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« Reply #440 on: March 12, 2019, 23:25:04 pm »

How much do Saints make off corporate boxes? How about Oxford? Reckon it'd be no more than £100k a year absolute max, which is barely a dent in the playing budget.

Given we're already operating at a loss, how can you not only offset that but generate the additional £1m a year itd take to sustain League One football?
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« Reply #441 on: March 12, 2019, 23:45:53 pm »

I can't speak for Oxford. But my company pay over £10k a year for a box at the Saints.
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« Reply #442 on: March 13, 2019, 07:37:58 am »

How much do Saints make off corporate boxes? How about Oxford? Reckon it'd be no more than £100k a year absolute max, which is barely a dent in the playing budget.

Given we're already operating at a loss, how can you not only offset that but generate the additional £1m a year itd take to sustain League One football?
We have lost over £1m in revenues this season by getting relegated to L2.
Sixfields in its present guise can not sustain L1 football and needs redevelopment.
We can keep going around in circles but that is a many time proven fact.
Also there's no such thing as 'just' £100,000 a year, that will pay for or the wage of a very decent striker, these boxes will  house those who are in more of a position to financially help our club etc.
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« Reply #443 on: March 13, 2019, 16:29:45 pm »

can some point me to a fan owned club thats not progressed in 50 years?
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« Reply #444 on: March 13, 2019, 17:03:47 pm »

Wrexham

The list goes on..

Like I said. The anti KT crowd had us basking in the black in the premiership within three seasons prior to Sunday. Now they're all massive advocates of a safe seat in league one...  Grin Grin

Beds will be content with his executive boxes on the Racecourse by the end of the week.  Grin
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« Reply #445 on: March 13, 2019, 17:39:36 pm »

A challenging league 1 club that can maximise on it earning potential,  thats all any of us want, had Thomas shown he could start to deliver a small resemblance of this, I would've backed him, but he did nothing but make excuse after excuse claiming frustration at possibly not getting all the free land he hoped for? and this continues wasting our time.
It's time for change, he's had long enough on the pot  Grin
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« Reply #446 on: March 13, 2019, 18:43:35 pm »

A challenging league 1 club that can maximise on it earning potential,  thats all any of us want, had Thomas shown he could start to deliver a small resemblance of this, I would've backed him, but he did nothing but make excuse after excuse claiming frustration at possibly not getting all the free land he hoped for? and this continues wasting our time.
It's time for change, he's had long enough on the pot  Grin

Come on mate, be honest. You know youíve toned it down an awful lot  Grin

Give a week or two, and youíll have Old Kelvsy back on ya Christmas card list.. Iíve heard that your search history has thrown up some scouting for Olive branches.  Cool  Tongue
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« Reply #447 on: March 13, 2019, 20:15:21 pm »

We have lost over £1m in revenues this season by getting relegated to L2.
Sixfields in its present guise can not sustain L1 football and needs redevelopment.
We can keep going around in circles but that is a many time proven fact.
Also there's no such thing as 'just' £100,000 a year, that will pay for or the wage of a very decent striker, these boxes will  house those who are in more of a position to financially help our club etc.

No, that £100k would stem the tide of the operating loss we already make. It would partially subsidise the amount a private owner already invests to keep the club above water. It doesn't automatically add an additional striker to the current playing budget.

If you want to high flying League One football, we'd need to increase the current revenue by a couple million minimum. Corporate boxes and a few thousand on the gates against big opposition doesn't get anywhere close to that. The numbers don't stack up for this supposed untapped potential that others are blind to take advantage of.

I like the idea of fan ownership in the sense it protects the clubs interest and gives some level of transparency. But it shouldn't be presented as an avenue to progress the club further. Realistically without external investment, there would be a lot less money available for the playing squad, and that's the price you pay. It's one or other, can't be both unless another 10k supporters suddenly materialise every match day.
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« Reply #448 on: March 13, 2019, 23:30:31 pm »

No, that £100k would stem the tide of the operating loss we already make. It would partially subsidise the amount a private owner already invests to keep the club above water. It doesn't automatically add an additional striker to the current playing budget.

If you want to high flying League One football, we'd need to increase the current revenue by a couple million minimum. Corporate boxes and a few thousand on the gates against big opposition doesn't get anywhere close to that. The numbers don't stack up for this supposed untapped potential that others are blind to take advantage of.

I like the idea of fan ownership in the sense it protects the clubs interest and gives some level of transparency. But it shouldn't be presented as an avenue to progress the club further. Realistically without external investment, there would be a lot less money available for the playing squad, and that's the price you pay. It's one or other, can't be both unless another 10k supporters suddenly materialise every match day.
You are refering to Sixfields as it is? If so yes, its absolute money drain that Thomas didn't address so now having to dig deeper than need be due to his neglect of duty.
A better equipped Sixfields attracts more income so elevates the need to prop up the shortfall.
An average of 8000 spectators  turning up at a 10/12000 capacity stadium would more than allow us to compete in league 1.
That's 8000 average,  are you suggesting we need 15000?
We dont for league 1.
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« Reply #449 on: March 13, 2019, 23:57:14 pm »

Really don't know why you think that 8000 will turn up simply because the ground is a little bit bigger. It's a winning team that will get them in. That is it.
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« Reply #450 on: March 14, 2019, 06:06:37 am »

Really don't know why you think that 8000 will turn up simply because the ground is a little bit bigger. It's a winning team that will get them in. That is it.
I think most of us have to accept that this is like talking to a mad relative who sits in the corner at Christmas arguing with the canary. You try to make conversation but after a time it becomes apparent itís just plain futile.
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« Reply #451 on: March 14, 2019, 12:15:49 pm »

Not sure how quickly the attendance would get to 8 without success but it would certainly go up.

Why is Cineworld often sold out whilst at Vue the same film at the same time is empty?

Those that currently don't go to every game want value and a decent seat, as I said before think about your own choice of seat, the centre and much of the West stand is sold out to season ticket holders. A bigger ground would have more central seats available, those are the ones most people want. More seats would allow more friends to sit together. The only way you can do that now is to sit in the crap seats, wide and front.

But then I don't understand why some of you don't understand that.

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« Reply #452 on: March 14, 2019, 12:45:44 pm »

Not sure how quickly the attendance would get to 8 without success but it would certainly go up.

Why is Cineworld often sold out whilst at Vue the same film at the same time is empty?

Those that currently don't go to every game want value and a decent seat, as I said before think about your own choice of seat, the centre and much of the West stand is sold out to season ticket holders. A bigger ground would have more central seats available, those are the ones most people want. More seats would allow more friends to sit together. The only way you can do that now is to sit in the crap seats, wide and front.

But then I don't understand why some of you don't understand that.



So even after what we heard on Sunday about how it is near on impossible to manage the debt with fan/hybrid membership. People are still suggesting that we spend millions on providing more seats for a better view..

Just forget it. Without a wealthy owner or the handing over of loads of land it won't happen..

But then I don't understand why some of you don't understand that.  Grin
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« Reply #453 on: March 14, 2019, 13:09:12 pm »



Why is Cineworld often sold out whilst at Vue the same film at the same time is empty?



Personally, I think Vue is a nicer, more comfortable cinema but I don't like the car park and can't be bothered faffing around with validating the parking ticket so I'll usually go to Cineworld, even though it's a bit further from my house.
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« Reply #454 on: March 14, 2019, 14:34:15 pm »

What was the official line on the document that was released in the end? Have the Trust clarified how it came into being and why it wasn't endorsed by the Trust Board?
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« Reply #455 on: March 14, 2019, 15:00:31 pm »

What was the official line on the document that was released in the end? Have the Trust clarified how it came into being and why it wasn't endorsed by the Trust Board?
Don't know but I saw Keith flick through the tactical bits of the document in the technical area on Tuesday night just before the late substitutions which led to the goal.
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« Reply #456 on: March 14, 2019, 15:27:40 pm »

What was the official line on the document that was released in the end? Have the Trust clarified how it came into being and why it wasn't endorsed by the Trust Board?

Good question. Also, what's happened to Meccano? There's not been a peep from him since the meeting. Has he gone into hiding or have the Trust taken him on a one way trip to the Peterborough fens....?
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« Reply #457 on: March 14, 2019, 15:30:11 pm »

Don't know but I saw Keith flick through the tactical bits of the document in the technical area on Tuesday night just before the late substitutions which led to the goal.

 Grin

I did notice the club had a sly dig at the document when they tweeted the footage of Powell's goal as well. Clearly been seen within the club, no doubt it will have rattled a few cages. I'm sure a lot of people will have a view on whether that is good or bad!
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« Reply #458 on: March 14, 2019, 17:58:55 pm »

So even after what we heard on Sunday about how it is near on impossible to manage the debt with fan/hybrid membership. People are still suggesting that we spend millions on providing more seats for a better view..

Just forget it. Without a wealthy owner or the handing over of loads of land it won't happen..

But then I don't understand why some of you don't understand that.  Grin
Didn't being associated with our club allow Thomas and co access to loads of land?
That hasn't paid any dividends to date😂
It's very unlikely a multi millionaire will turn up and pour endless amounts of cash into our club in its present state, so we need to stop looking and using it for an excuse to continue with our stagnation.
Without anyone  knowing what the fan owned/hybrid club actually looks like, you cant  know for sure it couldn't raise  the £1m investment needed to fit out the East stand as a first stage development plan,  then proceed at a later date to in some way raise £1.5m to up the ground capacity by 3000  allowing us to welcome extra home and the many visiting fans we currently miss out on, to a more professional atmospheric looking stadium, preferably as a league 1 club.
£2.5m raised over a 3 year period by the many different ways available would see our club become League 1 ready and in a position to maximise on its earning potential.
After these past 4 seasons,  its quite clear Thomas hasn't any plans for our club, hopefully he can find something else to occupy his time, allowing ntfc to move on as a more progressive club with plans.


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« Reply #459 on: March 14, 2019, 19:46:10 pm »

Didn't being associated with our club allow Thomas and co access to loads of land?
That hasn't paid any dividends to date😂
It's very unlikely a multi millionaire will turn up and pour endless amounts of cash into our club in its present state, so we need to stop looking and using it for an excuse to continue with our stagnation.
Without anyone  knowing what the fan owned/hybrid club actually looks like, you cant  know for sure it couldn't raise  the £1m investment needed to fit out the East stand as a first stage development plan,  then proceed at a later date to in some way raise £1.5m to up the ground capacity by 3000  allowing us to welcome extra home and the many visiting fans we currently miss out on, to a more professional atmospheric looking stadium, preferably as a league 1 club.
£2.5m raised over a 3 year period by the many different ways available would see our club become League 1 ready and in a position to maximise on its earning potential.
After these past 4 seasons,  its quite clear Thomas hasn't any plans for our club, hopefully he can find something else to occupy his time, allowing ntfc to move on as a more progressive club with plans.


   

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