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« Reply #420 on: March 12, 2019, 11:26:53 am »

I'm very open minded about fan ownership and understand that there are various models we could follow. However the last couple of pages of this thread have really brought all my concerns to the fore.

Whatever the truth about the document, the whole affair is a huge embarrassment. It simply points to the fact that the Trust and it's board are not all singing from the same hymn sheer, which should be the bare minimum.

I also find it a little concerning that, in the report from the meeting it states that a proposal has already been taken to the club, which includes the backing of a mystery investor. Surely nothing should ever have got that far without it being put to the fans first?

Maybe I am extremely naïve but I believe the only way this works is if the trust are completely transparent with the fan base. If all we are going to do is swap one group of people who can decide what the fan base is worthy of knowing for another then what do we really gain? The fact that one group of people are fans doesn't make a huge difference, I only have to spend 5 minutes on here to know that I have different opinions on the way things are done to many other fans.
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« Reply #421 on: March 12, 2019, 11:34:56 am »

I was at the trust meeting which I found informative and interested listening to how other clubs ventured into fan/ community ownership.

I notice every time the pros and cons of 'going it alone' is raised, the argument of the need for billionaire backers is always used as a scaremongering tactic to avoid having any change from the comfort of our usual mid to low division four existence.
Maybe  some of our support base fear the big step up in class playing league 1 football, with  too many big clubs with skilful players who punish the slightest mistakes? Large noisey followings?   Or playing several local rivals in all ticket, capacity crowds?
Of course they don't, they want all the above and a lot more!
Does playing in and maintaining league 1 status really need a multi millionaire backer? No of course not, it just needs some boxes built and an increase on capacity to maximise on the ticket sales for the bigger games and make the football experience at Sixfields a lot more enjoyable.

I was asked at the meeting by someone who was dead against fan ownership, where would I be happy to see our club he asked , the answer was simple, I want to see a challenging established league 1 club that has enough infrastructure to be sustainable and maximise our earning potential at that level.
Billionaires not required, but when wealthy local benefactors see they are not required as cash cows, they'll be more than happy to get on board and help .

Well done to all those trust folk in getting this moving.

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« Reply #422 on: March 12, 2019, 13:40:12 pm »


Maybe I am extremely naive but I believe the only way this works is if the trust are completely transparent with the fan base.


If Drilling is correct, they should start by being transparent with their own Board members?
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« Reply #423 on: March 12, 2019, 13:42:18 pm »


I want to see a challenging established league 1 club that has enough infrastructure to be sustainable and maximise our earning potential at that level.


Agreed, the challenge is how we get to that stage...
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« Reply #424 on: March 12, 2019, 14:27:56 pm »

Agreed, the challenge is how we get to that stage...
By just doing it!
It doesn't have to happen over night,  if its done in 3 stages of well managed projects, that is hugely promoted throughout the support base, town in general, county and buisness community, it will very soon gather momentum.
Several excellent methods of raising funds have been well documented, that doesn't require individuals to shovel vast sums at it.
Nothing can ever happen while the present incumbents finish their secretive dealings with the council.

'The old club mantra 'We are frustrated with the lack of our progress and our inability to tell the town of Northampton what it is we plan to do'  has at long last worn very thin, we can only hope they move on to their next 'project ' very soon.
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« Reply #425 on: March 12, 2019, 15:46:29 pm »

I was at the trust meeting which I found informative and interested listening to how other clubs ventured into fan/ community ownership.

I notice every time the pros and cons of 'going it alone' is raised, the argument of the need for billionaire backers is always used as a scaremongering tactic to avoid having any change from the comfort of our usual mid to low division four existence.



I find it strange that having listened to you banging on about championship football and how easy this would be to achieve with the good folk of Northants behind the club. That you have now scaled down your ambition to supporting a well led league one club  Grin  It would seem that regardless of all of the ridicule that has pursued your hair brained schemes around many avenues of social media, you remained oblivious to good old common sense. Yet one dose of reality on a Sunday afternoon in a Northampton hotel has brought you down to earth with a bump.

To the casual onlooker, it could well appear that you have tried to sell anything other than KT to all and sundry. But having been outed by some who have been there, done it, and got the T Shirt, you are now a convert to sleepy town football. When you hear clubs the size of Portsmouth stating the limitations of hybrid or fan owned models, it finally sinks in doesn't it?. What a shame it took so long, when I and many others were trying to tell you that we are not in KT's pocket. That we actually did, and demonstrably still do have, a decent appraisal of the facts. 

Posts going back some time have spoke about fan ownership. Predominantly it's clear and present limitations. If under YOUR idyllic fan ownership model, we found ourselves following the Exeter model, you and your cronies would be the first raise your pitchforks at the mere whiff of relegation, brought about under the banner of sustainability. I can just hear your reaction to a model that will do it's best to achieve mid table L1 football. But every now and then in order to balance the books relegation is inevitable.

I believe that KT is far from the dream owner. I absolutely agree that he has a vested interest in the land. But I am very confident that you and a few others would accept anything except him. He's ignored you. And you and a few others don't like being ignored.

I could see the blood boiling and the gritted teeth of a few die hard  KT haters, when an employee of NTFC had the gall to stand up and say that she and her colleagues really like their boss. That they are happy. Something that I have stated repeatedly. I could see the haters wincing. 

You know as well as I do, that Sundays meeting was a well meant exploratory process aimed a gauging the fans perspective. But like it or not, it threw up a lot more questions than answers. It was very worth while. But equally it exposed a significant level of naivety within the Trust and the support. It only managed to attract around 2% of the fan base. And there was a clear 50/50 split in the room. So Trust aside, it managed to impact on around 80 supporters, sufficiently enough to give it a chance. 

Have you you scaled down your plans for the stadium, now you've accepted comfortable league one football?  Grin Grin Because I haven't. I still live in hope that one day we will attract some billionaire with a few quid to squander on the club I love. I know that sounds mad. I know it probably won't happen. But it is nowhere near as daft as some of the claptrap spouted by some on here.

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« Reply #426 on: March 12, 2019, 16:01:03 pm »

I find it strange that having listened to you banging on about championship football and how easy this would be to achieve with the good folk of Northants behind the club. That you have now scaled down your ambition to supporting a well led league one club  Grin  It would seem that regardless of all of the ridicule that has pursued your hair brained schemes around many avenues of social media, you remained oblivious to good old common sense. Yet one dose of reality on a Sunday afternoon in a Northampton hotel has brought you down to earth with a bump.

To the casual onlooker, it could well appear that you have tried to sell anything other than KT to all and sundry. But having been outed by some who have been there, done it, and got the T Shirt, you are now a convert to sleepy town football. When you hear clubs the size of Portsmouth stating the limitations of hybrid or fan owned models, it finally sinks in doesn't it?. What a shame it took so long, when I and many others were trying to tell you that we are not in KT's pocket. That we actually did, and demonstrably still do have, a decent appraisal of the facts. 

Posts going back some time have spoke about fan ownership. Predominantly it's clear and present limitations. If under YOUR idyllic fan ownership model, we found ourselves following the Exeter model, you and your cronies would be the first raise your pitchforks at the mere whiff of relegation, brought about under the banner of sustainability. I can just hear your reaction to a model that will do it's best to achieve mid table L1 football. But every now and then in order to balance the books relegation is inevitable.

I believe that KT is far from the dream owner. I absolutely agree that he has a vested interest in the land. But I am very confident that you and a few others would accept anything except him. He's ignored you. And you and a few others don't like being ignored.

I could see the blood boiling and the gritted teeth of a few die hard  KT haters, when an employee of NTFC had the gall to stand up and say that she and her colleagues really like their boss. That they are happy. Something that I have stated repeatedly. I could see the haters wincing. 

You know as well as I do, that Sundays meeting was a well meant exploratory process aimed a gauging the fans perspective. But like it or not, it threw up a lot more questions than answers. It was very worth while. But equally it exposed a significant level of naivety within the Trust and the support. It only managed to attract around 2% of the fan base. And there was a clear 50/50 split in the room. So Trust aside, it managed to impact on around 80 supporters, sufficiently enough to even listen about it. 

Have you you scaled down your plans for the stadium, now you've accepted comfortable league one football?  Grin Grin Because I haven't. I still live in hope that one day we will attract some billionaire with a few quid to squander on the club I love. I know that sounds mad. I know it probably won't happen. But it is nowhere near as daft as some of the claptrap spouted by some on here.


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« Reply #427 on: March 12, 2019, 16:39:49 pm »

I find it strange that having listened to you banging on about championship football and how easy this would be to achieve with the good folk of Northants behind the club. That you have now scaled down your ambition to supporting a well led league one club  Grin  It would seem that regardless of all of the ridicule that has pursued your hair brained schemes around many avenues of social media, you remained oblivious to good old common sense. Yet one dose of reality on a Sunday afternoon in a Northampton hotel has brought you down to earth with a bump.

To the casual onlooker, it could well appear that you have tried to sell anything other than KT to all and sundry. But having been outed by some who have been there, done it, and got the T Shirt, you are now a convert to sleepy town football. When you hear clubs the size of Portsmouth stating the limitations of hybrid or fan owned models, it finally sinks in doesn't it?. What a shame it took so long, when I and many others were trying to tell you that we are not in KT's pocket. That we actually did, and demonstrably still do have, a decent appraisal of the facts. 

Posts going back some time have spoke about fan ownership. Predominantly it's clear and present limitations. If under YOUR idyllic fan ownership model, we found ourselves following the Exeter model, you and your cronies would be the first raise your pitchforks at the mere whiff of relegation, brought about under the banner of sustainability. I can just hear your reaction to a model that will do it's best to achieve mid table L1 football. But every now and then in order to balance the books relegation is inevitable.

I believe that KT is far from the dream owner. I absolutely agree that he has a vested interest in the land. But I am very confident that you and a few others would accept anything except him. He's ignored you. And you and a few others don't like being ignored.

I could see the blood boiling and the gritted teeth of a few die hard  KT haters, when an employee of NTFC had the gall to stand up and say that she and her colleagues really like their boss. That they are happy. Something that I have stated repeatedly. I could see the haters wincing. 

You know as well as I do, that Sundays meeting was a well meant exploratory process aimed a gauging the fans perspective. But like it or not, it threw up a lot more questions than answers. It was very worth while. But equally it exposed a significant level of naivety within the Trust and the support. It only managed to attract around 2% of the fan base. And there was a clear 50/50 split in the room. So Trust aside, it managed to impact on around 80 supporters, sufficiently enough to give it a chance. 

Have you you scaled down your plans for the stadium, now you've accepted comfortable league one football?  Grin Grin Because I haven't. I still live in hope that one day we will attract some billionaire with a few quid to squander on the club I love. I know that sounds mad. I know it probably won't happen. But it is nowhere near as daft as some of the claptrap spouted by some on here.


Just had time to read the first 2 paragraphs as I hope to make the match from up London, 
Firstly my advocating us being a challenging league 1 club would suggest we are fighting for a top 6 place and not the other meaning of being difficult and annoying when dealing with other clubs😂😂

My crazy arsed schemes as to escape the suffocating   clutches of Thomas and co have yet to be be disproved as such and until its not acting on in favour of something better, it stands😉
Whiting took up on one of my past  ideas of selling ground naming rights to a large national company in order to fit the boces in the east, that was derided also, but fast forward a year and its welcome to the pmt stadium but without the frigging boxes😂😂.
Will read the rest later😚
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« Reply #428 on: March 12, 2019, 17:06:18 pm »


Will read the rest later😚

You better  Grin

I am at great pains to say that I think it is a workable option. But it will seem very much like a continuation of the last goodness knows how many years.
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« Reply #429 on: March 12, 2019, 17:20:32 pm »

Can someone point me towards a fan owned club which has achieved a top 6 finish in league 1?
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« Reply #430 on: March 12, 2019, 17:48:36 pm »

One of the things I've been told was that one of the panel members from Exeter said that the most important thing for them is sustainability above all else. If that means a relegation out of the football league then so be it.

How many of our fanbase would be happy with that happening to us?
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« Reply #431 on: March 12, 2019, 17:58:18 pm »

Can someone point me towards a fan owned club which has achieved a top 6 finish in league 1?
Something that Northampton Town have achieved ONCE in the last FIFTY SIX years of private ownership !
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« Reply #432 on: March 12, 2019, 18:17:56 pm »

Can someone point me towards a fan owned club which has achieved a top 6 finish in league 1?
can some point me to a fan owned club thats not progressed in 50 years?
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« Reply #433 on: March 12, 2019, 18:19:31 pm »

can some point me to a fan owned club thats not progressed in 50 years?
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Exeter....

I'm only joking  Grin
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« Reply #434 on: March 12, 2019, 18:24:27 pm »

One of the things I've been told was that one of the panel members from Exeter said that the most important thing for them is sustainability above all else. If that means a relegation out of the football league then so be it.

How many of our fanbase would be happy with that happening to us?
Both Cardoza and now Thomas sailed us close to the drop zone, so it's not really an option is it😂
If it was down to the towns folk to avoid the drop they would move heaven and earth, cardoza and Thomas not so.
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« Reply #435 on: March 12, 2019, 18:34:12 pm »

Something that Northampton Town have achieved ONCE in the last FIFTY SIX years of private ownership !

So what you’re saying is Private Ownership 1-0 Fan Ownership  Tongue

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« Reply #436 on: March 12, 2019, 18:36:10 pm »

can some point me to a fan owned club thats not progressed in 50 years?
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« Reply #437 on: March 12, 2019, 18:44:16 pm »

Rushden and Diamonds

two little village's,  had they reinvented themselves as Northants united, inviting our counties 700,000 to adopt them as their new club or alternative destination,  Cardoza and Thomas would be left in the slip stream.
Let's not assume all 'buisness men' are on the ball and are  'football men' We know their not🤣🤣
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« Reply #438 on: March 12, 2019, 18:52:26 pm »

two little village's,  had they reinvented themselves as Northants united, inviting our counties 700,000 to adopt them as their new club or alternative destination,  Cardoza and Thomas would be left in the slip stream.
Let's not assume all 'buisness men' are on the ball and are  'football men' We know their not🤣🤣
Ok, so you meant to provide an example that suits your agenda. Sorry my mistake
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« Reply #439 on: March 12, 2019, 19:32:49 pm »

I've been a Cobblers supporter for almost 50 years and the posts on here over the last few days make me so angry I almost want to give up....what on earth makes people so self righteous to be so aggressive towards other people's opinions?

The Trust deserve huge credit for organising a meeting with relevant speakers who set out a fascinating possible future...there is some confusion about the status of the separate report placed on people's chairs but at least someone cares enough to make the effort...

And how do people on here respond? Largely with sneers,  jeers and closed minds....this is the attitude that drove out local players for decades.....

The next accounts for the club are due out soon and I doubt enormously that they will show that the club makes a profit so it needs benefactors like it's current owners...so they and the Trust will need to work together on a brighter future for the club...

I find it incredibly sad that supporters of the Cobblers can talk to each other like they are on here....what would Brian Lomax say?

That separate report, as you put it is the most concerning thing for me. Not because of what's in it so much but that it was provided to all the people at the meeting without the Trust Board's apparent permission. The document has the Trust logo on it and is titled the same way as their press release about the public meeting.  All I want is for the Trust to be as best as it can be but this has been a massive own goal.

Imagine the uproar on here if this had happened to the club. Beds would be all over it!
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