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« Reply #460 on: March 15, 2019, 13:26:59 pm »

Nothing's been built yet..  Grin

As for the raising of money through fan ownership/hybrid model. Portsmouth couldn't do it in a football obsessed City, with sixteen thousand season ticket holders and eight thousand Trust members. I can see why you think it's a goer..  Grin Roll Eyes

I know you are going to have to admit that you and your mates screwed up.. But c'mon. You know you want to. You're just prolonging the agony before you join the sensible side. We'd love to have you back in the fold mate.  Tongue
And I would be very surprised if we ever see as much as a garden shed with this lot😂
Portsmouth fans steadied the ship and became an attractive proposition, gaining some hefty
investment, so mission accomplished,  and good luck to them.
By the trust investigating an alternative to the near 20 years  of Thomas's and cardozas stifling regimes , with false promises and the blaming of all others for their inactivity, Im 100% behind the trust.
As for the sensible side of things,😂😂 if Thomas were to get his 5hit together even in this 11th hour, and proposes a real working plan as to getting our club off its knees, I would, return with head bowed, cap clutched in both hands to get on board with it! But that ain't happening anytime ever😂
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« Reply #461 on: March 15, 2019, 13:41:43 pm »

Does anyone really think that KT will build anything, he WON'T, it is so obvious

The club is mothballed whilst KT gets planning permission on the other land. Even if and when that happens KT will not invest one penny more than he absolutely has to into Sixfields. The broken windows in the West stand again point to the old days of DC, KT is no different.

I understand that KT offered the Trust the club for £3m, next week offered it to someone else for £2m, there are wealthy Northampton business people waiting but they are not going to give KT another £2m, adding to the reported £6m for a club he paid £165k for, a club with little value or asset

Now you so called fans can be happy supporting highly secretive owners who have been unscrupulous at best in their dealing with the Trust and NBC , who have done nothing but keep the status quo from the former legend of an idiot owner DC, who have produced no plans, no ideas and no vision for NTFC or call for a change. Give someone else a chance, perhaps Mike Ashley ?  He would be adored and worshipped here unlike those ungrateful Toon army who constantly demand him to leave their beloved club
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« Reply #462 on: March 15, 2019, 13:52:03 pm »

Does anyone really think that KT will build anything, he WON'T, it is so obvious

The club is mothballed whilst KT gets planning permission on the other land. Even if and when that happens KT will not invest one penny more than he absolutely has to into Sixfields. The broken windows in the West stand again point to the old days of DC, KT is no different.

I understand that KT offered the Trust the club for £3m, next week offered it to someone else for £2m, there are wealthy Northampton business people waiting but they are not going to give KT another £2m, adding to the reported £6m for a club he paid £165k for, a club with little value or asset

Now you so called fans can be happy supporting highly secretive owners who have been unscrupulous at best in their dealing with the Trust and NBC , who have done nothing but keep the status quo from the former legend of an idiot owner DC, who have produced no plans, no ideas and no vision for NTFC or call for a change. Give someone else a chance, perhaps Mike Ashley ?  He would be adored and worshipped here unlike those ungrateful Toon army who constantly demand him to leave their beloved club

Is it?

Will he not?  Isn't he?

Did he?

Hasn't he? Would he?

Some bold statements there...
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« Reply #463 on: March 15, 2019, 14:28:00 pm »

Random, are these figures youre quoting 100% correct ? Or have you just heard them from a man down the pub ?
As for being completely open and not keeping secrets, maybe the Trust can be more open, if they were offered the Club, why was it kept from the Supporters they repersresent ? Why have they still not been told officially ? When the Trust decided to apply to have the Stadium as a community asset, did they consult with the fans they represent ? When the Trust decided to pursue the Fan Ownership route did they Consult with the Fans first ? Every thing that the Trust seem to be doing now they are putting it to the fans as the way they want things done ,without consulting with the fans first. So before people start accusing the Club of keeping to many secrets, maybe they should be asking the organisation that is there for the supporters exactly why they are so secretive.
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« Reply #464 on: March 15, 2019, 15:30:19 pm »

Why have the articles regarding the Public Meeting only appearing this afternoon on the Trust website, despite stating that they were posted on the dates below?

8th March - http://ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/chairmans-personal-view
10th March - http://ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/good-feedback-from-public-meeting
11th March - http://ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/review-of-trust-public-meeting-on-community-ownership

Is there an official copy on-line of the pre-meeting leaflet that caused all of the initial kerfuffle?
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« Reply #465 on: March 15, 2019, 16:14:16 pm »

Is it?  YES  3.5 years of nothing but waffle and broken promises, there is not one piece of actual evidence to even indicate that KT will develop Sixfields

Will he not?  Isn't he?   He hasn't so far (sorry £3 for hammer to knock in bog door)  Just like DC, same staff, Sixfields looking more tired every month, broken windows not fixed points to a Not Proud to Be

Did he?   Yes as I heard it from reliable sources

Hasn't he? Would he?  Show me the plans then as I must have missed them, well as he has put £100's M and they are in the Prem with a quality manager, compared to the love and support that KT who has had us relegated and treading water in LEAGUE 2 then I would think 1/100th of the investment would be very welcome

Some bold statements there...    well someone has to say it !
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« Reply #466 on: March 15, 2019, 16:31:53 pm »

Hi Tcobb, heard them from very reliable sources

Yes i agree that the Trust have been way too secretive and timid of the years however I just listened to the podcast and how can they say that the secrecy surrounding almost every deal KT has done since he got, with the fact that the club is owned via off shore investment vehicles etc be the same as the Trust not stating publicly who they have had money / investment conversations with.

Again most fans don't care about anything off the field, so what would be gained asking re the community asset?  The Trust actually did exactly what you asked re fan ownership, they held a public meeting to consult with the fans, what exactly (and how) do you want them to do?  How can they ask individual fans what they want, and again almost either dont care or don't understand anyway. Look you misinterpret what the meeting was for so how on earth are they supposed to explain every single thing and get an approval on something. Look at all the uproar re the document, it was too detailed and too ambitious, it flew in the face of simple NTFC fans who lap up crappy signing after crappy signing, we no thought as to why all these managers and players keep failing.

As you know my opinion is that NTFC and the people of Northampton should be able to run our football club in at the very very very least on an equal basis as either KT or DC.  There is money there, money to at least get us to a medium and long term plan to be the best football we can be. If Andy Holt and Accrington can do it then why the hell can't we.

I would love the Trust to put together with investors a real plan and a very public offer to KT (try private 1st if you want) to force his hand and tell him we are sick of waiting and of the total mediocrity surrounding our club.

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« Reply #467 on: March 15, 2019, 17:09:05 pm »


Yep, I get the current business model doesn’t serve an ideal purpose. The club has not progressed for the last 50 years and probably won’t for the next 50 either unless something radical takes place? I also can’t see the current owners investing in any significant development of the infrastructure for the reasons I have previously stated. The good news is that you will have no doubt noted that fan ownership is being investigated hence the title of the thread. I am not seeing much enthusiastic support for the current owners so Im sure everyone is delighted that there is now a concerted effort to engage in serious debate about how change can be achieved? I just think that most people are a little tired of being lectured about what we should be doing without having any sensible and realistic suggestions regarding how this can be achieved to support it? Personally it doesn’t bother me much, as I dont take your rants too seriously. However, I do note that some people do tend to get switched off the idea of the debate by your approach as there is an suggestion of “the lunatics taking over the asylum” attached to some of the rhetoric on here. I’ve said it before but the irony is that some inadvertently promote the continuation of the status quo with their unbalanced and irrational comments that often cloud any valid points, and I would put yourself right at the forefront of that collective. Perhaps despite your apparent limitations you may be able to take this into consideration?
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« Reply #468 on: March 15, 2019, 17:32:05 pm »

Random, are these figures youre quoting 100% correct ? Or have you just heard them from a man down the pub ?
As for being completely open and not keeping secrets, maybe the Trust can be more open, if they were offered the Club, why was it kept from the Supporters they repersresent ? Why have they still not been told officially ? When the Trust decided to apply to have the Stadium as a community asset, did they consult with the fans they represent ? When the Trust decided to pursue the Fan Ownership route did they Consult with the Fans first ? Every thing that the Trust seem to be doing now they are putting it to the fans as the way they want things done ,without consulting with the fans first. So before people start accusing the Club of keeping to many secrets, maybe they should be asking the organisation that is there for the supporters exactly why they are so secretive.
Let's look at the opposing side for secretive behavioural traits , Thomas and co, £4m on the hip ready to build up the ship, who were just a few months away from getting started on the East stand, 2 years ago!
Thankfully the council didnt grant then the freedom of the city that entitled them to £10m of free real estate so having just £6m can no longer afford to give a single penny to the clubs redevelopment.
This may be all total bollo cks, but it's what I believe 😂
And as always will be happy to stand corrected and appolgise to anyone suffering hurty feelings.. Go..

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« Reply #469 on: March 15, 2019, 18:32:13 pm »

As this has now turned into another redevelopment thread.. Carry it on there.
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