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« Reply #340 on: March 10, 2019, 20:45:36 pm »

Having just read the leaflet, I am even more convinced that fan ownership is not to be pursued.
 Quite disturbing that some people think that is the way forward, frightening really.

I agree, frightening. How can you tell someone how to manager a football team and what the players attributes need to be, any manager in their right minds would run a mile including KC I would suggest.
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« Reply #341 on: March 10, 2019, 21:12:58 pm »

It looks like that leaflet may be genuine. If so, for all their good intentions, that effectively kills off any involvement by the trust in the future. Any suggestion that they can be involved in the running of a professional football club is simply  laughable.

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« Reply #342 on: March 10, 2019, 21:26:51 pm »

That leaflet is scaring me, and counts me out of any support for the project/dictatorship.
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« Reply #343 on: March 10, 2019, 21:30:53 pm »

"Technical innovation in the art of hitting the net" Who wrote that load of crap?
In the nature of my work, I have seen a lot of mission statements, but this one truly made me cringe. I am a member of the trust, but sorry lads, you have just shot yourselves in the foot.
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« Reply #344 on: March 10, 2019, 21:44:00 pm »

"Player DNA"  Huh? "Gentlemen"  Tongue

 "How many of our current players fit this criteria." I wonder what the players at the club think to that question. Complete and utter tosh I'm afraid to say.
 
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« Reply #345 on: March 10, 2019, 21:46:08 pm »

Not really thought this through have they  Grin
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« Reply #346 on: March 10, 2019, 21:51:58 pm »

Not really thought this through have they  Grin

More worryingly, I think they have, and this is what they came up with... Shocked
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« Reply #347 on: March 10, 2019, 23:23:41 pm »

Personally speaking I would really like to read a full report on the meeting before forming a judgment on anything. Its most unfortunate that the document was the first tangible constituent to come from the meeting that I have seen. Viewed in isolation I think most reasonable people reading that document would have concerns about the caliber of the individuals steering this process?
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« Reply #348 on: March 10, 2019, 23:38:38 pm »

I too would like to see a full report and I have asked the Trust on Twitter if anyone took minutes that I could see. Unfortunately, even though the Trust have been active on social media since I asked the question, I'm yet to receive an answer
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« Reply #349 on: March 10, 2019, 23:48:11 pm »

That flyer shows a terrifying but entirely predictable detachment from reality. 
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« Reply #350 on: March 11, 2019, 09:05:30 am »

Did anyone who looks at this forum attend the meeting?
A brief run down on what was said would be nice to know.
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« Reply #351 on: March 11, 2019, 09:19:41 am »

Did anyone who looks at this forum attend the meeting?
A brief run down on what was said would be nice to know.

I was at the meeting along with about 100 fans, Trust members, journalists, NTFC employees and local business people.

Handing out this document at the meeting was a mistake, it doesn’t represent what was discussed, has some very silly statements and should be disregarded.

We heard from fan ownership at Portsmouth and Exeter direct from the people involved and it was interesting to hear their experiences. In these two examples it was proven that fan ownership in Pompey’s case saved the club from oblivion and steadied the ship for a few years before being acquired by Michael Eisner and in Exeter’s case has enhanced community involvement and given the trust an equal voting position on the board (50/50) giving fans more say on what happens off the pitch.

There are a lot of business models for this approach and Andy/Kevin from the trust were clear that this is not a hostile takeover bid and the purpose of the meeting was to see how others have done it and start to discuss fan ownership approaches that might work for the Cobblers.

Exeter’s model might be great for Northampton Town. Especially to provide clarity over off the pitch decisions/direction and actually make visible improvements to our ‘community’ stadium.

It does also seem that some local businesses would want to be seen to support the community through this initiative.

My concern on what I heard yesterday was an uncomfortable undercurrent of negativity from the Trust panel and some involved people who were asking questions about the current owners.

If the true intention of this is an Exeter style model for the Cobblers then everyone needs to buy into that including the current owners and it doesn’t sound at the moment that this is the case. This for me is the sticking point and needs to be addressed before I’m interested in joining any future meetings.
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« Reply #352 on: March 11, 2019, 09:37:50 am »

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« Reply #353 on: March 11, 2019, 11:17:46 am »

I was at the meeting along with about 100 fans, Trust members, journalists, NTFC employees and local business people.

Handing out this document at the meeting was a mistake, it doesn’t represent what was discussed, has some very silly statements and should be disregarded.

We heard from fan ownership at Portsmouth and Exeter direct from the people involved and it was interesting to hear their experiences. In these two examples it was proven that fan ownership in Pompey’s case saved the club from oblivion and steadied the ship for a few years before being acquired by Michael Eisner and in Exeter’s case has enhanced community involvement and given the trust an equal voting position on the board (50/50) giving fans more say on what happens off the pitch.

There are a lot of business models for this approach and Andy/Kevin from the trust were clear that this is not a hostile takeover bid and the purpose of the meeting was to see how others have done it and start to discuss fan ownership approaches that might work for the Cobblers.

Exeter’s model might be great for Northampton Town. Especially to provide clarity over off the pitch decisions/direction and actually make visible improvements to our ‘community’ stadium.

It does also seem that some local businesses would want to be seen to support the community through this initiative.

My concern on what I heard yesterday was an uncomfortable undercurrent of negativity from the Trust panel and some involved people who were asking questions about the current owners.

If the true intention of this is an Exeter style model for the Cobblers then everyone needs to buy into that including the current owners and it doesn’t sound at the moment that this is the case. This for me is the sticking point and needs to be addressed before I’m interested in joining any future meetings.

The bit in bold is the key bit for me.

In order to get anywhere near fan ownership the Trust has got to earn the trust of the people it claims to represent and start acting in true partnership with the current board at NTFC to secure a handover. The current behaviour I am seeing suggests that nothing of the sort is happening, and they're actually alienating the NTFC staff.

I am a supporter of fan ownership in principle but the sheer naivety of the discussions & the document handed out yesterday is absolutely frightening.
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« Reply #354 on: March 11, 2019, 11:39:58 am »

I was at the meeting along with about 100 fans, Trust members, journalists, NTFC employees and local business people.

Handing out this document at the meeting was a mistake, it doesn’t represent what was discussed, has some very silly statements and should be disregarded.

We heard from fan ownership at Portsmouth and Exeter direct from the people involved and it was interesting to hear their experiences. In these two examples it was proven that fan ownership in Pompey’s case saved the club from oblivion and steadied the ship for a few years before being acquired by Michael Eisner and in Exeter’s case has enhanced community involvement and given the trust an equal voting position on the board (50/50) giving fans more say on what happens off the pitch.

There are a lot of business models for this approach and Andy/Kevin from the trust were clear that this is not a hostile takeover bid and the purpose of the meeting was to see how others have done it and start to discuss fan ownership approaches that might work for the Cobblers.

Exeter’s model might be great for Northampton Town. Especially to provide clarity over off the pitch decisions/direction and actually make visible improvements to our ‘community’ stadium.

It does also seem that some local businesses would want to be seen to support the community through this initiative.

My concern on what I heard yesterday was an uncomfortable undercurrent of negativity from the Trust panel and some involved people who were asking questions about the current owners.

If the true intention of this is an Exeter style model for the Cobblers then everyone needs to buy into that including the current owners and it doesn’t sound at the moment that this is the case. This for me is the sticking point and needs to be addressed before I’m interested in joining any future meetings.

Can't believe that someone agreed to the release of the document.  Irrespective of the variance of what was actually discussed, that shows the behind the scenes youth football level of thinking to have produced and agreed that in the first place.  It is the only hard copy document that those who attended and those who didn't have to refer to when the meeting is closed. 
Someone can come on and defend or give their alternative view of the document claiming that it doesn't reflect the overall intention but unfortunately that was a real 'blighty'.

At the end of the day, the ability to raise and sustain the funding of the football club is still the main stopper regarding any 'fan ownership'.  Until that is resolved with a fail-safe proposal, this will continue to remain a pipedream.  I would love us to own our own club but until this happens, along with a reliable and credible management plan, I will vote to remain under the current or similar private ownership.
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« Reply #355 on: March 11, 2019, 12:32:27 pm »

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/supporters-trust-public-meeting-round-up-of-the-the-launch-of-project-proud-to-be-1-8842883

Can I suggest that the mods merge this thread with the other one about the meeting itself?
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« Reply #356 on: March 11, 2019, 13:35:47 pm »

Can't believe that someone agreed to the release of the document.  Irrespective of the variance of what was actually discussed, that shows the behind the scenes youth football level of thinking to have produced and agreed that in the first place.  It is the only hard copy document that those who attended and those who didn't have to refer to when the meeting is closed. 
Someone can come on and defend or give their alternative view of the document claiming that it doesn't reflect the overall intention but unfortunately that was a real 'blighty'.

At the end of the day, the ability to raise and sustain the funding of the football club is still the main stopper regarding any 'fan ownership'.  Until that is resolved with a fail-safe proposal, this will continue to remain a pipedream.  I would love us to own our own club but until this happens, along with a reliable and credible management plan, I will vote to remain under the current or similar private ownership.
Was going to comment DC but you have saved me the trouble, that about hits the proverbial nail on the head. It was absolutely crucial that the attendees were motivated to engage in the process positively. Credibility regarding fan ownership was always going to be a challenge and that document was most unhelpful. At this point in time there are only 3 things that matter with regards to this whole process, how much, where from, and when? The answers to these questions will indicate everything including an ability to move forward, likely success or failure and would shape the entire business plan, if it ever gets that far. However you can relax about having to vote on remaining privately owned. If these questions remain unresolved there won’t be any choice in the matter.
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« Reply #357 on: March 11, 2019, 13:51:34 pm »

I went. Thought it was a decent attempt at highlighting both the pitfalls and obvious benefits of community/fan ownership.

It is very early days. It would be harsh to tear apart any initiative. At this stage I am still firmly in the private owner camp. Just because, by their own admission, the clubs that have this in place were clear that is only a model for lower league football. In fact, the Chap from Exeter perpetually made the point that you have to forget about football and concentrate on running a club on a sustainable model. He even accepted that relegation might well be a consequence of it.

Well done to all who arranged it. Let's see where it goes.
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« Reply #358 on: March 11, 2019, 14:25:01 pm »

Can't believe that someone agreed to the release of the document.  Irrespective of the variance of what was actually discussed, that shows the behind the scenes youth football level of thinking to have produced and agreed that in the first place.  It is the only hard copy document that those who attended and those who didn't have to refer to when the meeting is closed. 
Someone can come on and defend or give their alternative view of the document claiming that it doesn't reflect the overall intention but unfortunately that was a real 'blighty'.

At the end of the day, the ability to raise and sustain the funding of the football club is still the main stopper regarding any 'fan ownership'.  Until that is resolved with a fail-safe proposal, this will continue to remain a pipedream.  I would love us to own our own club but until this happens, along with a reliable and credible management plan, I will vote to remain under the current or similar private ownership.

Honestly, I read through this thread and assumed the document posted was a spoof. It's unfortunate this is not the case.
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« Reply #359 on: March 11, 2019, 14:27:06 pm »


Where is the other one?
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