult the financial side of things could be.
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« Reply #301 on: March 08, 2019, 09:22:54 am »

I'm loving tonight's Cobbler's Show on Radio Northampton, especially how the guy on the mic, the guy from the Trust, and the fella from the club, they are all banging on about being 'ITK' about the 'sticking block' surrounding finishing of the East Stand, and yet none of them are willing to go public on the issue. Such transparency: #fiveminutesofwastedairtime  Grin

I'm also loving how James Whiting is getting all hot under the collar about this 'fan ownership' issue, and having a bit of a pop at the Trusts lack of transparency: #potkettleblack Roll Eyes

The trust are as opaque as the club, perhaps even more so.
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« Reply #302 on: March 08, 2019, 09:35:59 am »

Just listened to the programme, ohhhhhhh the Trust are ruffling a few of peacock Thomas's feathers, keep up the good work.
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« Reply #303 on: March 08, 2019, 09:42:15 am »

Just listened to the programme, ohhhhhhh the Trust are ruffling a few of peacock Thomas's feathers, keep up the good work.

As Iíve said before if the ďend gameĒ is to buy the club from KT then what is the logic in p**ing him off - itís not like the trust are going to launch a hostile takeover?
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« Reply #304 on: March 08, 2019, 12:04:34 pm »

As Iíve said before if the ďend gameĒ is to buy the club from KT then what is the logic in p**ing him off - itís not like the trust are going to launch a hostile takeover?
Its going to be very hard of KT and co to continue with this 4 season long regime of closely gaurded agendas with nothing in the way of progress while we further regress behind all our rival clubs.
As someone else mentioned on here, be prepared for his ace card as without it he's finished as a genuine owner with ambition for our club.

It's our football league membership and small but loyal fan base that keeps our club afloat, so them being pi55ed off with us not wanting anymore nonsence from them doesn't even register, and he probably knows it.

Having listened to the BBC npton podcast,  it did seem Whiting was properly rattled.
He above anyone should realise the damage that 20 years of continuous poor ownership is doing  to our club.


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« Reply #305 on: March 08, 2019, 13:26:50 pm »

I'm definitely not going then!  Grin
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« Reply #306 on: March 08, 2019, 16:34:40 pm »

Interesting to hear the trust say that they have not got any money / no backer.

Really interested to see the business case on how they will fund the takeover and maintain cash flow for the business.
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« Reply #307 on: March 08, 2019, 16:47:36 pm »

Interesting to hear the trust say that they have not got any money / no backer.
When did you hear that ??
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« Reply #308 on: March 08, 2019, 17:06:21 pm »

Having now listened to the RN show, I wouldn't say James Whiting sounded rattled, I'd say he just sounded mildly peeved at the tone of some of the comms which have gone out from the Trust, which to be honest I can understand.
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« Reply #309 on: March 08, 2019, 18:08:40 pm »

The trust interviewee, as articulate as he is, presents absolutely no substance of any kind.

He was asked directly around 25m 40s "are you putting together a bid to buy the club?" and gave no evidence that there is a quantifiable solution in place.

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« Reply #310 on: March 08, 2019, 18:24:50 pm »

The trust interviewee, as articulate as he is, presents absolutely no substance of any kind.
He was asked directly around 25m 40s "are you putting together a bid to buy the club?" and gave no evidence that there is a quantifiable solution in place.
You really need to listen again  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #311 on: March 08, 2019, 19:53:58 pm »

The trust interviewee, as articulate as he is, presents absolutely no substance of any kind.

He was asked directly around 25m 40s "are you putting together a bid to buy the club?" and gave no evidence that there is a quantifiable solution in place.


There's none deafer than those who dont want to listen.
Its obvious that the Trust dont want to get into a war of words or show their hand before gathering feed back from the town and support base.
I thought the trust spokesperson was very gracious in his praise to those who worked for Cardoza and are still working for the club under Thomas.
NTFC is worth a pound and has a serious lack of infrastructure, a new regime will see the town rally behind the club if it can finally shake of those holding us back.
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« Reply #312 on: March 08, 2019, 22:19:59 pm »

There's none deafer than those who dont want to listen.
Its obvious that the Trust dont want to get into a war of words or show their hand before gathering feed back from the town and support base.
I thought the trust spokesperson was very gracious in his praise to those who worked for Cardoza and are still working for the club under Thomas.
NTFC is worth a pound and has a serious lack of infrastructure, a new regime will see the town rally behind the club if it can finally shake of those holding us back.

Well if David Cadden likes it then I'm sold  Grin Grin
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« Reply #313 on: March 08, 2019, 23:29:48 pm »

Well if David Cadden likes it then I'm sold  Grin Grin
If heís right about it being worth a pound so am I. Just have to get KT to accept the bid, what could possibly go wrong?
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« Reply #314 on: March 09, 2019, 03:09:36 am »

Well, being the weekend I listened to the show. Thought Andy R accounted himself pretty well and James Whiting gave the usual sound bites one would expect. Itís still my opinion that the East Stand will never be developed whilst the current owners are in place. Itís also my opinion that this was probably always the case? This is not a criticism, just common sense really. The current model means that someone comes in, invests, can make a few quid and the club moves forward both off and on the pitch, to everyoneís mutual benefit. Nothing wrong with that in principle and most understand thatís the way it works? The frustration for many that understand this is that the supporters havenít really seen anything tangible to appease the feeling that we have been short changed on our end of the bargain to date? No offence but all this talk of the trimmings doing really well doesnít matter a stuff to the average supporter. When the owners took on the club we were told funds were in place to develop the stand? For me that didnít say anything more than they had the money to do it if it was commercially attractive to do so? The thing is they can highlight the successful operation of the club both internally and within the community but it doesnít deflect from the fact that both the measure and growth of any club is intrinsically linked to the attendance, which is in turn is directly correlated to the league position and performances on the pitch despite argument to the contrary by some. Therefore we have been in free fall in a tail spin and no amount of spin and rhetoric is going to hide that. As it stood it was not really commercially viable to develop the stand anyway, and since the club has been in free fall on the pitch it definitely isnít. Therefore the ongoing deadlock is possibly nothing more than a convenient smokescreen to deflect from the fact that the current owners have currently no intention of spending the money, and they have said as much. To be honest dispassionately speaking rightly so as well, theyíd me mad at the current time? Therefore this constant questioning about the deadlock is pointless because it probably serves a purpose and is in fact very convenient? If the status quo is ever broken things could get a tad more uncomfortable so itís probably important to hang it out as long as possible? My unanswered question is more about the plan when the owners took over the club? It was hardly ideal with KT being in the states and they had no prior love for the club? Therefore what was the motivation to commit this amount of time and resource to what is if we are honest a very risky business? Donít tell me it was because they like football because that would be complete bollocks. The current owners are no fools and there was a very specific purpose, plan and goal that made involvement attractive. How close have they got to achieving that goal, and is it still even achievable? Answer that and you will understand the true value of the club at anyone time and the current owners appetite to sell, which at this point in time may be relevant? All speculation on my part of course. But Iím just a humble supporter, so what do I know?
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« Reply #315 on: March 09, 2019, 08:56:13 am »

This is an invitation to ALL Cobblers fans, come along on Sunday and have a listen to what Supporters Direct and other clubs Trust's have to say, ask the question you are asking on here. Fan ownership, Community ownership or a hybrid of the two or neither, but don't just sit behind your keyboard with your fingers in your ears, come along and THEN make your mind up.

Please accept my apologies as unable to attend as running an event for displaced and disadvantaged BMW owners to Coventry Transport Museum. All the best thoí.
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« Reply #316 on: March 09, 2019, 09:18:06 am »

Presumably their motivation was the same as Cardoza - to make some bucks from the land (development or otherwise). The Dubai fella was well into that. The fact that their motivation is similar to Cardoza and they intimated they would finish the stand is what makes them untrusted and unpopular?
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« Reply #317 on: March 09, 2019, 09:58:47 am »

Unpopular with whom?

Didn't we have a vote on this only a few weeks ago?
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« Reply #318 on: March 09, 2019, 12:24:05 pm »

Unpopular with a lot of fans.
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« Reply #319 on: March 09, 2019, 14:14:33 pm »

Unpopular with a lot of fans.

Who is?
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